BB: Regionals (West) 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011

[Just_Some_Guy]

Provided those are the teams in, who has a logistical chance at winning the thing?

I'm off my game, because work has had me bogged down the last couple of months (sorry for no West Regional Rankings...) so I would love to hear some commentary.

In spite of the fact that CTX is hot right now, I just do not think they have the pitching depth to make a run at winning a 6-team tournament.

Regardless of the UTT's poor performance in the conference tournament, I still think they would have a decent chance a playing deep into the tournament with their first three guys rested and on the bump.

I know what GFU did to Linfield, but could the Cats been complacent with their semi-comfortable lead.  I really like the depth of their pitching staff and the way they play defense. Pitching and D have been known to win championships...

Due to the history of the league of late, I have a hard time picking La Verne. Despite what others have seen and said, I'm still not even convinced they were the best team in the SCIAC.

A healthy McMurry team might be ton

[Browneagle64]

Chapman without a doubt will win it all. These guys are just to good right now. They are on fire both in their pitching and batting. These guys will strike guys teams down methodically.

From the NWC, i think the cats will do fine during the 1st round. However, i have a strog sense that they will crumble during the second round. Why, because their inexperience will start to show just when its not suppose to. Don't get me wrong, Coach Bro' has really helped these kids come a long way by injecting ( ) into  them a strong defensive philosophy that yes defense wins games. However,their defense can not carry them in this good tourney.

As for the SCIAC representative La Verne: Are you kidding me JSG???. These guys were closer than the 2007 D3worldseries champs in winning three games from the 08' co-SCIAC champs (Chapman that is)
La Verne has really proven that their pitching, batting and defensive skills are just what the doctor suggested they use in order to get their business done. I won't be surprise if they meet up with the panther's during some point in the tourney (now that would be an awesome game) and probabily give the panthers another run for their money. It should be a fun tourney to catch up with.

[chakote]

Chapman without a doubt will win it all. These guys are just to good right now. They are on fire both in their pitching and batting. These guys will strike guys teams down methodically.

From the NWC, i think the cats will do fine during the 1st round. However, i have a strog sense that they will crumble during the second round. Why, because their inexperience will start to show just when its not suppose to. Don't get me wrong, Coach Bro' has really helped these kids come a long way by injecting ( ) into  them a strong defensive philosophy that yes defense wins games. However,their defense can not carry them in this good tourney.

As for the SCIAC representative La Verne: Are you kidding me JSG???. These guys were closer than the 2007 D3worldseries champs in winning three games from the 08' co-SCIAC champs (Chapman that is)
La Verne has really proven that their pitching, batting and defensive skills are just what the doctor suggested they use in order to get their business done. I won't be surprise if they meet up with the panther's during some point in the tourney (now that would be an awesome game) and probabily give the panthers another run for their money. It should be a fun tourney to catch up with.

Browneagle I like the way that you think  Chapman 2008 CWS champions it has a good ring to it. But the games still have to be played and LaVerne if they do meet up with Chapman they have played them close and know how to play them. Besides they do play great defense and have pesky singles hitters that are always getting on base and once that happens and you can start strining hits together you never know what will happen. It will be great baseball no matter what

[atl7]

okay...utt will get in why do some people think that they will not get in they are ranked in the top 10 in the nation according to this website....why does nobody talk about the ozarks who are currently still ranked 24th in the nation according to this website and 32nd according to the other national poll for d-3 baseball...i dont see how a top 25 cant get a regional that just seems ridicoulous...wow both these teams lost in thier conference tournaments which should not be considered play-offs in which seem people call them....the play-offs are regionals and and the CWS...i mean c'mon just becuase you lose in a conference tourny does not mean you should be erased from regional talk....look at D-1 baseball many top teams lose in conference tourny's and they still move on to a regional...idk maybe it is just that the D-3 play off system is so messed up...this is not college basketball  quality wins and sos should not count sure at the -/D-1 level they have an RPI but those teams have a big enough budget to schecdule whoever and they can travel anywhere/- especially at this level teams cant go play wherever and whoever becuase of school budgets i mean the ozarks cant play against all the teams in texas becuase of costs thier school is a bad location for attracting teams to play them they went out and played there schedule and ended up with a 33-10 recorded you cant knock a team for not being able to schedule better competion at this level im sorry

[atlas385]

Atl7,
You are correct in saying that we should not exclude UTT and Ozarks in the discussion of a regional bid. But I think CTX is just as deserving. They swept MHB (28-12) when they were nationally ranked, they beat nationally ranked Ozarks (33-10) 2 of 3 and UTT (36-9) 3 of 5 games. We have a 30-16 record and have won 11 out of 14 games in the final stretch. I hope all 3 teams get in.

[TexasBB]

Sombody has to do the math where you take the wins, quality wins etc and total them all the points up. CTX was good down the stretch but those 16 losses are not helpfull. I think they deserve to be in but I also think so does UTT. UTT was the division champ and did have the best overall record of all teams in the ASC. They were the only team to loose less than 10 games. Ozarks should be considered as well and probably stand a chance if they can be placed in a different region.

[infielddad]

Well, this might create some fun.
Based on rankings and records, it looks like Trinity may end up with the 6 seed in a 6 team regional.
Chapman certainly will be the #1 seed.
That likely means Bronson or possibly Oates, but most likely Bronson for Trinity vs Chapman. 
Bronson is very, very good and Trinity can hit.
Kitchens is also very, very good and Chapman can hit.
I wouldn't buy a bus ticket to Wisconsin if this match up occurs until you have a W and stay in the winner's bracket.
I would question if Trinity has enough pitching depth this year.  But Bronson and Oates will be as good as any pitchers in Abilene  and those two and the Trinity bats  could create some problems along the way.

[chakote]

Well, this might create some fun.
Based on rankings and records, it looks like Trinity may end up with the 6 seed in a 6 team regional.
Chapman certainly will be the #1 seed.
That likely means Bronson or possibly Oates, but most likely Bronson for Trinity vs Chapman. 
Bronson is very, very good and Trinity can hit.
Kitchens is also very, very good and Chapman can hit.
I wouldn't buy a bus ticket to Wisconsin if this match up occurs until you have a W and stay in the winner's bracket.
I would question if Trinity has enough pitching depth this year.  But Bronson and Oates will be as good as any pitchers in Abilene  and those two and the Trinity bats  could create some problems along the way.

I agree that Bronson is very very good and Kitchens is very very good but lets not forget one thing the lack of playoff experience is the key and with the playoff experience that Chapman is lined out with just might be the difference in the game. I don't want to call anything this early and I won't and Trinity is for the most part at home and that might be the difference, the home field advantage because how does the saying go you don't mess with Tex'ess ( a little southern slang ) it will be a great game for those who love to watch a pitching duel.

[Blackcat00]

If UTT and Ozarks get in with CTX emilinating both should get an automaticbid to the World Series . That wont happen, if anything maybe UTT, but i doubt it.

[Blackcat00]

Also one or two of CTX losses came to Div 1 Houston Baptist, considering that CTX took I beleive two games from Houston Baptist as well.

[Ralph Turner]

The NCBWA/D3baseball.com poll (or any poll) is not a criterion used by the committee.

Quoting the FAQ from the Handbook (and the Regional Rankings come out tomorrow)

These are the primary criteria that are used to rank the Pool C teams:
• Win-loss percentage against regional opponents (Start calculating!)
• Quality of Wins Index: only contests versus regional competition (the OWP and the OOWP, to which I do not have access.)
• In- region head-to-head competition.    May knock out Tyler and or Concordia, going against George Fox in this.
• In-region results vs. common regional opponents.  Start looking at the games played.
• In-region results vs. regionally ranked teams  See Regional Rankings
• Ranked opponents are defined as those teams ranked at the time of the ranking/selection process only.
• Conference post-season contests are included.  ASC Tourney
• Contests versus provisional members in their third and fourth years shall count in the primary criteria. Provisional members shall remain ineligible for rankings and selection.

Note -- Houston Baptist has no impact on the Concordia season or qualifications in the Primary Criteria.

These criteria are considered across all 320 teams that do not get a Pool A or Pool B bid.

[TexasBB]

If the West region is an 8 team vs. 6 team then the non-conference ASC teams will have a better chance. With a 6 team region we may not get anyone other than McMurry.

[TexasBB]

Apparently the Quality Wins index ended after the 2007 season so that is no longer a measuing criteria.

I took Ralph's info and did the comparison between CTX and UTT

The first is W/L percentage of in-region opponents including the Conference Championship games.

CTX 26-13 for 66.67%
UTT 33-9   for 78.57%   Advantage UTT

Second is head to head
CTX 3 wins UTT 2 wins  Advantage CTX

Third is Common Opponents
                            UTT       CTX
Sul Ross              2-0         3-0
Schriener             3-0          3-0
McMurry               0-1          1-4
LeTourneau         3-0          3-0
HSU                     3-1           1-2
Ozarks                 2-1           0-1

Total                   13-3         11-7   Advantage UTT 


Fourth In Region vs Regionally Ranked
The only teams that the two have played that are regionally ranked are each other which was already considered CTX won head to head 3-2


So there it is UTT has the advantage with better winning % against in Region and common opponents and CTX won the head to head. The head to head was not a domination and UTT won its two games at CTX so it would appear overall advantage UTT

[dbat]

Bronson is without a doubt one of the best pitchers in the west division.  He has shut down several great teams.  He has a hard and heavy fastball and an amazing slider that breaks hard late.  Dont forget about his change which he will sometimes pitch backwards starting you out with that.  I would say that even though chapman can hit Bronson definately has the ability to shut them down the first game of the tourney if that is the matchup.  Hmmm!

[Browneagle64]

Bronson is without a doubt one of the best pitchers in the west division.  He has shut down several great teams.  He has a hard and heavy fastball and an amazing slider that breaks hard late.  Dont forget about his change which he will sometimes pitch backwards starting you out with that.  I would say that even though chapman can hit Bronson definately has the ability to shut them down the first game of the tourney if that is the matchup.  Hmmm!

Hum.... Sounds like this Bronson kid can really pitch. If by any chances he does face the Panthers in the first round, i am sure he will do fine pitching against them.
But to be honest with you, in keeping up with the panthers for the past 8 years, Coach T. and co. will expose this kid's weakness and find ways to prevail against him.
For instance, the reason why the Leo's were close in beating the SCIAC co-champs during the season was because they sent in their best pitching and clearly found ways to keep the panthers in check. However, these guys will methodically break every pitch down, their pitchers will know what type of batter the face (by the 4th/5inning) and will then combine their offense and defensive talents to let the flood gates open by the 5inning and take the game over.
Expect them to start off a bit slow, but by the end, you will be surprised at how good this team is.