Conference changes

[Greek Tragedy]

Wesley will continue as Wesley for the time being, but they're being purchased by Delaware State, so we'll have to watch for future changes after 20-21.

Is that in the same sense of Jim Valvano evaluating high school ballers back in the day while wearing a shirt that said Iona College and having people tell him that he wasn't old enough to own a college?

Stick to your day job, ronk. LOL   

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Wesley will continue as Wesley for the time being, but they're being purchased by Delaware State, so we'll have to watch for future changes after 20-21.

Is that in the same sense of Jim Valvano evaluating high school ballers back in the day while wearing a shirt that said Iona College and having people tell him that he wasn't old enough to own a college?

Stick to your day job, ronk. LOL   

No, that was a thing.  He'd introduce himself "Jim Valvano, Iona College" and people thought he was bragging.

[jeffconn]

St. Thomas got the OK to move up to Division I, and will start the transition in 2021-22.
https://news.stthomas.edu/july-15-2020-press-release/

[CNU85]

St. Thomas got the OK to move up to Division I, and will start the transition in 2021-22.
https://news.stthomas.edu/july-15-2020-press-release/

Good to see they landed on their feet in what seems to be a nice position. It was interesting to see how the NCAA handled the D3 to D1 move. It will be fun to watch the Tommies success in the future! I also wonder if any other institutions will follow suit in the years ahead now that a road map has been established.

[jmcozenlaw]

St. Thomas got the OK to move up to Division I, and will start the transition in 2021-22.
https://news.stthomas.edu/july-15-2020-press-release/

Good to see they landed on their feet in what seems to be a nice position. It was interesting to see how the NCAA handled the D3 to D1 move. It will be fun to watch the Tommies success in the future! I also wonder if any other institutions will follow suit in the years ahead now that a road map has been established.

It is time for Rowan to put their actions where their mouth's have been.

At the rate they are growing.................and the plans for much more growth (that are locked within the "double secret probation" safe), it's time to move on. If St. Thomas can do it, surely Rowan can as well. There is a fairly local FCS conference that would be a natural!!

[Inkblot]

It is time for Rowan to put their actions where their mouth's have been.

At the rate they are growing.................and the plans for much more growth (that are locked within the "double secret probation" safe), it's time to move on. If St. Thomas can do it, surely Rowan can as well. Their is a fairly local FCS conference that would be a natural!!

The last New Jersey public university to move to Division I had to wait over a decade before getting into a regional conference.

[CNU85]

St. Thomas got the OK to move up to Division I, and will start the transition in 2021-22.
https://news.stthomas.edu/july-15-2020-press-release/

Good to see they landed on their feet in what seems to be a nice position. It was interesting to see how the NCAA handled the D3 to D1 move. It will be fun to watch the Tommies success in the future! I also wonder if any other institutions will follow suit in the years ahead now that a road map has been established.

It is time for Rowan to put their actions where their mouth's have been.

At the rate they are growing.................and the plans for much more growth (that are locked within the "double secret probation" safe), it's time to move on. If St. Thomas can do it, surely Rowan can as well. Their is a fairly local FCS conference that would be a natural!!

Keep us posted on any Double Secret Probation Safe leaks.  There are many locally around here who feel the best option for CNU is eventual D1 and FCS.  I'm not one who favors that. I don't see a path that can make that happen with a $35 million endowment.

[jmcozenlaw]

It is time for Rowan to put their actions where their mouth's have been.

At the rate they are growing.................and the plans for much more growth (that are locked within the "double secret probation" safe), it's time to move on. If St. Thomas can do it, surely Rowan can as well. Their is a fairly local FCS conference that would be a natural!!

The last New Jersey public university to move to Division I had to wait over a decade before getting into a regional conference.

Times they are a changing and it's not just the constant same division, conference roulette. Tommies from III to I. Frostburg from III to II. Nothing will take ten years any longer. I've spoken to Neil Hartman and Doctor G and Rowan has big plans..............and staying in D-III forever is NOT part of them.

[jmcozenlaw]

St. Thomas got the OK to move up to Division I, and will start the transition in 2021-22.
https://news.stthomas.edu/july-15-2020-press-release/

Good to see they landed on their feet in what seems to be a nice position. It was interesting to see how the NCAA handled the D3 to D1 move. It will be fun to watch the Tommies success in the future! I also wonder if any other institutions will follow suit in the years ahead now that a road map has been established.

It is time for Rowan to put their actions where their mouth's have been.

At the rate they are growing.................and the plans for much more growth (that are locked within the "double secret probation" safe), it's time to move on. If St. Thomas can do it, surely Rowan can as well. Their is a fairly local FCS conference that would be a natural!!

Keep us posted on any Double Secret Probation Safe leaks.  There are many locally around here who feel the best option for CNU is eventual D1 and FCS.  I'm not one who favors that. I don't see a path that can make that happen with a $35 million endowment.

Will do CNU!! CNU would need some helicopter money imo for that to happen someday.

[CNU85]

It is time for Rowan to put their actions where their mouth's have been.

At the rate they are growing.................and the plans for much more growth (that are locked within the "double secret probation" safe), it's time to move on. If St. Thomas can do it, surely Rowan can as well. Their is a fairly local FCS conference that would be a natural!!

The last New Jersey public university to move to Division I had to wait over a decade before getting into a regional conference.

Times they are a changing and it's not just the constant same division, conference roulette. Tommies from III to I. Frostburg from III to II. Nothing will take ten years any longer. I've spoken to Neil Hartman and Doctor G and Rowan has big plans..............and staying in D-III forever is NOT part of them.

Helicopter money!!! hahaha. That's a long way from now. Perhaps some "Drone" money is available. A brief history of CNU and why the endowment will be slow to grow.
Started 1960. 2 year extension of William and Mary.
Around 1967 - four year college. Degrees read "Christopher Newport College of The College of William and Mary"
1977 - ended affiliation with W&M
Around 1991 - became University and I believe around that time the first dorm was built. So, the first 30 years, the school was for the local community. This is the main reason!
1996 Trible became President and things took off. $1.4 billion in capital expenditure. Revamped curriculum offering. Changed mission of the institution. Started building more dorms

Pretty much the folks that can really identify with CNU the most are the ones who graduated in the 21st Century. They are just now reaching the point of their careers/life where any significant helicoptering can take place. I graduated in 85 and probably the only reason I'm involved is the proximity - I drive by it to and from work every day and my commute to work is 4.5 miles.  My time at CNU was drive to class and then head to work to pay for class. Good news was...I graduated with zero college debt.

[Gregory Sager]

Around 1967 - four year college. Degrees read "Christopher Newport College of The College of William and Mary"

A college of a college? That was a bit awkward.

1977 - ended affiliation with W&M

Cue Steely Dan: "Whoa, no, William and Mary won't do."

[CNU85]

 

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

St. Thomas got the OK to move up to Division I, and will start the transition in 2021-22.
https://news.stthomas.edu/july-15-2020-press-release/

Good to see they landed on their feet in what seems to be a nice position. It was interesting to see how the NCAA handled the D3 to D1 move. It will be fun to watch the Tommies success in the future! I also wonder if any other institutions will follow suit in the years ahead now that a road map has been established.

Not really how "the NCAA" handled the move, but how DI handled the move. This isn't an Indy decision or anyone at NCAA headquarters. Like everything, this is how DI has decided to handle this idea. I am not sure why their change in position on DIIIs transferring up, but they have. What is stranger is they are coming up with plan moving forward, but have skipped DI approval in January to get UST in place. If they were planning to do that in the first place, why didn't they do it already?

As for CNU, I have said this before, but ... CNU moving up divisions removes what makes them unique. They would be come just like every other college in their area and region. What makes CNU unique in the Virginia Beach larger region is that they have a big school feel in terms of athletics but are not a DI or DII institution. Once they enter the higher division world, they are now fighting for the same students as the other institutions without much unique to offer. Currently they can say they are a program that competes for championships with terrific facilities and a tremendous education. Why would they want to lose what works for them? I think that is the part of the decision that has to be considered ... on top of the costs of such a move. Even CNU's facilities would need to be upgraded.

This is similar to those who tell me Salisbury is either looking into it or considering it. What makes Salisbury unique is they can get DI talent who aren't interested in playing for either institutions that aren't that competitive OR won't really get a chance to play on larger programs. If Salisbury decides to climb the ladder, the recruits they have been getting especially in sports like lacrosse will no longer find Salisbury as attractive an option. They will be just like the rest.

As for Rowan - yep, it's time to see what they really have planned. It has long been rumored they wanted to go to DI and have been frustrated by DII not accepting them or having a home for them (which could be changing as I understand it with some conferences losing members to other conferences and closures, but I admit to not paying that much attention to DII). If Rowan really wants to be DI, this is their opportunity to at least indicate that. They may get rejected by DI (I think this "plan" is not going to be very successful for a lot who may think it makes sense), but at least they show they were serious ... versus just rumors and false moves they have shown over the years.

And again, this "plan" for a DIII to transfer to DI is not something that just opens up some huge "door" for DIIIs. It is not going to be easy to transition and with the college economics changing incredibly fast right now and in the wrong direction spending money to get to DI and have the "glory" of DI just isn't feasible. I may be a pessimist in this case, but I hope this works for UST. I worry the economics aren't as strong as they were a year ago (and yes, I understand the "they don't have a conference" thing; bridge to cross only if they weren't going to DI). The selfish side of me also doesn't want to lose a school like UST out of the division, but ... anyway ...

[Inkblot]

I found this release on SUNY Delhi's website: https://delhibroncos.com/general/2019-20/releases/20200630gwrew3

The NCAA Division III Membership Committee announced that it has advanced SUNY Delhi to its third and final year of provisional membership entering the 2020-21 year. The committee communicated that SUNY Delhi has fulfilled all requirements for provisional membership for the 2019-20 academic year. The Broncos are scheduled to become eligible for full-time membership by the 2021-22 season.

Did they get a waiver, or does the new three-year provisional period apply to schools that were already in the process?

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I believe every team has gotten a Year 3 waiver since the proposal was launched. The new system essentially codifies how they've been operating the last couple years.