Conference changes

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Forgot to update the answer I got ... sorry for the delay.

Conference has to be four members to be a true conference in the eyes of the NCAA. I can't remember the ramifications, but I am quite sure the commissioner doesn't get a vote if they aren't at four. There could be other items, but I am not exactly sure as I haven't researched that part of it.

There was an article out in the Virginia Pilot which is interesting ... some quotes to take out of it that makes you wonder what the CAC has planned. I am not going to read into anything, but I will be back to my seemingly unending effort to ask those in the know: https://www.pilotonline.com/sports/vp-sp-cnu-capital-athletic-future-1218-20191217-avqntv3nsrc7neymrmxhsyvnwe-story.html

[KnightSlappy]

Is Staten Island counting as a D3 this year? I had them as D2 but the Pre-Championship Handbook has them included as postseason eligible.

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/basketball/d3/men/2019-20D3MBB_PreChampsManual.pdf

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Is Staten Island counting as a D3 this year? I had them as D2 but the Pre-Championship Handbook has them included as postseason eligible.

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/basketball/d3/men/2019-20D3MBB_PreChampsManual.pdf

Did that just come out?  I looked for it last night at 10pm and couldn't find it.

[deiscanton]

Is Staten Island counting as a D3 this year? I had them as D2 but the Pre-Championship Handbook has them included as postseason eligible.

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/basketball/d3/men/2019-20D3MBB_PreChampsManual.pdf

Did that just come out?  I looked for it last night at 10pm and couldn't find it.

It apparently did just come out this morning, as KnightSlappy provided the link in his post.  More likely, there is a misprint in the men's handbook, as the women's handbook only has the CUNYAC at 8 teams, and does not list Staten Island as one of them.

I also checked the D2 Men's and Women's Tournament handbooks.  The D2 Women's Handbook has Staten Island as an ECC member not eligible.for the D2 Tournament, while Staten Island is not listed as an ECC member in the D2 Men's handbook.  There must be a mistake in the D2 Men's Handbook as well.

[Inkblot]

Staten Island is a first-year provisional Division II member. Due to the McMurry rule, such teams are not eligible for Division III championships. They are still playing a full CUNYAC schedule and still listed as a member on the CUNYAC site, but will not have an official conference record, nor will games against them count as conference games for the other CUNYAC teams. In September the Division III Championships Committee agreed to allow CUNYAC schools to count Staten Island as a Division III opponent for scheduling requirements and selection criteria; there's no indication that they count for non-CUNYAC schools.

CSI, for their part, has the East Coast Conference logo on their site and no CUNYAC logo; the ECC doesn't list CSI as a member. CSI only plays six Division II opponents this season, but as far as I know they count as a D2 opponent for those schools.

[KnightSlappy]

Is Staten Island counting as a D3 this year? I had them as D2 but the Pre-Championship Handbook has them included as postseason eligible.

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/basketball/d3/men/2019-20D3MBB_PreChampsManual.pdf

Did that just come out?  I looked for it last night at 10pm and couldn't find it.

It apparently did just come out this morning, as KnightSlappy provided the link in his post.  More likely, there is a misprint in the men's handbook, as the women's handbook only has the CUNYAC at 8 teams, and does not list Staten Island as one of them.

I also checked the D2 Men's and Women's Tournament handbooks.  The D2 Women's Handbook has Staten Island as an ECC member not eligible.for the D2 Tournament, while Staten Island is not listed as an ECC member in the D2 Men's handbook.  There must be a mistake in the D2 Men's Handbook as well.

I must have gotten lucky with the timing. I looked for it a couple weeks back and it was not out at that time. I looked for it again today when ronk pointed out that I hadn't updated the regions for the conference movers yet over on the Pool C board.

Us finding an error within 24 hrs of release is par for the course, however.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Staten Island is a first-year provisional Division II member. Due to the McMurry rule, such teams are not eligible for Division III championships. They are still playing a full CUNYAC schedule and still listed as a member on the CUNYAC site, but will not have an official conference record, nor will games against them count as conference games for the other CUNYAC teams. In September the Division III Championships Committee agreed to allow CUNYAC schools to count Staten Island as a Division III opponent for scheduling requirements and selection criteria; there's no indication that they count for non-CUNYAC schools.

CSI, for their part, has the East Coast Conference logo on their site and no CUNYAC logo; the ECC doesn't list CSI as a member. CSI only plays six Division II opponents this season, but as far as I know they count as a D2 opponent for those schools.

CSI games are also counting for the CUNYAC as conference games.

[hopefan]

Staten Island is a first-year provisional Division II member. Due to the McMurry rule, such teams are not eligible for Division III championships. They are still playing a full CUNYAC schedule and still listed as a member on the CUNYAC site, but will not have an official conference record, nor will games against them count as conference games for the other CUNYAC teams. In September the Division III Championships Committee agreed to allow CUNYAC schools to count Staten Island as a Division III opponent for scheduling requirements and selection criteria; there's no indication that they count for non-CUNYAC schools.

CSI, for their part, has the East Coast Conference logo on their site and no CUNYAC logo; the ECC doesn't list CSI as a member. CSI only plays six Division II opponents this season, but as far as I know they count as a D2 opponent for those schools.

CSI games are also counting for the CUNYAC as conference games.

No they are not... check the CUNY standings on the Cuny site...CSI at 0-0, games with CSI not included in conference w/l of other teams...

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Staten Island is a first-year provisional Division II member. Due to the McMurry rule, such teams are not eligible for Division III championships. They are still playing a full CUNYAC schedule and still listed as a member on the CUNYAC site, but will not have an official conference record, nor will games against them count as conference games for the other CUNYAC teams. In September the Division III Championships Committee agreed to allow CUNYAC schools to count Staten Island as a Division III opponent for scheduling requirements and selection criteria; there's no indication that they count for non-CUNYAC schools.

CSI, for their part, has the East Coast Conference logo on their site and no CUNYAC logo; the ECC doesn't list CSI as a member. CSI only plays six Division II opponents this season, but as far as I know they count as a D2 opponent for those schools.

CSI games are also counting for the CUNYAC as conference games.

No they are not... check the CUNY standings on the Cuny site...CSI at 0-0, games with CSI not included in conference w/l of other teams...

I mean they count for the other teams.  At least, that's what we were told.

[Inkblot]

I mean they count for the other teams.  At least, that's what we were told.

Medgar Evers beat Staten Island on December 6, yet both their site and the CUNYAC site list them as 0-2 in conference.

[deiscanton]

I mean they count for the other teams.  At least, that's what we were told.

Medgar Evers beat Staten Island on December 6, yet both their site and the CUNYAC site list them as 0-2 in conference.

The DIII Championships Committee, at their September 2019 meeting, granted a waiver to allow the other CUNYAC schools to count their contests against Staten Island as a primary criteria in region non conference opponent for purposes of the 70 percent in region requirement and for purposes of Pool C at large selection.  All other D3 schools must put the Staten Island contests into the secondary criteria.

[hopefan]

I agree with Inkblot...for example, John Jay has wins over CCNY, Lehman, and Staten Island, but their record reads 2-0 on the CUNY site... and notice desicanton's writeup refers to in region non conference opponent...

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

The key was that the committee didn't want the CUNYAC to be screwed in their schedules and such because CSI made a relatively last minute decision to jump to DII. Not enough time to necessarily solve the loss of two games for many.

[CNU85]

And the CAC is already on the Pool A clock now because they have just 6 this season. They'll be in Pool B in 21-22 if they try to survive so they don't have the luxury of having plenty of time to bolster their ranks.

Assuming St Mary's is the one who will make the announcement (since the three listed in the post prior didn't include them) I think the best fits for the remaining schools geographically would be CNU and Mary Washington to the ODAC and Salisbury to the CC.

I think the ODAC charter states Private schools only.

[CNU85]

Forgot to update the answer I got ... sorry for the delay.

Conference has to be four members to be a true conference in the eyes of the NCAA. I can't remember the ramifications, but I am quite sure the commissioner doesn't get a vote if they aren't at four. There could be other items, but I am not exactly sure as I haven't researched that part of it.

There was an article out in the Virginia Pilot which is interesting ... some quotes to take out of it that makes you wonder what the CAC has planned. I am not going to read into anything, but I will be back to my seemingly unending effort to ask those in the know: https://www.pilotonline.com/sports/vp-sp-cnu-capital-athletic-future-1218-20191217-avqntv3nsrc7neymrmxhsyvnwe-story.html

Interesting how detailed the story covered the issue. The ACAA model will only solve about a 3rd of the sponsored sports issue. If you look at the sports/teams in the ACAA, it doesn't cover all the bases. And a conference affiliation such as this only addresses the AQ situation. It doesn't resolve scheduling issues for some sports such as basketball once January rolls around.