Conference changes

[gordonmann]

Ha!

[Gregory Sager]

Conference Changes Starting in 2014-2015
Wilson to add Men's basketball and join the NEAC

According to my math, adding Wilson and Centenary (La.) and subtracting Mississippi College makes 410 full-members on the men's side.

I'm just happy that Wilson has added men's volleyball. It only seems right.

[hopefan]

I'm just happy that Wilson has added men's volleyball. It only seems right.

Sager does it again.... +1

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Conference Changes Starting in 2014-2015
Wilson to add Men's basketball and join the NEAC

According to my math, adding Wilson and Centenary (La.) and subtracting Mississippi College makes 410 full-members on the men's side. That should mean a 63rd bid for the 2015-16 season.

If the provisional pipeline (and access ratio) holds, the 64th bid would come in 2017-18.

This may be on hold... due to budget constraints. I am working on an answer and it will certainly be a topic of discussion when I sit down with Dan Dutcher, VP for Division III, in a few weeks for our annual State of D3 interview.

What I have been learning is there is so much concern about the $2 million hole that raising the accessibility to the championships from 6.5:1 to 8 or 9:1 is being seriously debated. Thus, they are holding all championships from growing any further. Now, they wouldn't pull bids away from the tournaments, but further growth would be based on a new ratio. In other words, the tournaments won't go from 64 and 62 teams to less... the men's tournament just won't gain those two other bids as quickly as originally expected under the current ratio.

That all being said, I think there is also some serious momentum of raising the annual dues for schools which I believe stands around $400 to $600 a year. That rate has not changed since the 1980s. I think there are a lot of people and schools who would be happy to raise their dues (maybe to $1,000) to help offset the budget constraints. Keep in mind, those who are part of the ECAC I think pay $3,500 a year and they have to pay for the tournaments they travel to or host.

[KnightSlappy]

Conference Changes Starting in 2014-2015
Wilson to add Men's basketball and join the NEAC

According to my math, adding Wilson and Centenary (La.) and subtracting Mississippi College makes 410 full-members on the men's side. That should mean a 63rd bid for the 2015-16 season.

If the provisional pipeline (and access ratio) holds, the 64th bid would come in 2017-18.

This may be on hold... due to budget constraints. I am working on an answer and it will certainly be a topic of discussion when I sit down with Dan Dutcher, VP for Division III, in a few weeks for our annual State of D3 interview.

What I have been learning is there is so much concern about the $2 million hole that raising the accessibility to the championships from 6.5:1 to 8 or 9:1 is being seriously debated. Thus, they are holding all championships from growing any further. Now, they wouldn't pull bids away from the tournaments, but further growth would be based on a new ratio. In other words, the tournaments won't go from 64 and 62 teams to less... the men's tournament just won't gain those two other bids as quickly as originally expected under the current ratio.

That all being said, I think there is also some serious momentum of raising the annual dues for schools which I believe stands around $400 to $600 a year. That rate has not changed since the 1980s. I think there are a lot of people and schools who would be happy to raise their dues (maybe to $1,000) to help offset the budget constraints. Keep in mind, those who are part of the ECAC I think pay $3,500 a year and they have to pay for the tournaments they travel to or host.

at 9:1, the 64th bid would come with member #576.

[mailsy]

Conference Changes Starting in 2014-2015
Wilson to add Men's basketball and join the NEAC

According to my math, adding Wilson and Centenary (La.) and subtracting Mississippi College makes 410 full-members on the men's side. That should mean a 63rd bid for the 2015-16 season.

If the provisional pipeline (and access ratio) holds, the 64th bid would come in 2017-18.

This may be on hold... due to budget constraints. I am working on an answer and it will certainly be a topic of discussion when I sit down with Dan Dutcher, VP for Division III, in a few weeks for our annual State of D3 interview.

What I have been learning is there is so much concern about the $2 million hole that raising the accessibility to the championships from 6.5:1 to 8 or 9:1 is being seriously debated. Thus, they are holding all championships from growing any further. Now, they wouldn't pull bids away from the tournaments, but further growth would be based on a new ratio. In other words, the tournaments won't go from 64 and 62 teams to less... the men's tournament just won't gain those two other bids as quickly as originally expected under the current ratio.

That all being said, I think there is also some serious momentum of raising the annual dues for schools which I believe stands around $400 to $600 a year. That rate has not changed since the 1980s. I think there are a lot of people and schools who would be happy to raise their dues (maybe to $1,000) to help offset the budget constraints. Keep in mind, those who are part of the ECAC I think pay $3,500 a year and they have to pay for the tournaments they travel to or host.

at 9:1, the 64th bid would come with member #576.

Heck, to get to the 64th, every conference just has to add about 4 more teams. 

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

FYI - this is true across the board, despite I think lacrosse adding another team to the tournament this year. Also, I believe all sports that have tournaments have the ability to go to 64 except football which is locked in at 32 and would need legislative approval to move beyond that number... something I know is in the back of football minds as the sport expands and more conferences get AQs.

[ziggy]

FYI - this is true across the board, despite I think lacrosse adding another team to the tournament this year. Also, I believe all sports that have tournaments have the ability to go to 64 except football which is locked in at 32 and would need legislative approval to move beyond that number... something I know is in the back of football minds as the sport expands and more conferences get AQs.

I'd like to see the NCAA continue allow growth in the Men's basketball tournament up to 64 teams but would have no problem capping it there. The cost difference just seems so marginal to not allow the bracket to mature into a full tree.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Well it would be capped at 64... no tournament can go beyond 64 (except football which is capped at 32). So that isn't the concern... it's the several million dollar budget shortfall that is almost entirely because of championship tournaments.

[sac]

Chatham, which is a member of the Presidents' Athletic Conference in women's basketball, recently decided to admit men. They'll start a men's program next year.

http://www.pacathletics.org/news/2014/8/24/MBB_0824145017.aspx

backtracking to this, if I'm not mistaken the addition of Chatham would push the Great Lakes Region to a 9th ranking slot on the men's side.  (should already be there on the women's side)


Not insignificant.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

This is the summary I did on the regional realignment board when the news first came out.  It may need to be updated a little with additions (like Chatham), but it's a place to start.

Penn State-Harrisburg, Christopher Newport, and Southern Virginia will be added to the CAC.  That will change a few things.

Harrisburg won't be going to the East with the NEAC; Christopher Newport will be coming to the Mid-Atlantic from the South and Southern Virginia is provisional and not on any lists yet.


So what we're looking at:

Northeast - 12 now, 12 then
East - 6 now, 6 then (although adding a net of two teams)
Atlantic - 5 now, 7 then (adding a net of 17 teams)
Mid-Atlantic - 9 now, 6 then (losing a net of 24 teams)
South - 8 now, 8 then (net change of 0)
Great Lakes - 6 now, 9 then (gaining 17)
Midwest - 8 now, 8 then (net change of 0)
West - 9 now, 7 then (net loss of 11)

There are some provisional schools that have to fill in there, so the numbers might change a little, but this should be the new picture for regional rankings.  Clearly the Atlantic and Great Lakes are getting larger at the expense of the Mid-Atlantic and West, but it should help all regions in the end (except the NE, which stays exactly the same).

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Chatham, which is a member of the Presidents' Athletic Conference in women's basketball, recently decided to admit men. They'll start a men's program next year.

http://www.pacathletics.org/news/2014/8/24/MBB_0824145017.aspx

backtracking to this, if I'm not mistaken the addition of Chatham would push the Great Lakes Region to a 9th ranking slot on the men's side.  (should already be there on the women's side)


Not insignificant.

My calculations had them at 9 ranking spots already anyway.

[sac]

Chatham, which is a member of the Presidents' Athletic Conference in women's basketball, recently decided to admit men. They'll start a men's program next year.

http://www.pacathletics.org/news/2014/8/24/MBB_0824145017.aspx

backtracking to this, if I'm not mistaken the addition of Chatham would push the Great Lakes Region to a 9th ranking slot on the men's side.  (should already be there on the women's side)


Not insignificant.

My calculations had them at 9 ranking spots already anyway.

With the HCAC the Great Lakes has 59 teams.  With a 6.5 ratio, that's 9.07 ranking slots, or by NCAA math 9 ranking slots (the NCAA doesn't round up anything).  Chatham would make 60.

I missed one school in my mental math, and 58 would have left them one school short, hence my over exuberant excitement for Chatham.

[CityD3]

Announced today: St. Joseph's Brooklyn to join Skyline Conference in 2015-2016:

http://www.sjcbears.com/news/2014-15/st-josephs-brooklyn-joins-skyline-conference

[KnightSlappy]

Conference Changes Starting in 2014-2015
Bryn Athyn joins the NEAC (should be a 1st year provisional member in 2014-15)
Elizabethtown leaves the MACC for the LAND
McMurry rejoins Division III and the ASC (should be Year 1 reclassifying member in 2014-15)
Mississippi College leaves the ASC for Division II  (Going to the D-2 Gulf South Conference)
Penn College joins the NEAC (should be a 1st year provisional member in 2014-15)
Sarah Lawrence joins the SKY (should be a 4th year provisional in 2014-15, skipping Provisional Year 3 via NCAA waiver)
Wilson to add Men's basketball and join the NEAC
Midwest Region renamed Central Region in Men's Basketball
CAC realigned from multi-region to Mid-Atlantic Region
CSAC realigned from Mid-Atlantic to Atlantic Region
HCAC realigned from Central to Great Lakes Region
LAND realigned from multi-region to Mid-Atlantic Region
MACF realigned from Mid-Atlantic to Atlantic Region
NEAC realigned from mult-region to East Region
WIAC realigned from West to Central Region

Provisional Pipeline for 2014-2015
(First year of full membership: Centenary (La.))
4th year provisional members: Sarah Lawrence, SUNY-Canton
3rd year provisional members: Houghton, Southern Virginia, Valley Forge
2nd year provisional members: Iowa Wesleyan
1st year provisional members: Bryn Athyn, Penn College, Berea, Alfred State, Illinois Tech, McMurry (reclassifying)
Exploratory members: Belhaven
*Alfred State and Illinois Tech were not advanced to Year 2 status.

Conference Changes Starting in 2015-2016
Belhaven joins the ASC (should be Year 1 Provisional Member)
Chatham to add Men's basketball and join the PrAC.
St. Josephs (Blkyn.) leaves the independent ranks and joins the SKY
UW-Superior leaves the WIAC for the UMAC

Conference Changes Starting in 2016-2017
Carroll leaves the MWC for the CCIW