Conference changes

[CNU85]

Interesting thought for another board perhaps. But since we chatted a little about Regent exploring D3 and where they might land......where would they land if they decide to start football?

[thebear]

Fair enough. Then putting the SUNY schools from the NYC area aside, would it work for Cobleskill, Delhi and SUNY Poly to be SUNYAC-bound, if that opportunity was to occur?

The SUNYAC at one time had as many as 12 schools, but that was back before Binghamton, Albany, and Buffalo were D-I. 

Many of the SUNY schools are having enrollment problems, as liberal arts and teacher education aren't attracting the number of students they did before. 

Brockport and Geneseo cut their travel budgets [and protected football] in half with the move to the E8. 

There are 14 SUNYAC schools "upstate" when you take out Brockport and Geneseo  [leaving for E8].

Enrollments range from nearly 7,000 [Oswego] to 1,800 [Cobleskill].

You could do an East-West or Large School - Small School split and come up with 2 7-team conferences.

The way SUNY funds athletics [through student fees] puts the smaller schools at a significant disadvantage to the larger schools.

[mailsy]

I don't know why I continue to read this childboard? I see conference changes for 2024-25 and see Cabrini (AEC) closes and it just continues to sadden me. It's as if I'm hoping for Cabrini not to close and I'll wake up from the nightmare.

[KnightSlappy]

We finally have a new chart confirming provisional pipeline promotions.

Provisional Pipeline for 2023-24
Full membership fall 2023: MUW
3rd year provisional members (full membership fall 2024): Asbury, Warren Wilson
2nd year provisional members: Hartford, Lyon
1st year provisional members: Carlow
Exploratory: Penn State-Brandywine

* Games against Year 3 provisional members count the same as games against full-members for regional-ranking and tournament selection purposes

Provisional Pipeline for 2024-25
Exploratory: Regent

Conference Changes Starting in 2023-2024
Bryn Athyn leaves the CSAC for the UEC
Cairn leaves the CSAC for the UEC
Carlow joins the AMCC
Cazenovia (NAC) closes
Cedar Crest leaves the CSAC for the UEC (sponsor women's sports only)
Clarks Summit leaves the CSAC for the UEC
Eastern Nazarene leaves the NECC for the NAC
Finlandia (C2C) closes
Hartford joins the CCC
Keystone leaves the CSAC for the UEC
Lebanon Valley shifts from the MAC Commonwealth to the MAC Freedom
Lesley leaves the NECC for the NAC
Lycoming leaves the MAC Freedom for the Landmark
Lyon joins the SLIAC
Medaille (E8) closes
Mississippi University for Women (MUW) joins the SLIAC
Mitchell leaves the NECC for the GNAC
Morrisville State leaves the UEC for the NAC
New England College leaves the NECC for the GNAC
Notre Dame (MD) adds men's sports and competes in the UEC
Rosemont leaves the CSAC for the UEC
St. Elizabeth leaves the CSAC for the UEC
Salve Regina leaves the CCC for the NEWMAC
Sul Ross State (ASC) begins reclassification period to D2 (waiver allows them to count for primary criteria, ineligible for postseason)
Valley Forge leaves the CSAC for the UEC
Wells leaves the UEC for the AMCC
Wilkes leaves the MAC Freedom for the Landmark
Wilson leaves the CSAC for the UEC
NECC no longer a basketball conference due to losing all members (Pool A goes away)
CSAC dissolves (Pool A bid goes away)
Expecting 42 Pool A bids, 0 Pool B bids, 22 Pool C bids

Conference Changes Starting in 2024-2025
Asbury joins the CCS
Berea leaves the CCS for the HCAC
Brockport leaves the SUNYAC for the E8
Cabrini (AEC) closes
Concordia (Texas) leaves the ASC for the SCAC
Defiance (HCAC) leaves D3 for NAIA.
Johnson & Wales leaves the GNAC for the CCC
McMurry leaves the ASC for the SCAC
Morrisville State leaves the UEC for the SUNYAC
Pratt leaves the C2C for the AEC
SUNY Canton leaves the NAC for the SUNYAC
SUNY Geneseo leaves the SUNYAC for the E8
Texas-Dallas leaves the ASC for D2 (application process pending)
University of the Ozarks leaves the ASC for the SCAC
CCS expected to gain Pool A bid
Expecting 43 Pool A bids, 0 Pool B bids, 21 Pool C bids

Conference Changes Starting in 2025-2026
Anna Maria leaves GNAC for the MASCAC
Southwestern leaves the SCAC for the SAA
Trinity (Texas) leaves the SCAC for the SAA
Expecting 43 Pool A bids, 0 Pool B bids, 21 Pool C bids

[Ralph Turner]

If I may add this...

Conference Changes Starting in 2025-2026
Anna Maria leaves GNAC for the MASCAC
Southwestern leaves the SCAC for the SAA
Trinity (Texas) leaves the SCAC for the SAA
New England College adds football in 2024, plays limited schedule in 2024 and then joins the CCC in 2025 as a Football Affiliate
Expecting 43 Pool A bids, 0 Pool B bids, 21 Pool C bids

[Caz Bombers]

SUNY Poly from NAC to Empire 8 next season.

https://wildcats.sunypoly.edu/general/2023-24/releases/20231121f2vkw4

NAC West division now seems untenable for Delhi and Cobleskill, wonder what their plans are.

[jlog3000]

SUNY Poly from NAC to Empire 8 next season.

https://wildcats.sunypoly.edu/general/2023-24/releases/20231121f2vkw4

NAC West division now seems untenable for Delhi and Cobleskill, wonder what their plans are.

Talk about a turn of events. And no kidding with the NAC West being a bit unbalanced compared to the NAC East.

And out of hindsight, but who knows if these SUNY schools would someday apply to join the SUNYAC; while the NAC refocuses on being a New England-based conference?

[Ralph Turner]

SUNY Poly from NAC to Empire 8 next season.

https://wildcats.sunypoly.edu/general/2023-24/releases/20231121f2vkw4

NAC West division now seems untenable for Delhi and Cobleskill, wonder what their plans are.

Talk about a turn of events. And no kidding with the NAC West being a bit unbalanced compared to the NAC East.

And out of hindsight, but who knows if these SUNY schools would someday apply to join the SUNYAC; while the NAC refocuses on being a New England-based conference?

Open question to knowledgeable fans from NY...

Is Morrisville State a "mission-and-vision" match for the E8 in more sports than football? Would the E8 extend an invitation to full membership to Morrisville, now that SUNY-Poly is moving?

[Caz Bombers]

SUNY Poly from NAC to Empire 8 next season.

https://wildcats.sunypoly.edu/general/2023-24/releases/20231121f2vkw4

NAC West division now seems untenable for Delhi and Cobleskill, wonder what their plans are.

Talk about a turn of events. And no kidding with the NAC West being a bit unbalanced compared to the NAC East.

And out of hindsight, but who knows if these SUNY schools would someday apply to join the SUNYAC; while the NAC refocuses on being a New England-based conference?

Open question to knowledgeable fans from NY...

Is Morrisville State a "mission-and-vision" match for the E8 in more sports than football? Would the E8 extend an invitation to full membership to Morrisville, now that SUNY-Poly is moving?

Morrisville already accepted a SUNYAC invite along with Canton. That train left the station.

[Ralph Turner]

John Carroll to the NCAC in Fall 2025. Pundits say this is cause more dominos to fall in the Region.

[TheProvider]

Penn State Brandywine is joining the United East in '24-'25.

[ziggy]

I really missed this board. It's the only thing that could help me keep up with all the changes!

[CNU85]

Same here. The conference landscape is very confusing, even for those who know what's going on.

[Inkblot]

The membership committee has released its agenda from last month, but not its report, so there's no indication yet whether these have been approved... Penn State Brandywine applied to enter provisional membership, while Johnson & Wales (NC), Mayville State, and Regent filed exploratory applications. https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/committees/d3/memb/Feb2024D3Memb_Feb26Agenda.pdf

[ziggy]

The membership committee has released its agenda from last month, but not its report, so there's no indication yet whether these have been approved... Penn State Brandywine applied to enter provisional membership, while Johnson & Wales (NC), Mayville State, and Regent filed exploratory applications. https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/committees/d3/memb/Feb2024D3Memb_Feb26Agenda.pdf

Mayville State is interesting in that it would be the first D3 school in North Dakota and expand the current bounds of region 9. I believe the conference invitation requirement doesn't come into play for the exploratory period, only when it comes time to make the official application for provisional membership, but I wonder what initials conversations may have taken place. It would seem the UMAC and MIAC are the only logical possibilities, though the MIAC doesn't strike me as a league that would be interested in bringing in a provisional member. So, UMAC by default?