BB: Pool B

[RSSmith]

Any predictions on the 4 Pool B teams

St. Scholastica
Chapman
??
??

Tried to spot all the Pool B teams with .500 records.

Team                        Regional
                                       record   W%   OWP   OOWPSOS

61 St. Scholastica           25-4    .862   .548   .492   .529
33 Chapman                   23-4    .852   .562   .514   .546

336 Bethany Lutheran   24-8    .750   .424   .508   .452
344 Staten Island           28-10   .737   .416   .459   .430
126 Ithaca                   13-5     .722   .521   .567   .536
114 St. John Fisher      25-11   .694   .525   .537   .529
78 Huntingdon                   20-11   .645   .541   .522   .535

354 Mitchell                   14-9    .609   .393   .443   .410
175 Menlo                   16-12   .571   .507   .500   .505
108 Case Western       22-17   .564   .526   .522   .525
221 Chicago                  13-11   .542   .493   .504   .497
174 St. Joseph's (L.I.)   17-15   .531   .507   .497   .504

St. Scholastica, Chapman are locks.

Bethany Lutheran, Staten Island, Ithaca, St. John Fisher, Huntingdon are in the hunt for two slots

The NCAA seems to like LaGrange (24-16).

[Ralph Turner]

I am remiss in not notifying the powers that be that the GSAC did not notify us (D3baseball.com) of their post-season tourney for inclusion on the team pages.  LaGrange won the tourney with a record of 3-0.  All games were in-region.

[d3baseballnut]

I am remiss in not notifying the powers that be that the GSAC did not notify us (D3baseball.com) of their post-season tourney for inclusion on the team pages.  LaGrange won the tourney with a record of 3-0.  All games were in-region.

my last two spots would come down to Staten Island, St John Fisher, and Huntington, in no particular order.....LaGrange is not on the map for me....but if the committee demands to take LaGrange over Huntington because they won the GSAC over Huntington, then I would go with Staten Island and St. John Fisher.

I just cant seetaking  La Grange over t hem

[CrashDavisD3]

I am remiss in not notifying the powers that be that the GSAC did not notify us (D3baseball.com) of their post-season tourney for inclusion on the team pages.  LaGrange won the tourney with a record of 3-0.  All games were in-region.

my last two spots would come down to Staten Island, St John Fisher, and Huntington, in no particular order.....LaGrange is not on the map for me....but if the committee demands to take LaGrange over Huntington because they won the GSAC over Huntington, then I would go with Staten Island and St. John Fisher.

I just cant seetaking  La Grange over t hem

POOL B IMPACT GAMES TODAY
April 25  1:00 PM/4:00 PM  Ithaca at St. John Fisher (DH)     
   

[CrashDavisD3]

Team as of 5/2       REGION  Win %   OWP   OOWP   SOS
61 St. Scholastica   25-4    0.862     0.548    0.492    0.529
33 Chapman      23-4   0.852   0.562   0.514   0.546
336 Bethany Lutheran   24-8   0.750   0.424   0.508   0.452
344 Staten Island   28-10   0.737   0.416   0.459   0.430
349 Presentation   16-6   0.727   0.408   0.469   0.428
126 Ithaca      13-5   0.722   0.521   0.567   0.536
114 St. John Fisher   25-11   0.694   0.525   0.537   0.529
219 Maryville (Tenn.)   21-11   0.656   0.493   0.518   0.501
78 Huntingdon      20-11   0.645   0.541   0.522   0.535
165 LaGrange      21-16   0.568   0.509   0.535   0.518

[BigPoppa]

I like the Pool Bs:

1. Chapman
2. St. Scholastica
3. Ithaca
4. Huntingdon

[CrashDavisD3]

I like the Pool Bs:

1. Chapman
2. St. Scholastica
3. Ithaca
4. Huntingdon

I understand your 1,2,3 choices...What is the thought process for 4. I dont disagree just not sure how that choice was made over the others.

[BigPoppa]

I chose Huntingdon because most of the other records are quite similar in terms of winning percentage (with the exception of Presentation who has a terrible SoS). With most records similar, I figured that SOS was the next best way to figure it out.

I have no idea of what the NCAA will do, but I think they may lean my way a bit on this one. Ithaca has a solid SoS that will help them when all is said and done... same with Huntingdon.

[Pat Coleman]

Updated SOS through Tuesday posted. These are the ones the next regional rankings would be based on.

http://www.d3baseball.com/notables/2010/04/21/strength-of-schedule-ratings.html

[JohnnyU]

The below rankings are based on a RPI calculation, which is typically .25*Win%+.75*SOS. The top few are not surprising, but regionally ranked LaGrange and Staten Island are much lower than they must be in the eyes of the NCAA. So that means this stat is probably useless, but oh well.

1. Chapman   0.6225
2. St. Scholastica   0.60875
3. Ithaca   0.584
4. St. John Fisher   0.573
5. Huntingdon   0.56225
6. Maryville (Tenn.)   0.54
7. Case Western Reserve   0.533
8. LaGrange     0.53025
9. Piedmont        0.52925
10. Washington U.     0.529
11. Staten Island   0.5095
12. Bethany Lutheran   0.52525

[CrashDavisD3]

The below rankings are based on a RPI calculation, which is typically .25*Win%+.75*SOS. The top few are not surprising, but regionally ranked LaGrange and Staten Island are much lower than they must be in the eyes of the NCAA. So that means this stat is probably useless, but oh well.

1. Chapman   0.6225
2. St. Scholastica   0.60875
3. Ithaca   0.584
4. St. John Fisher   0.573
5. Huntingdon   0.56225
6. Maryville (Tenn.)   0.54
7. Case Western Reserve   0.533
8. LaGrange     0.53025
9. Piedmont        0.52925
10. Washington U.     0.529
11. Staten Island   0.5095
12. Bethany Lutheran   0.52525

Ithaca splits 2 games with St. John Fisher.today. Their overall record is just above .500 at 16-15. I know only in region games count but  St. John Fisher has a better record @ 28-12 overall and 12-4 in the Empire 8 Conference.

[ADL70]

Case Western Reserve has two wins that don't count as in region, because the NCAA software must have Mount Aloysius (Cresson PA) just over 200 miles away.  I found software that puts it at 195 miles.  Yet the loss to LaGrange, 725 miles away, is in region.

I have agued before that the use of the adminstrative regions renders the concept of "in region" meaningless.  What possible value is supported by a distinction that allows for such a discrepancy?

I understand that this suggestion would be difficult to set up, but why not a concept of "in region" that begins with each campus and extends outward in a an ever enlarging circle until each school has a region that contains the same number of potential opponents (one-eighth of the total number of eligible schools fot the sports with eight regions?)?  I recognize that that might render a game in-region for one of the teams but not the other, but I could live with that discrepancy or with counting that in-region for both teams as an exception.  And the conference game exception would also be logical to continue.

But I'd be even happier if the distinction was done away with entirely.  It seems to be a idea that sounded good in theory, but didn't work out well in practice.

Even with those wins, the Spartans would still likely be outside looking in for Pool B and since the regular season ended two weeks ago, I believe they have ceased practicing.  But it was the best season in the nearly 40 years since  Case and Western Reserve teams were merged.  And they will have back eight full-time position players who hit over .300 and the entire pitching staff. 

[Ralph Turner]

Three responses...

Case Western Reserve has two wins that don't count as in region, because the NCAA software must have Mount Aloysius (Cresson PA) just over 200 miles away.  I found software that puts it at 195 miles.  Yet the loss to LaGrange, 725 miles away, is in region.

Official NCAA software has Mount Aloysius at 202.0 miles

https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles

I have argued before that the use of the administrative regions renders the concept of "in region" meaningless.  What possible value is supported by a distinction that allows for such a discrepancy?

NY and PA are in Administrative Region #2

OH and GA are in Administrative Region #3

The Administrative Regions allow teams to determine if they want to play an in-region game or not.  Two hundred miles is beyond the range that the NCAA deems "too far" for routine games.  If Case doesn't want to play an in-region game, they can play Johns Hopkins.

I understand that this suggestion would be difficult to set up, but why not a concept of "in region" that begins with each campus and extends outward in a an ever enlarging circle until each school has a region that contains the same number of potential opponents (one-eighth of the total number of eligible schools fot the sports with eight regions?)?  I recognize that that might render a game in-region for one of the teams but not the other, but I could live with that discrepancy or with counting that in-region for both teams as an exception.  And the conference game exception would also be logical to continue.

CWRU (Administrative Region #3) has access to all of the teams in these states:  OH, MI, IN, KY, TN, AR, LA, MI, AL, GA (Emory), FL, SC, NC, VA, WV.  That works out to about 60-65 teams in D-3.

But I'd be even happier if the distinction was done away with entirely.  It seems to be a idea that sounded good in theory, but didn't work out well in practice.

Even with those wins, the Spartans would still likely be outside looking in for Pool B and since the regular season ended two weeks ago, I believe they have ceased practicing.  But it was the best season in the nearly 40 years since  Case and Western Reserve teams were merged.  And they will have back eight full-time position players who hit over .300 and the entire pitching staff.  

[AlleyCat]

I believe that if the NCAA picks Ithaca over St John Fisher for the NY Pool B, if NY gets one, would be a farse. St John Fisher has shown they deserve to be in and Ithaca has not. Remember, they are 16-15 and have played a NY schedule that only incluse 18 games. If that in fact happens the NCAA should be ashamed and the whole system will need a hard look.

Ithaca has a great history, but they still need to do it on the field like everyone else. They have not this year.


Just my thoughts....

[Pat Coleman]

New regional rankings posted:
http://www.d3sports.com/dailydose/2010/05/06/second-2010-ncaa-regional-rankings/