BB: Regionals (West) 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011

[Ralph Turner]

I think that the West is looking like a 6-team bracket.

Chapman, Linfield, PP, Trinity and the ASC Pool A.

One Pool C bid that comes from one of the teams listed in last week's Regional Rankings will make the 6th.

[dahlby]

If the committee looks at the whole season, as I have been led to believe, then Redlands could control their own destiny by winning at least two games next weekend against Chapman. But, who really knows for sure.

[CrashDavisD3]

I think that the West is looking like a 6-team bracket.

Chapman, Linfield, PP, Trinity and the ASC Pool A.

One Pool C bid that comes from one of the teams listed in last week's Regional Rankings will make the 6th.

SCIAC - Pomona Pitzer - Pool A
SCAC  - Trinity TX - Pool A
NWC  -  Linfield - Pool A
IND    -  Chapman Pool B
ASC   -  TBD Pool A
   -  Pool C(Pac Lu, Redlands, Cal Lutheran, Texas Lu, Texas Tyler Mississippi College)

[BigPoppa]

Getting swept this weekend really hurt Pac Lutheran.

[CrashDavisD3]

This weekend (May 7, 8, 9) will finish up West Region play that has a major impacts to Pool A/B/C  and seedings in the West Regional

SCIAC/Independent (Pool C/Pool B)
Redlands vs Chapman

ASC Championship(Pool A/Pool C)
UT-Tyler
Texas Lutheran
Mississippi College
Hardin Simmons

[CrashDavisD3]

Predicted Regional Rankings Today

1 Chapman
2 Mississippi College
3 Trinity (Texas)
4 Linfield
5 Pomona-Pitzer
6 Texas-Tyler

Not sure if I got the order correct...

[CrashDavisD3]

Regional Rankings released today 5/6/2010 by NCAA

West Region
1. Chapman 23-4 26-8
2. Linfield 28-7 30-10
3. Pomona-Pitzer 27-7 29-9
4. Mississippi College 30-4 34-7
5. Trinity (Texas) 28-6 32-7
6. Texas Lutheran 28-11 31-11

[tigerfan_2001]

Regional Rankings released today 5/6/2010 by NCAA

West Region
1. Chapman 23-4 26-8
2. Linfield 28-7 30-10
3. Pomona-Pitzer 27-7 29-9
4. Mississippi College 30-4 34-7
5. Trinity (Texas) 28-6 32-7
6. Texas Lutheran 28-11 31-11

I guess I just dont understand how they do regional rankings.....I know the formula, but dont get TU being ranked 5th.

and a follow up, will these ranking determine seeding in the regional tourney?

[ILVBB]

It has taken me four years of watching to figure out how the "system" works. It is become clear to me that if you are a west region team; it is far better to be an independent; not in a conference and hope that the schools administration and alumni will support the program. You have to give Chapman credit; they have figured out how the system works and have built their program with the objective of getting to the tournament and winning.

If your in the west; it does not pay to play "local" teams that are weak. Yet that is the only choice that many teams face. Be independent; get on the plane and travel to other western programs that value competition. If a cold weather team wants to visit your warm weather location; you have to question the value.

The D3 formula works where there is a high concentration of schools such that travel and choice can be made. But if you are a western team with only a few schools in your conference; you will pay a price at tournament time.

[Bmo]

TU gets absolutely killed by the 4 game set with Schreiner and their 28 in-region losses.  Remove those games and their OWP is 500 and they are arguing for a top 1-3 spot in the West.  Interesting how an early season in region series can change the lay of the land so much.  But they are 5-1 versus regionally ranked competition, now.  Too bad that's secondary criteria.

[Pat Coleman]

Results against regionally ranked competition is part of the PRIMARY, not secondary criteria.

[ILVBB]

It is not just Schreiner that kills; it is the 13 conference wins against teams with sub 500 records. That makes more than half of their in region wins against sub 500 teams. The SCAC west may be good competition; but it does not play well with the NCAA.

[Ralph Turner]

It has taken me four years of watching to figure out how the "system" works. It is become clear to me that if you are a west region team; it is far better to be an independent; not in a conference and hope that the schools administration and alumni will support the program. You have to give Chapman credit; they have figured out how the system works and have built their program with the objective of getting to the tournament and winning.

If your in the west; it does not pay to play "local" teams that are weak. Yet that is the only choice that many teams face. Be independent; get on the plane and travel to other western programs that value competition. If a cold weather team wants to visit your warm weather location; you have to question the value.

The D3 formula works where there is a high concentration of schools such that travel and choice can be made. But if you are a western team with only a few schools in your conference; you will pay a price at tournament time.

The problem with being an independent in the west, or any place, is "who do you play?"

Look at the schedules of Menlo and UDallas.

If UDallas were offered a place in the SCAC, they would be there yesterday.  Otherwise, they are filling their late season schedules with teams that are not even NCAA, e.g., the USCAA team from Briarcliffe on Long Island in New York!

I think that most new fans to D3 get confused about the number of playoff bids that seem available to D1 teams in the SEC or the Big-12 and don't realize that that doesn't apply to the Southland Conference or the Sun Belt in basketball.  It may be slightly different in the south for baseball, just because we have so many good baseball teams down here.

We keep repeating this, but the ASC is hindered in access to the playoffs until we can split into 2 distinct conferences.

[Ralph Turner]

It is not just Schreiner that kills; it is the 13 conference wins against teams with sub 500 records. That makes more than half of their in region wins against sub 500 teams. The SCAC west may be good competition; but it does not play well with the NCAA.

Please run the OWP numbers yourself from Appendix B of the Handbook.

By this time, using the system, I think that the NCAA is aware of how unreliable the OWP/OOWP is when evaluating isolated conferences such as the ASC, the SCIAC and the NWC.

Shucks, I haven't run the numbers, but I think that the OWP/OOWP for the New York Yankees was only about .497 last season.    

[Bmo]

Sorry to clarify, TU is 5-1 versus all D3 ranked competition which I believe is Secondary Criteria.  They are 3-1 versus in-region (to them, Millsaps included) competition which is Primary selection criteria.