Conference changes

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Another move:

https://www.snc.edu/athletics/pressrelease/5051/


St. Norbert to the NACC.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Do you think that with the addition of York that the AEC might pick up a school or two from the MAC? I know Arcadia was one of the schools that had some plans to join the AEC. But that didn't pan out for reasons. Could those conversations begin anew and would other schools move to the AEC with the automatic bid coming into affect in the 2020-21 school year?

I doubt you'd lure any MAC schools.  The Freedom's got a nice geographic footprint and the Commonwealth now is even stronger.  It'd really have to be a school that just didn't think it could compete anymore.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I don't have the same opinion as Ryan ... the MAC seems to go through this every once in awhile, they grow and grow and eventually "disenfranchise" (depending on who you talk to) schools and they leave for other places. Landmark was the last time it happened in a significant way.

Yes, Arcadia was part of the original AEC group. What was interesting was they didn't pull the trigger while they spent an eon choosing a new president. They apparently wanted the new president to make the decision. I was told at first he was going to follow the idea and bring the school in after a year, but changed his mind and they stay in the MAC (just what I heard; I haven't talked to the President!). That said, I could see them reevaluating things and wondering if there are better places to be. The Commonwealth is now a very large and very competitive conference, though I really like how Arcadia has improved athletically over the years being in the Commonwealth (proving to naysayers that being in a competitive conference or with big programs doesn't mean one's own department cannot improve).

Who else might be interested in leaving is a wild guess. Names are always thrown around and I could pro and con or agree or disagree with all of them. The MAC may be getting too big again (theory) and that could result in some teams leaving for the AEC or even the CAC ... but for now, it is too early to see that as a certainty.

I do think there are more moves to be made in the Mid-Atlantic and neighboring regions. I need to get back to chasing (I really thought I would get a break after we broke the AEC story), but right now need to concentrate on some personal things ... and get those straightened out, first.

[Pat Coleman]

Going back one topic, I don't think 9 and 9 is better than 10 and 8. Having an odd number is not something most conferences are eager to have.

[Smitty Oom]

When a team moves from D3 to D2, is there a 5 year period where they are ineligible for postseason play, as is with a new D3 team?

[hickory_cornhusker]

When a team moves from D3 to D2, is there a 5 year period where they are ineligible for postseason play, as is with a new D3 team?

It's only 3. Remember, D2 doesn't need to worry about cleansing their program of all of those heathen athletic scholarship kids.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

DIII is really a three to four year post-season ban. Five years is a bit of a misnomer. The "first" year they aren't a member of DIII and is usually for schools outside of the NCAA. Once through that, there is a four year process that could be shortened to three if the schools is doing really, really well on the transition.

[hopefan]

Dave, wondering if Ohio Midwestern has put in their application yet to join their buddies from Bluffton in the HCAC... oh wait.... the HCAC likely states it must be an active functioning educational institution in order to be eligible to be a member... unlike Bluffton's scheduling requirements...

[Ralph Turner]

Dave, wondering if Ohio Midwestern has put in their application yet to join their buddies from Bluffton in the HCAC... oh wait.... the HCAC likely states it must be an active functioning educational institution in order to be eligible to be a member... unlike Bluffton's scheduling requirements...

LOL  That is about as close to trolling as we will ever see out of hopefan!   

[hopefan]

Dave, wondering if Ohio Midwestern has put in their application yet to join their buddies from Bluffton in the HCAC... oh wait.... the HCAC likely states it must be an active functioning educational institution in order to be eligible to be a member... unlike Bluffton's scheduling requirements...

LOL  That is about as close to trolling as we will ever see out of hopefan!   

Would love to share all the details....  would just get me in trouble...  kudos to Ryan Scott who independently found out the same things I did.. Unfortunately, I was encouraged by someone else not to share all with the D3 world....

[Pat Coleman]

I think you were encouraged to stop grinding the ax, and possibly to stop annoying SIDs, to be fair.

[hopefan]

I think you were encouraged to stop grinding the ax, and possibly to stop annoying SIDs, to be fair.

Pat... now wait... annoying SIDs is not fair....I was a gentleman the whole way until I was attacked on the phone by the Bluffton SID... all for asking who Ohio Midwestern was... you know how much I respect D3, the institutions, and what D3hoops.com does... To have a school blatantly lie to me was not acceptable, and to be honest, I was very disappointed that Dave failed to back me up.. a D3 school was scamming the public, and in particular was scamming Grove City and Albion, the other two schools in their tourney... At least one, if not both of those schools thought they were playing a legit REAL school... they were not... Either the SID lied directly to me "It's a real school", or the coach conned the SID by lying to him, convincing him it was a real school...the Bluffton coach and the AD failed to respond directly to me...I've never had that happen before.. and from another very legit source, the Bluffton coach was close friends with the "coach" of Ohio Midwestern... the implications are there... Bluffton got caught, and wouldn't admit it...

I really thought with all the facts out there, you guys should have written it up... you chose not to... but that shouldn't have pressured me not to talk about it at the time....I did honor your wishes...

[Gregory Sager]

I consider hopefan to be one of our most useful, objective, and devoted posters. He can annoy me anytime he likes.

[Pat Coleman]

I really thought with all the facts out there, you guys should have written it up... you chose not to...

I mean, I do think this is up to us to determine what we should have "written up" -- and I think the term "scamming" is unnecessarily inflammatory in this instance.

[hopefan]

I really thought with all the facts out there, you guys should have written it up... you chose not to...

I mean, I do think this is up to us to determine what we should have "written up" -- and I think the term "scamming" is unnecessarily inflammatory in this instance.

heck Pat, I'll continue the conversation... why is the term scamming unncessarily inflammatory?   why would that be a wrong word... if not scamming, how should it be defined?  They presented a pickup team as a real college team.. and I firmly believe they knew that... instead of Ohio Midwestern University, why not Ohio Midwestern guys from the corner....
All I know that of all the D3 teams out there, I have lost respect for only one... and it's Bluffton....

Scam definition is - a fraudulent or deceptive act or operation