Conference changes

[ronk]

 I can understand the MAC adding York to the Commonwealth and switching Lycoming to the Freedom to balance the divisions numerically, but why switch Eastern and Arcadia? They're only a few miles apart so the disruption doesn't seem to warrant a switch.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I can understand the MAC adding York to the Commonwealth and switching Lycoming to the Freedom to balance the divisions numerically, but why switch Eastern and Arcadia? They're only a few miles apart so the disruption doesn't seem to warrant a switch.

I heard something about wanting to build up (back?) the rivalry with Messiah, but that may just be speculation.

[jmcozenlaw]

I can understand the MAC adding York to the Commonwealth and switching Lycoming to the Freedom to balance the divisions numerically, but why switch Eastern and Arcadia? They're only a few miles apart so the disruption doesn't seem to warrant a switch.

I've heard more off and on rumors about an Arcadia departure from the MAC (Atlantic East?). Would a Cabrini consider a move to the MAC as a replacement and as a natural rival to Eastern?

[Pat Coleman]

Arcadia was supposed to have been one of the original AEC members, but because it was in the middle of a president change, didn't pull the trigger.

I don't know that Cabrini has to be in the MAC -- it might be too soon to tell whether AEC is preferable to MAC for them but definitely they have to see AEC as preferable to CSAC.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I can understand the MAC adding York to the Commonwealth and switching Lycoming to the Freedom to balance the divisions numerically, but why switch Eastern and Arcadia? They're only a few miles apart so the disruption doesn't seem to warrant a switch.

I've heard more off and on rumors about an Arcadia departure from the MAC (Atlantic East?). Would a Cabrini consider a move to the MAC as a replacement and as a natural rival to Eastern?

To follow up on Pat's thoughts ... yeah, Arcadia to leave the MAC has been an ongoing topic for years now. They were in, then out, then in, then out, then ... who knows with the Atlantic East from the time the group formed until the conference officially formed. If they wanted to join the AEC, I am sure they would be welcomed.

I don't think Cabrini goes to the MAC. That isn't a good fit for them. I also agree that the AEC would be a better fit for Cabrini than anyone else.

I actually am not sure what other schools in the region would fit into the MAC. Everyone has either left the conference (for good reason in their minds) or doesn't really fit the group.

[jmcozenlaw]

I can understand the MAC adding York to the Commonwealth and switching Lycoming to the Freedom to balance the divisions numerically, but why switch Eastern and Arcadia? They're only a few miles apart so the disruption doesn't seem to warrant a switch.

I've heard more off and on rumors about an Arcadia departure from the MAC (Atlantic East?). Would a Cabrini consider a move to the MAC as a replacement and as a natural rival to Eastern?

To follow up on Pat's thoughts ... yeah, Arcadia to leave the MAC has been an ongoing topic for years now. They were in, then out, then in, then out, then ... who knows with the Atlantic East from the time the group formed until the conference officially formed. If they wanted to join the AEC, I am sure they would be welcomed.

I don't think Cabrini goes to the MAC. That isn't a good fit for them. I also agree that the AEC would be a better fit for Cabrini than anyone else.

I actually am not sure what other schools in the region would fit into the MAC. Everyone has either left the conference (for good reason in their minds) or doesn't really fit the group.

Thanks Dave.......and Pat. I hope that all is well with both of you and your families. Dave, what are the odds at this point of the D3 Shootout in Las Vegas this year actually taking place? Your coverage is outstanding!!!

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I can understand the MAC adding York to the Commonwealth and switching Lycoming to the Freedom to balance the divisions numerically, but why switch Eastern and Arcadia? They're only a few miles apart so the disruption doesn't seem to warrant a switch.

I've heard more off and on rumors about an Arcadia departure from the MAC (Atlantic East?). Would a Cabrini consider a move to the MAC as a replacement and as a natural rival to Eastern?

To follow up on Pat's thoughts ... yeah, Arcadia to leave the MAC has been an ongoing topic for years now. They were in, then out, then in, then out, then ... who knows with the Atlantic East from the time the group formed until the conference officially formed. If they wanted to join the AEC, I am sure they would be welcomed.

I don't think Cabrini goes to the MAC. That isn't a good fit for them. I also agree that the AEC would be a better fit for Cabrini than anyone else.

I actually am not sure what other schools in the region would fit into the MAC. Everyone has either left the conference (for good reason in their minds) or doesn't really fit the group.

Thanks Dave.......and Pat. I hope that all is well with both of you and your families. Dave, what are the odds at this point of the D3 Shootout in Las Vegas this year actually taking place? Your coverage is outstanding!!!

Well Pat is a much a part of that question as I would be. I think we are simply letting things play out at this point. I wouldn't want to put odds on it. I could envision things settling down and we get out there and have a great event. I could also envision things are postponed, unfortunately, this season as teams can't make it or it isn't the right time to do it.

Time will tell. I am in no rush to make that decision, personally. It will have to be made at some point, I know.

Thanks for the kind words. It is a team project. I know I had to lean on the guys a bit last year and I will need to lean on them more if we have it this year (if I can make it), so they deserve just as much credit.

[Pat Coleman]

I obviously would love to see us have a D3hoops.com Classic in Las Vegas. There are a lot of moving parts to consider, between any local government considerations, the schools themselves, travel, etc.

I also won't be making a wager on this but we obviously do have to consider that the world at the end of December could look vastly different.

[monsoon]

Haven't seen it listed here yet:

Louisiana College leaving the ASC to move back to NAIA for 2021-'22 season.

https://www.d3sports.com/notables/2020/07/louisiana-college-headed-for-naia

[jmcozenlaw]

Haven't seen it listed here yet:

Louisiana College leaving the ASC to move back to NAIA for 2021-'22 season.

https://www.d3sports.com/notables/2020/07/louisiana-college-headed-for-naia

Was actually a featured story on D3Football.com on July 1.

[monsoon]

Haven't seen it listed here yet:

Louisiana College leaving the ASC to move back to NAIA for 2021-'22 season.

https://www.d3sports.com/notables/2020/07/louisiana-college-headed-for-naia

Was actually a featured story on D3Football.com on July 1.

Yes; I linked the d3sports article. I meant it hadn't appeared in this thread yet.

[jmcozenlaw]

Haven't seen it listed here yet:

Louisiana College leaving the ASC to move back to NAIA for 2021-'22 season.

https://www.d3sports.com/notables/2020/07/louisiana-college-headed-for-naia

Was actually a featured story on D3Football.com on July 1.

Yes; I linked the d3sports article. I meant it hadn't appeared in this thread yet.

Gotcha!

[gordonmann]

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Provisional Pipeline for 2020-21
First year full members: Brevard, Dean, Pfeiffer
*3rd year provisional members: SUNY Delhi, Johnson and Wales (Colo.)
2nd year provisional members: Pratt, University of St Thomas (Texas), Mississippi University for Women.
1st year provisional members: Bob Jones, Warren Wilson
Exploratory: Manor College

*Games against Year 3 and 4 provisional members count the same as games against full-members for regional-ranking and tournament selection purposes

JWU-Denver (SCAC) ends athletics immediately
MacMurray (SLIAC) closes its doors

Conference Changes Starting in 2020-2021
Arcadia shifts from the MAC Commonwealth to the MAC Freedom
Cazenovia leaves the NEAC for the NAC
D'Youville leaves the AMCC and Division III for Division II
Dean leaves the NECC for the GNAC
Eastern shifts from the MAC Freedom to the MAC Commonwealth
Finlandia joins the CAC as part of the ACAA-CAC merger
Franciscan leaves the AMCC for the Presidents' Athletic Conference
Keuka leaves the NEAC for the E8
Lycoming shifts from the MAC Commonwealth to the MAC Freedom
Pine Manor joins the CAC as part of the ACAA-CAC merger*
Pratt joins the CAC as part of the ACAA-CAC merger
Suffolk leaves the GNAC for the CCC
SUNY Cobleskill leaves the NEAC for the NAC
SUNY Delhi leaves the ACAA for the NAC
SUNY Poly leaves the NEAC for the NAC
UC Santa Cruz joins the CAC as part of the ACAA-CAC merger
Valley Forge leaves the ACAA for the CSAC
York (Pa.) leaves the CAC for the MAC Commonwealth

* I assume Pine Manor will compete in the CAC in 2020-21 and then end athletics as part of its two-year "teach out" period with Boston College.

Conference Changes Starting in 2021-2022
Iowa Wesleyan leaves SLIAC and NCAA for NAIA
Louisiana College leaves ASC and NCAA for NAIA
Mary Baldwin will add men's program, begin play in the USA South (tentative)
Southern Virginia leaves the CAC for the USA South
St. Mary's (Md.) leaves the CAC for the NEAC
St. Norbert leaves the MWC for the NACC
St. Thomas involuntarily removed from MIAC, will go to
St. Scholastica leaves the UMAC for the MIAC

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Wesley will continue as Wesley for the time being, but they're being purchased by Delaware State, so we'll have to watch for future changes after 20-21.

[ronk]

Wesley will continue as Wesley for the time being, but they're being purchased by Delaware State, so we'll have to watch for future changes after 20-21.

Is that in the same sense of Jim Valvano evaluating high school ballers back in the day while wearing a shirt that said Iona College and having people tell him that he wasn't old enough to own a college?