Conference changes

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Gregory Sager

Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 23, 2022, 12:27:15 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 22, 2022, 02:55:58 PM
And, I assume that Lyon becomes a Football affiliate for the UMAC, and they are glad to have them.

Travel for both conferences will be tough, but roughly speaking, it is
300 miles to Marshall TX (ETBU)
400 miles to Sherman TX (Austin College)
550 miles to Belton TX (UMHB)
580 miles to Brownwood (HPU)
600 miles to Abilene (HSU & McMurry)
650 miles to Seguin (TLU)
900 miles to Alpine (Sul Ross State)

In the UMAC

270 miles to Fulton MO (Westminster)
315 miles to Greenville IL (Greenville)
736 miles to New Ulm MN (Martin Luther)
750 miles to Roseville MN (Northwestern)
750 miles to St Bonifacius MN (Crown)
900 miles to Morris MN (MN-Morris)
940 miles to Hancock MI (Finlandia)


Is it easier to sell a football program to a high school student in Arkansas who reads about the SEC all of the time and the Razorbacks playing UT and A&M, then going to play football games in Texas, or traveling 900 miles north to play in a snowstorm in late October/early November?

Plus, better barbecue.

Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 23, 2022, 12:27:15 PMI believe that Lyon would be more successful in the UMAC than going up against UMHB, HSU and that next tier of ASC competition.

That goes without saying, really. UMHB is king of the hill in D3 football and HSU is very good, whereas the UMAC is possibly the weakest conference in all of D3 football.

Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 23, 2022, 12:27:15 PMHaving looked at the data, I wonder if affirming its conference affiliation as a SLIAC school is the difference.

Aye, there's the rub. Even though the SLIAC really has no effect upon football affiliation in the formal sense, joining the UMAC would give Lyon a chance to develop and expand insitutional rivalries with two of its new SLIAC brethren, Greenville and Westminster (MO). It would also be a more congenial competitive environment for a Scots football program that went 2-7 in its NAIA league last season and was outscored by an average of almost four touchdowns per game.

Still ... barbecue > tater tot hotdish.  ;)
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WUPHF

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It looks like Lyon is used to long road trips in football as they currently compete in the Sooner Athletic Conference which includes two Arizona schools, and 3-4 Texas schools.

https://lyonscots.com/sports/football/schedule

crufootball

Quote from: WUPHF on August 23, 2022, 03:57:49 PM
It looks like Lyon is used to long road trips in football as they currently compete in the Sooner Athletic Conference which includes two Arizona schools, and 3-4 Texas schools.

https://lyonscots.com/sports/football/schedule

Long trips indeed

1375 miles to Arizona Christian
400 miles to Langston University
350 miles to Louisiana Christian (formerly Louisiana College)
1375  miles to Ottawa University
650 miles to Panhandle State
450 miles to Southwestern Assembly of God
350 miles to Texas College
450 miles to Texas Wesleyan
700 miles to Wayland Baptist


Gregory Sager

LIke most of the South, Arkansas's just not an ideal location for a college in terms of travel with regard to small-college intercollegiate sports, whether the school is in D2, D3, or the NAIA.
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WUPHF

Very true.  Arkansas is Hendrix, Harding, Lyon, Ozarks and a bunch of Baptist colleges.  Lots of publics.

Harding is Division II and the University of the Ozarks does not compete in football, it seems.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_Arkansas

A remarkable contrast to say Iowa...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_Iowa

Inkblot

Quote from: Gregory Sager on August 24, 2022, 10:30:14 AM
LIke most of the South, Arkansas's just not an ideal location for a college in terms of travel with regard to small-college intercollegiate sports, whether the school is in D2, D3, or the NAIA.

D2 is definitely an exception here. There's an entire 12-team conference with teams only in Arkansas and Oklahoma.
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Gregory Sager

Quote from: Inkblot on August 24, 2022, 01:50:00 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on August 24, 2022, 10:30:14 AM
LIke most of the South, Arkansas's just not an ideal location for a college in terms of travel with regard to small-college intercollegiate sports, whether the school is in D2, D3, or the NAIA.

D2 is definitely an exception here. There's an entire 12-team conference with teams only in Arkansas and Oklahoma.

There's still some mileage to put on the bus in that conference. However, there's two schools in particular in that conference who don't have to go far at all to reach each other's campus.
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WUPHF

That is an awesome story.

Past tailgaters saluting with Solo cups from atop pickup-truck beds, the Henderson State Reddies march. Past family members reaching for fist bumps and alumni clanging cowbells and cheerleaders ruffling pompoms. Past trilling piccolos and tooting tubas and the upright feather plumes of the Showband of Arkansas. Past a massive sign hanging from a student apartment, underneath a cloudless Saturday afternoon sky: OUACHITA PLAYS MADDEN ON ROOKIE MODE.

Gregory Sager

Yeah, that's a fun read. It's stayed in my mind two years after I first read it.
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Ralph Turner

Quote from: Gregory Sager on August 24, 2022, 02:00:54 PM
Quote from: Inkblot on August 24, 2022, 01:50:00 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on August 24, 2022, 10:30:14 AM
LIke most of the South, Arkansas's just not an ideal location for a college in terms of travel with regard to small-college intercollegiate sports, whether the school is in D2, D3, or the NAIA.

D2 is definitely an exception here. There's an entire 12-team conference with teams only in Arkansas and Oklahoma.

There's still some mileage to put on the bus in that conference. However, there's two schools in particular in that conference who don't have to go far at all to reach each other's campus.
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Pat Coleman

Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 24, 2022, 04:48:03 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on August 24, 2022, 02:00:54 PM
Quote from: Inkblot on August 24, 2022, 01:50:00 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on August 24, 2022, 10:30:14 AM
LIke most of the South, Arkansas's just not an ideal location for a college in terms of travel with regard to small-college intercollegiate sports, whether the school is in D2, D3, or the NAIA.

D2 is definitely an exception here. There's an entire 12-team conference with teams only in Arkansas and Oklahoma.

There's still some mileage to put on the bus in that conference. However, there's two schools in particular in that conference who don't have to go far at all to reach each other's campus.
Respect your rival. He will bring out the best performance you can give!

I don't know that that statement is gender-specific.
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Ralph Turner

Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 24, 2022, 05:42:34 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 24, 2022, 04:48:03 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on August 24, 2022, 02:00:54 PM
Quote from: Inkblot on August 24, 2022, 01:50:00 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on August 24, 2022, 10:30:14 AM
LIke most of the South, Arkansas's just not an ideal location for a college in terms of travel with regard to small-college intercollegiate sports, whether the school is in D2, D3, or the NAIA.

D2 is definitely an exception here. There's an entire 12-team conference with teams only in Arkansas and Oklahoma.

There's still some mileage to put on the bus in that conference. However, there's two schools in particular in that conference who don't have to go far at all to reach each other's campus.
Respect your rival. He will bring out the best performance you can give!

I don't know that that statement is gender-specific.
True. (In this case, the major focus was on the football games the 2 schools had played.)

Respect your rival. S/he will bring out the best performance you can give!

Pat Coleman

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Quote from: old 40 on September 25, 2007, 08:23:57 PMLet's discuss (sports) in a positive way, sometimes kidding each other with no disrespect.

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