BB: Pool B

[JohnnyU]

I'll have my predictions for regional rankings and the numbers for everyone, including Chapman, Wednesday. As is always the case, I think SOS is being somewhat undervalued by people here. I believe Chapman has a shot to be regionally ranked based on their numbers but they still would be a long shot either Pool B or C. Do we know which they are eligible for?

[tigerfan_2001]

I'll have my predictions for regional rankings and the numbers for everyone, including Chapman, Wednesday. As is always the case, I think SOS is being somewhat undervalued by people here. I believe Chapman has a shot to be regionally ranked based on their numbers but they still would be a long shot either Pool B or C. Do we know which they are eligible for?

The manual lists them as a Pool B, but several posters have said they are Pool C.  Hard to believe they could be regionally ranked with a 16-19 record....

[CrashDavisD3]

I'll have my predictions for regional rankings and the numbers for everyone, including Chapman, Wednesday. As is always the case, I think SOS is being somewhat undervalued by people here. I believe Chapman has a shot to be regionally ranked based on their numbers but they still would be a long shot either Pool B or C. Do we know which they are eligible for?

The manual lists them as a Pool B, but several posters have said they are Pool C.  Hard to believe they could be regionally ranked with a 16-19 record....

I would be shocked also BUT overall W-L had little to do with Regionally ranking but In Region winning percentage with SOS are very important factors. Chapman in Region Record is now 13-12 .520 %

Chapman has ZERO chance in my opinion of getting a bid Pool B or Pool C since MANY teams outside the West Region have better in region winning percentages and good enough SOS to get in. I see at least one team outside the West Region getting into the West Regional since both Linfield and Chapman will not be going in 2012 and the rest of the region is weak in 2012 with weak SOS also.  But Chapman has beat #1 SCAC Trinity and #1 SCIAC La Verne both. Chapman has 12 losses by 2 runs or less and 9 of those by 1 run.

[El Hombre]

I'll have my predictions for regional rankings and the numbers for everyone, including Chapman, Wednesday. As is always the case, I think SOS is being somewhat undervalued by people here. I believe Chapman has a shot to be regionally ranked based on their numbers but they still would be a long shot either Pool B or C. Do we know which they are eligible for?

JohnnyU -
Thanks!  I think everyone will be interested in your updated rankings. 

Regarding Chapman, in the past they received bids with "in-region" records as low as 15 - 11.  I'm sure they were rewarded with opting to play such difficult schedules.  And they undoubtedly have the highest SOS in the West this year.   Based on your last RPI rankings for the West (dated April 14), Chapman was ranked third.  They won 5 more West Region games since then, including two versus Linfield.  And they have 4 more West Region games left this year.  Thus, it will be interesting to see your updated rankings . . .

[Ralph Turner]

I'll have my predictions for regional rankings and the numbers for everyone, including Chapman, Wednesday. As is always the case, I think SOS is being somewhat undervalued by people here. I believe Chapman has a shot to be regionally ranked based on their numbers but they still would be a long shot either Pool B or C. Do we know which they are eligible for?

JohnnyU -
Thanks!  I think everyone will be interested in your updated rankings. 

Regarding Chapman, in the past they received bids with "in-region" records as low as 15 - 11.  I'm sure they were rewarded with opting to play such difficult schedules.  And they undoubtedly have the highest SOS in the West this year.   Based on your last RPI rankings for the West (dated April 14), Chapman was ranked third.  They won 5 more West Region games since then, including two versus Linfield.  And they have 4 more West Region games left this year.  Thus, it will be interesting to see your updated rankings . . .

The 15-11 record included plenty of teams that had regional rankings.

[Whatagame]

I'll have my predictions for regional rankings and the numbers for everyone, including Chapman, Wednesday. As is always the case, I think SOS is being somewhat undervalued by people here. I believe Chapman has a shot to be regionally ranked based on their numbers but they still would be a long shot either Pool B or C. Do we know which they are eligible for?

The manual lists them as a Pool B, but several posters have said they are Pool C.  Hard to believe they could be regionally ranked with a 16-19 record....

I would be shocked also BUT overall W-L had little to do with Regionally ranking but In Region winning percentage with SOS are very important factors. Chapman in Region Record is now 13-12 .520 %

Chapman has ZERO chance in my opinion of getting a bid Pool B or Pool C since MANY teams outside the West Region have better in region winning percentages and good enough SOS to get in. I see at least one team outside the West Region getting into the West Regional since both Linfield and Chapman will not be going in 2012 and the rest of the region is weak in 2012 with weak SOS also.  But Chapman has beat #1 SCAC Trinity and #1 SCIAC La Verne both. Chapman has 12 losses by 2 runs or less and 9 of those by 1 run.

Crash:

My thought is, if Chapman somehow got a bid, they are a team NO ONE wants to face based on their pitching.  However, their offense and defense are serious concerns for any tiny post season hopes they have this year, and for next season in general.....

I saw the 3 game Whitman series, and although the scores looked lopsided, there should be some concerns for Chapman fans.  Game one, Rauh pitching, a win obviously.  Game two, Whitman Frosh starter, Chapman scores  7 in the 2nd inning, after a 1 out infield error with no one on, then a collection of doinks, infield seeing eye grounders and a couple liner shots for 4 unearned.  Then, they are shutout the remainder of the game.  It could have easily been 0 - 0 heading into the 9th against a team with 5 total wins on the season.  I give them credit for taking full advantage for the opening they were given.

Game three, another frosh starter, making his 2nd start of season, him and a reliever hold Chapman to a 3 runs through 7 innings, then it got ugly in the 8th.  Chapman made multiple errors on the left side of the infield, and several base running gaffes that a team besides Whitman would have turned into losses for Chapman.

Chapman needs an influx of Freshman hitting/fielding talent in order to replace senior talent and regain national championship strength next year, IMO.

[CrashDavisD3]

I'll have my predictions for regional rankings and the numbers for everyone, including Chapman, Wednesday. As is always the case, I think SOS is being somewhat undervalued by people here. I believe Chapman has a shot to be regionally ranked based on their numbers but they still would be a long shot either Pool B or C. Do we know which they are eligible for?

JohnnyU -
Thanks!  I think everyone will be interested in your updated rankings. 

Regarding Chapman, in the past they received bids with "in-region" records as low as 15 - 11.  I'm sure they were rewarded with opting to play such difficult schedules.  And they undoubtedly have the highest SOS in the West this year.   Based on your last RPI rankings for the West (dated April 14), Chapman was ranked third.  They won 5 more West Region games since then, including two versus Linfield.  And they have 4 more West Region games left this year.  Thus, it will be interesting to see your updated rankings . . .

i believe the NCAA publication is wrong CHAPMAN IS NOT A POOL B per many postings already. Can someone get verification from NCAA. I know it dont matter since their record will not get them in either in B or C. Chapman(15-14 - .517) in Region after last weekend

[dahlby]

It has been verified that Chapman is not a Pool B team.

[CrashDavisD3]

It has been verified that Chapman is not a Pool B team.

THANKS !!

[Pat Coleman]

Yes, despite the handbook, Chapman is not a Pool B team.

[Ralph Turner]

First look in 2013 at the Pool B schools. (I put conferences together to help with understanding the dynamics in Pool B.  Once a conference earns Pool A, it can earn its Pool A AQ.)

Central: (3)  Chicago (which is independent and not a member of the UAA in baseball), Nebraska Wesleyan, Washington St Louis (UAA)
Mid-Atlantic:  (0)  Baptist Bible which I understand has suspended baseball this year.
Mideast:   (2) Case Western Reserve (UAA), Finlandia.
Midwest: (1, 0)  Presentation (no longer a member of the UMAC and has declared for the USCAA).
New England: ( 2,  9) Brandeis  (UAA), Maine-Presque Isle.  Castleton State, Colby-Sawyer, Husson, Lyndon State, New England College, Thomas College, Maine-Farmington
New York: (9 10)  The CUNYAC-5 Baruch, City College of New York, John Jay, Lehman, Staten Island.  The "Empire-8"  - 4" Ithaca, St. John Fisher,  Stevens, Utica. St Joseph's, Brooklyn, IND.
South: (10)  The SAA-7: Berry- provisional, Birmingham-Southern, Centre, Hendrix,  Millsaps, Oglethorpe, Rhodes,  University of the South; Covenant -- provisional, Emory (UAA), Huntingdon, Rust.
West: [None].

Multi-Region:  The UAA-4 Washington-St. Louis (Central), Case Western Reserve (Mideast), Brandeis (New England), Emory (South).

I count 27 Pool B teams. I counted 335 Pool A school from 39 Pool A Conference (including the North Atlantic Conference) to give an access ratio    335 divided by 39 = 8.569.

27 divided by 8.569 equals 3.150, which is truncated to 3 bids.


I anticipate that the North Atlantic Conference resumes as a Pool A conference: Castleton State, Colby-Sawyer, Husson, Lyndon State, New England College, Thomas College, Maine-Farmington.

Huntingdon and Covenant move to the USA-South in 2014.  The SAA will get its Pool A bid in 2015.

We should be down to 2 Pool B bids in 2015.


EDIT:  North Atlantic Conference teams are re-assigned to Pool B.  See below.

EDIT:  (3/06/2013)  Presentation has declared for the USCAA.
EDIT: (05/21/2013)  St Josephs Brooklyn is an IND.

[Ralph Turner]

Correction:  Thanks to the inside skinny obatined by Ricky Nelson, the teams in the North Atlantic Conference will be Pool B.

I need to check the math on this, but 34 Pool B bid teams divided by the Access Ratio of 1 bid for every 8.589 teams should give us 3.958. That should truncate to 3 bids and leave a bid for Pool C!

The critical numbers in this determination are:

The number of teams in Pool A conferences:  "x"

The number of Pool A conferences:   "y"

The number of Pool B teams, and who has declared for the NCAA Post-season (and not NAIA or NCCAA or even USCAA):  "z"

The equation is thus (and since almost most all of us are students or alums of D-III institutions and should comprehend this)

Z /  (x/y)  or re-stated  y times z divided by X.

We can check the Handbook when it comes out!

As always, Corrections are appreciated!

[OshDude]

Berry may be eligible this season. The NCAA also lists Lancaster as a Pool B team despite all indications that it should be listed in Pool A/C as a member of the NEAC. Covenant is also listed in Pool B.

I'm looking into them.

The SCAC gets a Pool A bid. If Centenary wins the five-team championship tournament, the top seed is the SCAC Pool A. If Centenary is the top seed and wins, the No. 2 seed gets the Pool A.

Berry is eligible to win the SAA but is in its last season as a probationary member of D-III.

[Pat Coleman]

Covenant is not a full member of Division III yet, but should be next year. Lancaster Bible is a full member of D-III and is in the NEAC (at least, it was in basketball).

[CrashDavisD3]

Thanks to Pat Coleman and Ricky Nelson and other DIII staff for their outstanding work for DIII Baseball. I believe the DIII staff knows DIII baseball better than the NCAA and is an asset to the NCAA. It really is too bad all this information can not be completed, checked, reviewed, revised and corrected and published to all before the season begins.

It is my understanding that going forward this information is restricted now and not available to the public.

Thank you for the ongoing support for DIII baseball and insuring accuracy and transparency to all by the DIII baseball staff.