BB: Regionals (West) 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011

[tiger_fan2000]

Tiger fan- get off your high horse pal. Shouldn't everybody be throwing the heck out of their top guys? Its a 40-45 game season nobody's playing 162 game schedule bud!  Anybody remember the D-1 world series Oregon State 06 and 07?? Buck, Gunderson, Nickerson.... ring any bells??? FYI- for the record the two guys that have logged the most innings for chapman aren't even the guys you are referencing. Sigman (89 innings) and Clear (91 innings) are the ones doing the majority of the work! Yacko (54.2) and Kitchens (65 innings) obviously have better numbers but do your homework when your going to post because it looks like the innings are pretty well spread out. You said that if Trinity played the same schedule as Chapman that their top guys would have similar numbers...... Well they DON'T and the numbers don't lie... Do they?? Speculate all you want but don't hate on a team and knock decisions being made and say that with a different schedule outcomes are changed. Nobody wants the half hearted, "Good Luck at the series" if all you are going to do is bash how they got there!!

Back off!!!  Before you go slamming me, maybe you should interpret what I wrote better.  I meant inning pitched, not total numbers.  If Trinity did not play mid-week games, Oates and Bronson would each get 3-4 more starts.  Also, If Trinity did not play 4 game conference series, that would give Bronson and Oates more starts.  That is what I was referring to, not overall numbers.  Plus, wasnt Kitchens hurt at the beginning of the year.  Meaning, so you dont have to interpret, if he was healthy, doubtful that Luzar gets any of his starts.  I never said the outcome would be different if Trinity played a different schedule.  Not once.  Someone is a little sensitive about Chapman's schedule......

And my "good luck at the series" wasnt fake or half-hearted.  Just because you can't sincerely say good luck and mean it, doesnt mean i can't.  Chapman played a great regional, hope to see them next year, and the year after, and the year after in the regional final.  they will be great series between them and Trinity.....

[chakote]

Wow  Are we on the same page canpikit, Post after post by the Texas faithfuls lead me to belive that they HATE to see Chapman beat them Year after Year.  Quite whining and making excuses.  Play some Defence (TT) (MM).  If you have three of the top pitchers on the same team WIN your league (TTY).  If you have two Pichers that can beat Chapman THROW them (TT).  If your going to come from NAIA play some COMPETITION (TTY).  Win a REGIONAL  (TEXAS).  There is not any other board that shows the bias that the Texas faithfuls express. Sure makes it obvious there are some sourgrapes, envey, and flat out hatred that they get no chance to go to Appleton Year after Year.  Cry on some other topic you can call it       I HATE CHAPMAN  then iI wont have to read it.

Great post HALLE i don't understand the fact that everyone is so dead set against the Panthers and are trying to find other reasons why there teams didn't win, except maybe the post seaks for itself and they are envious to the fact that Chapman won again.
It couldn't be the fact that we have the best coaching staff in the league could it?   Go figure   COACH EDWARDS IS HANDS DOWN THE BEST PITCHING COACH in the league, he has nothing but these kids best interest in mind. coach Edwards has the respect from all the kids and parents that play for him. He could punch his ticket to any college he wanted to DI-DIII we have had a pitching staff that has proven time after time that he is by far the best; bar none!!! 
Coach Tereshuk had also proven that his winning percentage speaks for itself, the team responds to his stlye and that time after time it has shown he knows how to get the best out of his kids.
Coach Koosed is new this year as the hitting coach and the teams  batting average is up substantially, and once again the kids love him and respond to his style. enough said about the best coaching staff in the league.

   There are so many bad things said here on these posts lately whether or not they were said directly to the fact of I HATE CHAPMAN    or good games  :-*with tongue in cheek. But the facts remain the same and HALLE said it best if you start winning these tournaments then that is the best way to shut up the soothesayers. But so far it still hasn't been done and there is always next year.

[thefalcdeuces]

Tiger fan- get off your high horse pal. Shouldn't everybody be throwing the heck out of their top guys? Its a 40-45 game season nobody's playing 162 game schedule bud!  Anybody remember the D-1 world series Oregon State 06 and 07?? Buck, Gunderson, Nickerson.... ring any bells??? FYI- for the record the two guys that have logged the most innings for chapman aren't even the guys you are referencing. Sigman (89 innings) and Clear (91 innings) are the ones doing the majority of the work! Yacko (54.2) and Kitchens (65 innings) obviously have better numbers but do your homework when your going to post because it looks like the innings are pretty well spread out. You said that if Trinity played the same schedule as Chapman that their top guys would have similar numbers...... Well they DON'T and the numbers don't lie... Do they?? Speculate all you want but don't hate on a team and knock decisions being made and say that with a different schedule outcomes are changed. Nobody wants the half hearted, "Good Luck at the series" if all you are going to do is bash how they got there!!

Back off!!!  Before you go slamming me, maybe you should interpret what I wrote better.  I meant inning pitched, not total numbers.  If Trinity did not play mid-week games, Oates and Bronson would each get 3-4 more starts.  Also, If Trinity did not play 4 game conference series, that would give Bronson and Oates more starts.  That is what I was referring to, not overall numbers.  Plus, wasnt Kitchens hurt at the beginning of the year.  Meaning, so you dont have to interpret, if he was healthy, doubtful that Luzar gets any of his starts.  I never said the outcome would be different if Trinity played a different schedule.  Not once.  Someone is a little sensitive about Chapman's schedule......

And my "good luck at the series" wasnt fake or half-hearted.  Just because you can't sincerely say good luck and mean it, doesnt mean i can't.  Chapman played a great regional, hope to see them next year, and the year after, and the year after in the regional final.  they will be great series between them and Trinity.....

A. If Luzar was healthy all year, he would of gotten his starts
B. Chapman wishes they were in a conference but unfortunately it would never happen. They have to be flawless all year because if they are not they wont get a sniff at the playoffs. Every game matters when your independent
C.I have no problem being sincere, just wish people would give credit where credit is due and leave it at that. Not make excuses or justify "what could have or would have happened".

[tiger_fan2000]

Tiger fan- get off your high horse pal. Shouldn't everybody be throwing the heck out of their top guys? Its a 40-45 game season nobody's playing 162 game schedule bud!  Anybody remember the D-1 world series Oregon State 06 and 07?? Buck, Gunderson, Nickerson.... ring any bells??? FYI- for the record the two guys that have logged the most innings for chapman aren't even the guys you are referencing. Sigman (89 innings) and Clear (91 innings) are the ones doing the majority of the work! Yacko (54.2) and Kitchens (65 innings) obviously have better numbers but do your homework when your going to post because it looks like the innings are pretty well spread out. You said that if Trinity played the same schedule as Chapman that their top guys would have similar numbers...... Well they DON'T and the numbers don't lie... Do they?? Speculate all you want but don't hate on a team and knock decisions being made and say that with a different schedule outcomes are changed. Nobody wants the half hearted, "Good Luck at the series" if all you are going to do is bash how they got there!!

Back off!!!  Before you go slamming me, maybe you should interpret what I wrote better.  I meant inning pitched, not total numbers.  If Trinity did not play mid-week games, Oates and Bronson would each get 3-4 more starts.  Also, If Trinity did not play 4 game conference series, that would give Bronson and Oates more starts.  That is what I was referring to, not overall numbers.  Plus, wasnt Kitchens hurt at the beginning of the year.  Meaning, so you dont have to interpret, if he was healthy, doubtful that Luzar gets any of his starts.  I never said the outcome would be different if Trinity played a different schedule.  Not once.  Someone is a little sensitive about Chapman's schedule......

And my "good luck at the series" wasnt fake or half-hearted.  Just because you can't sincerely say good luck and mean it, doesnt mean i can't.  Chapman played a great regional, hope to see them next year, and the year after, and the year after in the regional final.  they will be great series between them and Trinity.....

A. If Luzar was healthy all year, he would of gotten his starts
B. Chapman wishes they were in a conference but unfortunately it would never happen. They have to be flawless all year because if they are not they wont get a sniff at the playoffs. Every game matters when your independent
C.I have no problem being sincere, just wish people would give credit where credit is due and leave it at that. Not make excuses or justify "what could have or would have happened".

A--I thought Kitchens wasnt healthy which was why Luzar got his starts, because Kitchens couldn't go at the time.  Without speaking to Coach T, I find it hard to believe Kitchens gets pulled in the opening game, going 1.2 inning of no hit ball. 
B--Independent teams have a good chance of making it.  Cal State East Bay went 26-14 and got a Pool B Bid.  The ratio of Independents to Pool B bids is far greater than the ratio of Pool C eligible teams to Pool C Bids. 
C--No where did I ever say "what could have or would have happened" in my original post.  All I said is that if Trinity played the same schedule (meaning dates) that Chapman plays, I think the Trinity staff would have used Bronson and Oates like Chapman used it horses. 

[Browneagle64]

People, people, please take a chill pill or salt tablet if there is any nearby.

Gosh. I leave for the weekend on a family trip, check on the wild west regional scores & post from all of you guys and come back to heated debates. Awesome.
However, lets just keep in mind that all the teams that particapted this past weekend definately deserved to be there (the west touney regional, that is .) But, only the best can advance. That's just the beauty of any sport.  In this case, the SCIAC co-champs are the best because 1) these guys know how to methodically break your team down, 2) know how to adjust after 5 innings, 3) will use any of their players (when necessary) to keep their adjustments working and finally 4) know how to finish off their opponents. Like i said before, Coach T. and co. all use such formula like this year in and year out in order to take care of their business and reach to the highlest level of d3baseball. I wouldn't be surprised if in a couple of weeks we all heard, read and see that the SCIAC co-champs are the 08 CWS champs.

Best of luck panthers (oh and to the NWC cats as well)

[thefalcdeuces]

listen guy! if kitchens was healthy all year and luzar was healthy all year they would have both gotten their starts! Luzar got hurt which is the only reason he didn't get his! one of the other 2 starters would have been used out of the pen! Good thing they are that deep and HOPEFULLY it will show this weekend, like it did last weekend!

[tiger_fan2000]

so Kitchens wasnt hurt at the beginning of the year?

[Ralph Turner]

listen guy! if kitchens was healthy all year and luzar was healthy all year they would have both gotten their starts! Luzar got hurt which is the only reason he didn't get his! one of the other 2 starters would have been used out of the pen! Good thing they are that deep and HOPEFULLY it will show this weekend, like it did last weekend!

I thought that Sigman, Clear and Luzar did outstanding jobs last weekend.

[tiger_fan2000]

absolutely, as did I.  I watched both get the big outs when they needed to and Luzar carved Trinty for all 9 innings.  It must be nice to have that type of an arm (Luzar) and only need to pitch him 5 times all year for only 30 innings.....wish the tigers had that type of problem 

[AGMAN]

I thought that Sigman, Clear and Luzar did outstanding jobs last weekend.
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No doubt about it - Chapman had pitching that kept their opponents off balance and hitters that could absolutely smash a mistake.  Good luck to Chapmen - validate the western talent!

[chakote]

so Kitchens wasnt hurt at the beginning of the year?

Kitchens was hurt and down for 3-or 4 games. He didn't take and chances and got healthy, he was on a pitch count for 3 games when he came back and dominated like he was supposed to. just like he will at the dance. Luzar was also injured and did the same thing, he came back and took over just like he had never left. now with that said it created a pitching staff that any coach would love to have especially this time of year.

Go Panthers and great to see you back Brown Eagle

[tiger_fan2000]

so Kitchens wasnt hurt at the beginning of the year?

Kitchens was hurt and down for 3-or 4 games. He didn't take and chances and got healthy, he was on a pitch count for 3 games when he came back and dominated like he was supposed to. just like he will at the dance. Luzar was also injured and did the same thing, he came back and took over just like he had never left. now with that said it created a pitching staff that any coach would love to have especially this time of year.

Go Panthers and great to see you back Brown Eagle

no doubt about that.....

[canTpickit]

By the way, whatever happened to Scott Hyde?

Good Luck to Chapman, I hope they win it all!

He won a world series with his best friends and will remember it forever, then got drafted because he carried a D3 team to a title.  What happened to all the talent from many other schools?  They made sure not to overuse them and they sat on the bench while other teams dog piled in front of them.

I understand the idea of not ruining a guy's career, but does 10-20 innings over the course of a year really mean the difference between prolonged professional baseball success and burnout in the first year?  I don't think so.  I also believe (coming from someone who never played pro baseball) that playing in regionals and world series' are the most fun and intense games that a guy will play until he reaches the bigs because of the team oriented nature and the emphasis on winning.  I think that there are many guys that are as talented as Hyde that came from D3 that either didn't get a shot in pro baseball because their teams were not good or were "saved" for later that would go back and pitch more innings to get their teams to a world series or a championship.  We're not talking about first round talents that are risking millions of dollars to take the ball on 3 days' rest.

[WouldPickIt]

I think we can all agree that Tereschuk partially deserves his veiled message board reputation as the D3 Dusty Baker. He puts innings on arms, no doubt. Additionally, we can speculate all we want on whether or not the pitchers think, thought, or will think in the future if it was worth it or not, but bickering on a message board isn't going to solve anything.

There are two funny things that I see happening in this current argument, if you can call it that:

1) Based solely on what I've read in the last twenty minutes (I don't follow D3 baseball, or it's myriad message board posts, all that closely, sue me), it would appear that Kitchens and Luzar both getting hurt forced Coach Tereschuk into developing a more robust pitching staff, something he isn't known for, and this helped come tournament time. Whether that carries into the World Series, we will see. I believe there has been lingering concerns about the relative health of the Chapman pitching staff as they headed to Appleton in years past.

2) When it came down to it, Chapman didn't have to overuse (IMHO) Kitchens or Yacko in the regional. If you want to get hypothetical about whether or not "Chapman would still be playing if they had seen Bronson and Oates," then at least allow for the counter-hypothetical of Trinity having to face Kitchens, right? Luzar's a good player, but I can only assume the pitching match up in the Championship game was on somewhat even ground, and Chapman came out on top - would it really have played out differently in two win or go home games with Bronson and Oates? (Disclaimer: I know virtually nothing about these two guys. They look to have solid stats, good strikeout numbers, etc. But neither seem to be unbeatable)

[2X All-American]

Hopefully I can put this debate to rest... Having pitched for Coach T for 4 years at Chapman he does not make pitchers throw innings that they dont want to throw. This is D3 Baseball. The reason 99% of the pitchers are going to D3 schools is because A) They dont have 90+ Fastballs that D1 schools pretty much require, or B) They want to continue their baseball careers at a school where they can get into the mix right away rather than redshirting for a year, sitting on the bench for a couple years, and then possibly getting their shot as a junior or senior at a D1 school. While at Chapman we played tons of weekday games followed by weekend series. I actually commended Coach T on putting together a great schedule for this season where there was limited weekday games to conserve his pitchers arms. Also, when I was playing we didnt breeze right through any of our 4  regionals. We had one loss in every one, yet somehow we made it to Appleton in 3 of those years. We had to play two on the final day of each regional, as well as one time in Appleton. As a former pitcher, there was no one else I wanted on the mound in those final games than me, even on short rest, as I am sure that every D3 pitcher in the nation would feel. We dont have million dollar careers in the big leagues to worry about. Other than the rare Billy Wagners, Jarrod Washburns, Scot Shields, etc. D3 baseball is more about the team and winning the National Championship than any other sport in any other division there is. Anyways, When it boils down to it Coach T puts the guys who want the ball on the mound regardless of whether they threw a complete game the day before or they happen to have had a couple days rest. If any of disagree with the way Chapman uses its pitchers, shut your mouth. Every guy who gets on that mound wants to be there.

P.S. Kitchens and/or Yacko would have Dominated Trinity had they forced a game 2 in Abeline.

Go Panthers, Take it to Kean Wayde!