Conference changes

[stlawus]

I guess I already had it in my head they made the move and would move up after this upcoming season.  Probably going to be several years then.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I guess I already had it in my head they made the move and would move up after this upcoming season.  Probably going to be several years then.

I think they were hopeful it would be quicker.

[Ralph Turner]

If the AQ for football remains at 7, and the E8 drops to 6, with the departure of Utica, whom does the E8 poach invite to affiliate/join? (Please remember that the E8 needs baseball members, too.)

Any offseason speculation?

[stlawus]

AQ is now 6.   They technically don't need another member, but I'm sure they'll look for one.  I get the feeling original E8 schools like SJF, Alfred and Naz will be looking to move, as that conference has become a bit diluted in terms of competition with the new additions.  Ithaca joined the Liberty League partly due to that.

[Inkblot]

Hilbert is the most obvious E8 football candidate.

[Ralph Turner]

AQ is now 6.   They technically don't need another member, but I'm sure they'll look for one.  I get the feeling original E8 schools like SJF, Alfred and Naz will be looking to move, as that conference has become a bit diluted in terms of competition with the new additions.  Ithaca joined the Liberty League partly due to that.

... so what you are surmising/suggesting is that SJF, Alfred and Naz would like to move to the Liberty League, too?

What other option might there be?

Thanks

[Caz Bombers]

Wells from United East to AMCC next year.

https://www.amccsports.org/general/2022-23/releases/Wells_Announcement

The UEC will be down to 7 members (entirely in PA/MD/DC) as we already knew Morrisville was moving to the NAC.

[Inkblot]

Provisional Pipeline for 2022-23
Full membership fall 2022: Pratt, University of St Thomas (Texas)
3rd year provisional members (full membership fall 2023): Bob Jones, Mississippi University for Women
2nd year provisional members: Asbury, Warren Wilson
1st year provisional members: Hartford, Lyon
Exploratory: Carlow

* Games against Year 3 provisional members count the same as games against full-members for regional-ranking and tournament selection purposes

Conference Changes Starting in 2022-2023
Allegheny leaves the NCAC for the PAC
Averett leaves the USAC for the ODAC
Mississippi University for Women (MUW) joins the SLIAC
Medaille leaves the AMCC for the Empire 8
Warren Wilson joins the C2C
Belhaven leaves the ASC for the Collegiate Conference of the South
Agnes Scott, Berea, Covenant, Huntingdon, LaGrange, Maryville, Piedmont, and Wesleyan (GA) leave the USAC for the Collegiate Conference of the South

Conference Changes Starting in 2023-2024
Carlow joins the AMCC
Hartford joins the CCC
Lebanon Valley shifts from the MAC Commonwealth to the MAC Freedom
Lesley leaves the NECC for the NAC
Lycoming leaves the MAC Freedom for the Landmark
Morrisville State leaves the UEC for the NAC
Wells leaves the UEC for the AMCC
Wilkes leaves the MAC Freedom for the Landmark

[Inkblot]

Updated to include Lyon to the SLIAC (also Salve Regina to the NEWMAC was missing)

Provisional Pipeline for 2022-23
Full membership fall 2022: Pratt, University of St Thomas (Texas)
3rd year provisional members (full membership fall 2023): Bob Jones, Mississippi University for Women
2nd year provisional members: Asbury, Warren Wilson
1st year provisional members: Hartford, Lyon
Exploratory: Carlow

* Games against Year 3 provisional members count the same as games against full-members for regional-ranking and tournament selection purposes

Conference Changes Starting in 2022-2023
Allegheny leaves the NCAC for the PAC
Averett leaves the USAC for the ODAC
Mississippi University for Women (MUW) joins the SLIAC
Medaille leaves the AMCC for the Empire 8
Warren Wilson joins the C2C
Belhaven leaves the ASC for the Collegiate Conference of the South
Agnes Scott, Berea, Covenant, Huntingdon, LaGrange, Maryville, Piedmont, and Wesleyan (GA) leave the USAC for the Collegiate Conference of the South

Conference Changes Starting in 2023-2024
Carlow joins the AMCC
Hartford joins the CCC
Lebanon Valley shifts from the MAC Commonwealth to the MAC Freedom
Lesley leaves the NECC for the NAC
Lycoming leaves the MAC Freedom for the Landmark
Lyon joins the SLIAC
Morrisville State leaves the UEC for the NAC
Salve Regina leaves the CCC for the NEWMAC
Wells leaves the UEC for the AMCC
Wilkes leaves the MAC Freedom for the Landmark

[Ralph Turner]

And, I assume that Lyon becomes a Football affiliate for the UMAC, and they are glad to have them.

[Pat Coleman]

I chatted with Lyon today -- that is not part of this package. They may well end up doing that, but it hasn't happened today.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Our list has MUW in the SLIAC this year, but the Lyon announcement has them joining in 2023-24 (along with Lyon) - plus, the MUW MBB schedule is posted and it doesn't include conference games, so it's likely they're still a year off.

[jeffconn]

Our list has MUW in the SLIAC this year, but the Lyon announcement has them joining in 2023-24 (along with Lyon) - plus, the MUW MBB schedule is posted and it doesn't include conference games, so it's likely they're still a year off.

Yep, MUW's other sports schedules still finish with the respective USCAA championships, and MUW isn't listed in the SLIAC standings for any sport.

[Ralph Turner]

And, I assume that Lyon becomes a Football affiliate for the UMAC, and they are glad to have them.

Travel for both conferences will be tough, but roughly speaking, it is
300 miles to Marshall TX (ETBU)
400 miles to Sherman TX (Austin College)
550 miles to Belton TX (UMHB)
580 miles to Brownwood (HPU)
600 miles to Abilene (HSU & McMurry)
650 miles to Seguin (TLU)
900 miles to Alpine (Sul Ross State)

In the UMAC

270 miles to Fulton MO (Westminster)
315 miles to Greenville IL (Greenville)
736 miles to New Ulm MN (Martin Luther)
750 miles to Roseville MN (Northwestern)
750 miles to St Bonifacius MN (Crown)
900 miles to Morris MN (MN-Morris)
940 miles to Hancock MI (Finlandia)


Is it easier to sell a football program to a high school student in Arkansas who reads about the SEC all of the time and the Razorbacks playing UT and A&M, then going to play football games in Texas, or traveling 900 miles north to play in a snowstorm in late October/early November?
I believe that Lyon would be more successful in the UMAC than going up against UMHB, HSU and that next tier of ASC competition.

Having looked at the data, I wonder if affirming its conference affiliation as a SLIAC school is the difference.

[Inkblot]

MUW was originally set to join the SLIAC when they finished provisional membership, but then they had to repeat Year Two, so I'd assume that's why they're pushing back the join date.

Provisional Pipeline for 2022-23
Full membership fall 2022: Pratt, University of St Thomas (Texas)
3rd year provisional members (full membership fall 2023): Bob Jones, Mississippi University for Women
2nd year provisional members: Asbury, Warren Wilson
1st year provisional members: Hartford, Lyon
Exploratory: Carlow

* Games against Year 3 provisional members count the same as games against full-members for regional-ranking and tournament selection purposes

Conference Changes Starting in 2022-2023
Allegheny leaves the NCAC for the PAC
Averett leaves the USAC for the ODAC
Medaille leaves the AMCC for the Empire 8
Warren Wilson joins the C2C
Belhaven leaves the ASC for the Collegiate Conference of the South
Agnes Scott, Berea, Covenant, Huntingdon, LaGrange, Maryville, Piedmont, and Wesleyan (GA) leave the USAC for the Collegiate Conference of the South

Conference Changes Starting in 2023-2024
Carlow joins the AMCC
Hartford joins the CCC
Lebanon Valley shifts from the MAC Commonwealth to the MAC Freedom
Lesley leaves the NECC for the NAC
Lycoming leaves the MAC Freedom for the Landmark
Lyon joins the SLIAC
Mississippi University for Women (MUW) joins the SLIAC
Morrisville State leaves the UEC for the NAC
Salve Regina leaves the CCC for the NEWMAC
Wells leaves the UEC for the AMCC
Wilkes leaves the MAC Freedom for the Landmark