BB: Pool B

[Ralph Turner]

Lesley is adding baseball in 2011.  That should move the NECC out of Pool B into Pool A.  Look who is left for the projected 2 Pool B bids.  Whether the WIAC maintains its bid in baseball with the UW-Lacrosse team is still "up-in-the-air".  If 6 Pool B WIAC schools moved to Pool B, we would need to see what the Access Ratio is to determine the number of Pool B teams.

There is much consolidation among the conferences and independents.  The GSAC announced an affiliation with the USA South in 2010-11.  Let's project the teams in Pool B in 2011.

Here is the link for the FAQ on national playoff criteria for Pool B teams.

For the 2011 season, the 29 22 Pool B teams are listed by region:

Central Region:  (3)
Univ. of Chicago (Independent)
Nebraska Wesleyan
Washington U St Louis (UAA)

Mid-Atlantic:  (1)
Lancaster Bible (new full member that year.  The CSAC can use another baseball member.)
(Landmark Conference moves to Pool A in 2010)

Mideast:  (2)
Case Western Reserve (UAA)
Finlandia

Midwest:  (0 -- UMAC moves to Pool A in 2011)
(North Central MN has repeated year-3 in the provisional process in 2008-09, and due to become a full member that year.  Let's watch that.)

New England:  (7  1)
Brandeis (UAA)

Becker (NECC)
Daniel Webster (NECC)
Elms (NECC)
U Maine-Presque Isle
Mitchell (NECC)
Newbury (NECC)
Southern Vermont (NECC)
Lesley (NECC)

New York:  (10  9)

Baruch (CUNYAC)
City College of New York  (CUNYAC)
Ithaca (E8)
John Jay (CUNYAC)
Lehman  (CUNYAC)
Rochester Institute of Technology (E8)  (EDIT: Going to the LL in 2011-12. June 11, 2009)
St John Fisher (E8)
College of Staten Island (CUNYAC)
Stevens Tech (E8)
Utica (E8)

South:  (2)

Emory (UAA)
Rust

(Captial AC moved to Pool A in 2010)
(GSAC and USA South affiliate in 2011.)

West:  ( 4 )

Chapman
Univ of Dallas
Menlo
LaSierra is scheduled to become a full member in 2010-11
(CSU-East Bay left for D-2 in 2010)

I count 29  22 teams in Pool B.  Depending on the Access Ratio, which was 1:8.65 this year, then 22 teams is 2 Pool B bids.

[CrashDavisD3]

FOR 2010 What does it look like for # of Pool B Bids.....

[Ralph Turner]

Okay Crash, let me give it a guesstimate.  I will take the 2009 list and project 2010.

This topic is to discuss the Pool B teams for the playoffs.

Here is the link for the FAQ on national playoff criteria for 52 Pool B teams.

For the 2009 season, the 52 Pool B teams are listed by region:

Central Region:  (3)
Univ. of Chicago
Nebraska Wesleyan
Washington U St Louis (UAA)

Mid-Atlantic:  (5 0)  Landmark should get full Pool A status in 2009-10.
Drew (LAND)
Juniata (LAND)
Moravian (LAND)
Scranton (LAND)
Susquehanna (LAND)

Mideast:  (2)
Case Western Reserve (UAA)
Finlandia

Midwest:  (8 -- all UMAC)  UMAC anticipates full member conference status in 2010-11.
Bethany Lutheran
College of St Scholastica
Crown
Martin Luther
MN-Morris
Northland
Northwestern
Presentation (becomes a full member in 2009-10)

New England:  (8 )
Becker (NECC)
Brandeis (UAA)
Daniel Webster (NECC)
Elms (NECC)
U Maine-Presque Isle
Mitchell (NECC)    (becomes a full member in 2009-10)
Newbury (NECC)
Southern Vermont (NECC)

New York:  (11  10)

Baruch (CUNYAC)
City College of New York  (CUNYAC)
Ithaca (E8)
John Jay (CUNYAC)
Lehman  (CUNYAC)
Rochester Institute of Technology (E8) (Moves to the LL in 2011-12)
St John Fisher (E8)
College of Staten Island (CUNYAC)
Stevens Tech (E8)
US Merchant Marine Acadmey (LAND)
Utica (E8)

South:  (  13  6 )  Capital should get its Pool A status in 2010 for baseball.

Catholic (LAND)
Emory (UAA)
Gallaudet (CAC) Anticipating its move to the NEAC in 2010-11.
Huntingdon (GSAC)
LaGrange (GSAC)
Mary Washington (CAC)
Maryville (GSAC)
Piedmont (GSAC)
Rust
St Mary's MD (CAC)
Salisbury (CAC)
Stevenson (CAC)
Wesley (CAC)
York PA (CAC)

West:  ( 3  )

Chapman
CSU-East Bay Moves to D-II in 2010-11
Univ of Dallas
Menlo

EDIT:  Menlo added to the list when confirmed by Menlo Coach Matt Daily.

I think that there will be 40 Pool B teams, which will give 4 Pool B bids.

[Ralph Turner]

The GSAC-4 are presumed to be USA South affiliates in 2010-11.


http://www.thedailytimes.com/article/20090528/SPORTS/305289987


EDIT:  Merger talks between the USA South and the GSAC disbanded in late summer 2009.

[OshDude]

I think that there will be 40 Pool B teams, which will give 4 Pool B bids.

Chapman, Ithaca, St. Scholastica and _________. Just a hunch ...

[RSSmith]

I think that there will be 40 Pool B teams, which will give 4 Pool B bids.

Chapman, Ithaca, St. Scholastica and _________. Just a hunch ...

. . . and Wash U (St. Louis) who didn't lose much to graduation except for field general Andy Webb.

[Jim Dixon]

I think that an association with GSAC will benefit all.  I see Shenandoah moving out of the USA South for the ODAC or a Mid-Atlantic conference in future years

[BigPoppa]

If the WIAC moves to Pool B I can see them earning multiple Pool B Bids in some years.

[Bob Maxwell]

Its amazing what one move by a single school can do to the entire picture...  Pool B bids will go to teams from the WIAC if they fall to six teams.  That will impact a lot of teams in other areas. 

[Ralph Turner]

If the WIAC moves to Pool B I can see them earning multiple Pool B Bids in some years.

Its amazing what one move by a single school can do to the entire picture...  Pool B bids will go to teams from the WIAC if they fall to six teams.  That will impact a lot of teams in other areas. 

As I projected above, I think there will only be  about 26 Pool B teams from which there will be 3 bids to give in 2012.

Imagine...

Ithaca, Chapman, WIAC, #1 WIAC #2, Emory, Wash StL ...

Which three of the six do you want?

My advice to the CUNYAC schools is to get out of Pool B as fast as you can if you want a playoff bid.

[BigPoppa]

Ithaca, Chapman, WIAC, #1 WIAC #2, Emory, Wash StL ...

WOW! Not to mention St. Scholastica... Pool Bs would be a brutal fight and spill into the Pool Cs, knocking a lower tier Pool C team or two out.

[Ralph Turner]

Ithaca, Chapman, WIAC, #1 WIAC #2, Emory, Wash StL ...

WOW! Not to mention St. Scholastica... Pool Bs would be a brutal fight and spill into the Pool Cs, knocking a lower tier Pool C team or two out.

Remember.  St Scholastica will be Pool A in 2012. 

[Bob Maxwell]

Excuse me for being a little fuzzy on this... several construction projects in our faciliites here at work so haven't stayed up to date...  but isn't Ithaca planning on joining the Liberty League in a couple of years too?  That would move then into pool A.

[Ralph Turner]

Excuse me for being a little fuzzy on this... several construction projects in our faciliites here at work so haven't stayed up to date...  but isn't Ithaca planning on joining the Liberty League in a couple of years too?  That would move then into pool A.

Everything that I read on the LL board said that Ithaca was not invited; only Bard (yes Bard) and RIT.

[infielddad]

Baseball America is reporting today that Centenary is dropping from DI to DIII in all sports by 2011.
With their location in Louisiana, it would appear they could be a future Pool B independent.  Conference affiliations would be limited to the ASC and SCAC.
I am not that familiar with their academic status but I guess if DePauw were to leave the SCAC as I saw being discussed, Centenary could be a replacement?