BB: Regionals (West) 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011

[TexasBB]

There has been a disconnect between the rankings and the seedings in the west. There is a very good chance that Concordia Austin will be ranked higher than UTT in the final west region rankings. That is because they won the conference tournament even though they are not even ranked in the top 25. 

In so far as picking which teams are really the best is all opinion either way. For example the division rankings rely on SOS but that is opinion based as well. The ASC teams play and beat each other and many do not play many games outside of the ASC except very early in the season. Thus they get low SOS. What we don't know is how good the ASC is as opposed to other confernces. How does a 33-6 UTT compare to Marrietta for example. At the end of the day you can't really tell so you go with the best you have and that is a percieved SOS for better or worse.

Texas BB

[dp643]

Concordia and UT Dallas both lost to Linfield and George Fox earlier in the year. That doesnt bode well for comparing the ASC right now to other conferences in region. McMurry got smoked by Chapman as well.

[Ralph Turner]

Concordia and UT Dallas both lost to Linfield and George Fox earlier in the year. That doesnt bode well for comparing the ASC right now to other conferences in region. McMurry got smoked by Chapman as well.

A cautionary tale...

Those games were 3 months ago.  Let's see what happens at the end of the season.

[dp643]

I completely agree Ralph. Im just comparing all we have to go on at this point. Concordia is a much better team now than they were at the beginning in my opinion. Ive acknowledged that in the ASC thread.

[tigerfan_2001]

anyone know when the west region starts?

The McMurry release says Thurs and the NCAA handbook says all regionals will start on the 18th (Wed.)

[TexasBB]

West Region final rankings are in:

Linfield
Chapman
Redlands
Trinity
Tyler
La Verne

Two things of note: CTX the ASC champ is not ranked and the published record for UTT is wrong. They are 33-6 with a 30-6 record in the West. The rankings have them 33-7 with a 30-7 record in the West.  I don't know if that error on the loss side means anything.

What I also don't know is what this means for an at large C bid for UTT.

If they go with the A winners and Chapman and then pick the next highest ranked West Division team then Tyler is in. However .....

Texas BB

[CrashDavisD3]

I wonder IF.....

West Regional is
Chapman
Redlands
Trinty Texas
Tyler Texas
La Verne
Concordia Texas

AND
Linfield's plane  ride DOES NOT land in Abilene.......Has happen before....

[BigPoppa]

I can see Linfield filling a spot in Whitewater

[CrashDavisD3]

I can see Linfield filling a spot in Whitewater

Linfield to Whitewater approximately 2000 miles
Linfiedl to Abilene approximately 1900+ miles...

I thing Big Poppa is correct....

[Ralph Turner]

I can see Linfield filling a spot in Whitewater

Linfield to Whitewater approximately 2000 miles
Linfiedl to Abilene approximately 1900+ miles...

I thing Big Poppa is correct....

How does LaVerne get the 15th Pool C bid with their record?

If the NCAA is going to fly a team someplace, Rhodes/Millington TN may need a 6th team, too.  I think that CNU will be the #1 seed in Millington.

I would rather see UT-Tyler bussed to Millington, if a "LaVerne" is going to be flown to Abilene.

My reason for wanting to send UTT to Memphis is so the ASC has teams in 2 brackets.

[CrashDavisD3]

I can see Linfield filling a spot in Whitewater

Linfield to Whitewater approximately 2000 miles
Linfiedl to Abilene approximately 1900+ miles...

I thing Big Poppa is correct....

How does LaVerne get the 15th Pool C bid with their record?

If the NCAA is going to fly a team someplace, Rhodes/Millington TN may need a 6th team, too.  I think that CNU will be the #1 seed in Millington.

I would rather see UT-Tyler bussed to Millington, if a "LaVerne" is going to be flown to Abilene.

My reason for wanting to send UTT to Memphis is so the ASC has teams in 2 brackets.

How does La Verne get regionally ranked with their record is the bigger question ? 
La Verne did  beat 3 regionally ranked teams  Kean, Chapman, Redlands 
BUT
SOS is 126 Regionally win % is 71 and OWP is 128
BUT
Redlands is even lower in SOS and OWP

[Ralph Turner]

SOS and OWP don't work in the West Region, and the regional and national committees (should) know it.  SOS and OWP are a mathematical function of the population. (I hope that is the proper term for that statistical concept.)  There are not enough teams in the area to create a schedule that will reflect a strong OWP, so all of the OWP's and OOWP's are around .500.

[TexasBB]

SOS and OWP don't work in the West Region, and the regional and national committees (should) know it.  SOS and OWP are a mathematical function of the population. (I hope that is the proper term for that statistical concept.)  There are not enough teams in the area to create a schedule that will reflect a strong OWP, so all of the OWP's and OOWP's are around .500.

Then how in the heck do they come up with the west division rankings?  I will use UTT as an example. They have a better win-loss regional record than any team in the region. Why then are they ranked below Trininty or Redlands for that matter?  It has always mysitified me. So it really appears to boil down to "feel" or opinion. 

At the end of the day the coaches and players at UTT don't care about the rankings etc. They just want to be invited to the dance and don't care where the dance is held.

Texas BB

[BigPoppa]

Trinity and Redlands BOTH won their conferences. They are rewarded for that.

[TexasBB]

Trinity and Redlands BOTH won their conferences. They are rewarded for that.

Understand that concept but why then wasn't CTX "rewarded" for winning the ASC. Why is La Verne ranked instead?

The logic, if there is any, breaks down at that point, thus opinion and feel come into play.

Texas BB