Conference changes

[jlog3000]

Maybe the remaining SUNYAC schools would like to have greener pastures on other nearby conferences like the Empire 8 or the NAC (i.e.: North Atlantic). Or even the UEC (a.k.a. United East) where Morrisville and SUNYIT were former members back when it was the NEAC, as well as Cobleskill.

Plus, the UEC has 4 members out of 17 now (due to its 'merger' with the CSAC, when in actuality it was technically an amalgamation) that are from the State of New York.

In the case of the NAC, if any of the SUNYAC schools would like be next in line to be future expansion members, then it would solidify a newer NAC West (and the rest of the other schools that are east of the NY state boundary line (mostly the New England ones) be a newer NAC East).

As in general, many conferences are on the verge to be squandered with under 6 full members, and lesser than that to keep automatic bids alive, thanks to recent conference realignment changes in this decade alone. So I wonder if somewhat of a 'superconference' format would work on some of the growing conferences like the E8 or the NAC or the UEC, at least in the Northeast U.S. region. Or if any of the schools would like to move upto D-II, which that division hadn't had a school from the SUNY system in ages (the last ones were also former SUNYAC members Albany, Stony Brook and Binghamton before all eventually moved to D-I and compete in the AmEast (I mean America East)).

[Inkblot]

Plus, the UEC has 4 members out of 17 now (due to its 'merger' with the CSAC, when in actuality it was technically an amalgamation) that are from the State of New York.

Am I misunderstanding this? The UEC no longer has members in New York.

[jlog3000]

Am I misunderstanding this? The UEC no longer has members in New York.

Hold on, never mind. I thought they did still. I mistook it by accident, and only noticed the affiliates from an outdated map of the current membership via its Wikipedia page.

Regardless though, the rest of my point was that the UEC would also be a suitable conference homes for the remaining "'YAC" members.

[jeffconn]

Maybe the remaining SUNYAC schools would like to have greener pastures on other nearby conferences like the Empire 8 or the NAC (i.e.: North Atlantic). Or even the UEC (a.k.a. United East) where Morrisville and SUNYIT were former members back when it was the NEAC, as well as Cobleskill.

Plus, the UEC has 4 members out of 17 now (due to its 'merger' with the CSAC, when in actuality it was technically an amalgamation) that are from the State of New York.

In the case of the NAC, if any of the SUNYAC schools would like be next in line to be future expansion members, then it would solidify a newer NAC West (and the rest of the other schools that are east of the NY state boundary line (mostly the New England ones) be a newer NAC East).

As in general, many conferences are on the verge to be squandered with under 6 full members, and lesser than that to keep automatic bids alive, thanks to recent conference realignment changes in this decade alone. So I wonder if somewhat of a 'superconference' format would work on some of the growing conferences like the E8 or the NAC or the UEC, at least in the Northeast U.S. region. Or if any of the schools would like to move upto D-II, which that division hadn't had a school from the SUNY system in ages (the last ones were also former SUNYAC members Albany, Stony Brook and Binghamton before all eventually moved to D-I and compete in the AmEast (I mean America East)).

None of the current UEC members are from New York. Wells and SUNY Morrisville left this summer.  The UEC has 3 affiliates from New York, although that might change with the UEC/CSAC merger.  One of the stated reasons for the merger was having to find affilates to flesh out some sports numbers. And Sweet Briar is no longer a field hockey affiliate as of this fall. UEC's footprint has shifted south, so the New York schools might not be attractive to the UEC.

As far as superconferences go, I figure it's inevitable. When Division 3 conferences see the number of schools closing or on the verge of closing, they have to be thinking that they need numbers. All the talk about "like-minded" colleges, national academic rankings, and sticking with schools of your particular religious affiliation (or lack thereof) will go out the window when the conferences are in danger of losing automatic bids in sports.

[Greek Tragedy]

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Provisional Pipeline for 2023-24 (Expected)
Full membership fall 2023: Mississippi University for Women
3rd year provisional members (full membership fall 2024): Asbury, Warren Wilson
2nd year provisional members: Hartford, Lyon
1st year provisional members: Carlow
Exploratory: Penn State-Brandywine

* Games against Year 3 provisional members count the same as games against full-members for regional-ranking and tournament selection purposes

Conference Changes Starting in 2023-2024
Bryn Athyn leaves the CSAC for the UEC
Cairn leaves the CSAC for the UEC
Carlow joins the AMCC
Cazenovia (NAC) closes
Cedar Crest leaves the CSAC for the UEC (sponsor women's sports only)
Clarks Summit leaves the CSAC for the UEC
Eastern Nazarene leaves the NECC for the NAC
Finlandia (C2C) closes
Hartford joins the CCC
Keystone leaves the CSAC for the UEC
Lebanon Valley shifts from the MAC Commonwealth to the MAC Freedom
Lesley leaves the NECC for the NAC
Lycoming leaves the MAC Freedom for the Landmark
Lyon joins the SLIAC
Medaille (E8) closes
Mississippi University for Women (MUW) joins the SLIAC
Mitchell leaves the NECC for the GNAC
Morrisville State leaves the UEC for the NAC
New England College leaves the NECC for the GNAC
Notre Dame (MD) adds men's sports and competes in the UEC
Rosemont leaves the CSAC for the UEC
St. Elizabeth leaves the CSAC for the UEC
Salve Regina leaves the CCC for the NEWMAC
Sul Ross State (ASC) begins reclassification period to D2 (waiver allows them to count for primary criteria, ineligible for postseason)
Valley Forge leaves the CSAC for the UEC
Wells leaves the UEC for the AMCC
Wilkes leaves the MAC Freedom for the Landmark
Wilson leaves the CSAC for the UEC
NECC no longer a basketball conference due to losing all members (Pool A goes away)
CSAC dissolves (Pool A bid goes away)
Expecting 42 Pool A bids, 0 Pool B bids, 22 Pool C bids

Conference Changes Starting in 2024-2025
Berea leaves the CCS for the HCAC
Cabrini (AEC) closes
Concordia (Texas) leaves the ASC for the SCAC
Johnson & Wales leaves the GNAC for the CCC
McMurry leaves the ASC for the SCAC
NVU-Johnson (NAC) leaves D3 for the USCAA [ON HOLD?]
Pratt leaves the C2C for the AEC
Texas-Dallas leaves the ASC for D2 (application process pending)
University of the Ozarks leaves the ASC for the SCAC
CCS expected to gain Pool A bid
Expecting 43 Pool A bids, 0 Pool B bids, 21 Pool C bids

Conference Changes Starting in 2025-2026
Southwestern leaves the SCAC for the SAA
Trinity (Texas) leaves the SCAC for the SAA
Expecting 43 Pool A bids, 0 Pool B bids, 21 Pool C bids

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

There's no chance I'm going to remember all these.

[Caz Bombers]

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Provisional Pipeline for 2023-24 (Expected)
Full membership fall 2023: Mississippi University for Women
3rd year provisional members (full membership fall 2024): Asbury, Warren Wilson
2nd year provisional members: Hartford, Lyon
1st year provisional members: Carlow
Exploratory: Penn State-Brandywine

* Games against Year 3 provisional members count the same as games against full-members for regional-ranking and tournament selection purposes

Conference Changes Starting in 2023-2024
Bryn Athyn leaves the CSAC for the UEC
Cairn leaves the CSAC for the UEC
Carlow joins the AMCC
Cazenovia (NAC) closes
Cedar Crest leaves the CSAC for the UEC (sponsor women's sports only)
Clarks Summit leaves the CSAC for the UEC
Eastern Nazarene leaves the NECC for the NAC
Finlandia (C2C) closes
Hartford joins the CCC
Keystone leaves the CSAC for the UEC
Lebanon Valley shifts from the MAC Commonwealth to the MAC Freedom
Lesley leaves the NECC for the NAC
Lycoming leaves the MAC Freedom for the Landmark
Lyon joins the SLIAC
Medaille (E8) closes
Mississippi University for Women (MUW) joins the SLIAC
Mitchell leaves the NECC for the GNAC
Morrisville State leaves the UEC for the NAC
New England College leaves the NECC for the GNAC
Notre Dame (MD) adds men's sports and competes in the UEC
Rosemont leaves the CSAC for the UEC
St. Elizabeth leaves the CSAC for the UEC
Salve Regina leaves the CCC for the NEWMAC
Sul Ross State (ASC) begins reclassification period to D2 (waiver allows them to count for primary criteria, ineligible for postseason)
Valley Forge leaves the CSAC for the UEC
Wells leaves the UEC for the AMCC
Wilkes leaves the MAC Freedom for the Landmark
Wilson leaves the CSAC for the UEC
NECC no longer a basketball conference due to losing all members (Pool A goes away)
CSAC dissolves (Pool A bid goes away)
Expecting 42 Pool A bids, 0 Pool B bids, 22 Pool C bids

Conference Changes Starting in 2024-2025
Berea leaves the CCS for the HCAC
Cabrini (AEC) closes
Concordia (Texas) leaves the ASC for the SCAC
Johnson & Wales leaves the GNAC for the CCC
McMurry leaves the ASC for the SCAC
NVU-Johnson (NAC) leaves D3 for the USCAA [ON HOLD?]
Pratt leaves the C2C for the AEC
Texas-Dallas leaves the ASC for D2 (application process pending)
University of the Ozarks leaves the ASC for the SCAC
CCS expected to gain Pool A bid
Expecting 43 Pool A bids, 0 Pool B bids, 21 Pool C bids

Conference Changes Starting in 2025-2026
Southwestern leaves the SCAC for the SAA
Trinity (Texas) leaves the SCAC for the SAA
Expecting 43 Pool A bids, 0 Pool B bids, 21 Pool C bids

2024-25 is when the Brockport and Geneseo moves take effect, FYI

[jlog3000]

2024-25 is when the Brockport and Geneseo moves take effect, FYI

What he said, as both SUNY schools will leave the SUNYAC to join the Empire 8 (E8).

[KnightSlappy]

Adding the Brockport and Geneseo moves. Adding Regent exploratory announcement.

Provisional Pipeline for 2023-24 (Expected)
Full membership fall 2023: MUW
3rd year provisional members (full membership fall 2024): Asbury, Warren Wilson
2nd year provisional members: Hartford, Lyon
1st year provisional members: Carlow
Exploratory: Penn State-Brandywine

* Games against Year 3 provisional members count the same as games against full-members for regional-ranking and tournament selection purposes

Provisional Pipeline for 2024-25
Exploratory: Regent

Conference Changes Starting in 2023-2024
Bryn Athyn leaves the CSAC for the UEC
Cairn leaves the CSAC for the UEC
Carlow joins the AMCC
Cazenovia (NAC) closes
Cedar Crest leaves the CSAC for the UEC (sponsor women's sports only)
Clarks Summit leaves the CSAC for the UEC
Eastern Nazarene leaves the NECC for the NAC
Finlandia (C2C) closes
Hartford joins the CCC
Keystone leaves the CSAC for the UEC
Lebanon Valley shifts from the MAC Commonwealth to the MAC Freedom
Lesley leaves the NECC for the NAC
Lycoming leaves the MAC Freedom for the Landmark
Lyon joins the SLIAC
Medaille (E8) closes
Mississippi University for Women (MUW) joins the SLIAC
Mitchell leaves the NECC for the GNAC
Morrisville State leaves the UEC for the NAC
New England College leaves the NECC for the GNAC
Notre Dame (MD) adds men's sports and competes in the UEC
Rosemont leaves the CSAC for the UEC
St. Elizabeth leaves the CSAC for the UEC
Salve Regina leaves the CCC for the NEWMAC
Sul Ross State (ASC) begins reclassification period to D2 (waiver allows them to count for primary criteria, ineligible for postseason)
Valley Forge leaves the CSAC for the UEC
Wells leaves the UEC for the AMCC
Wilkes leaves the MAC Freedom for the Landmark
Wilson leaves the CSAC for the UEC
NECC no longer a basketball conference due to losing all members (Pool A goes away)
CSAC dissolves (Pool A bid goes away)
Expecting 42 Pool A bids, 0 Pool B bids, 22 Pool C bids

Conference Changes Starting in 2024-2025
Berea leaves the CCS for the HCAC
Brockport leaves the SUNYAC for the E8
Cabrini (AEC) closes
Concordia (Texas) leaves the ASC for the SCAC
Johnson & Wales leaves the GNAC for the CCC
McMurry leaves the ASC for the SCAC
NVU-Johnson (NAC) leaves D3 for the USCAA [ON HOLD?]
Pratt leaves the C2C for the AEC
SUNY Geneseo leaves the SUNYAC for the E8
Texas-Dallas leaves the ASC for D2 (application process pending)
University of the Ozarks leaves the ASC for the SCAC
CCS expected to gain Pool A bid
Expecting 43 Pool A bids, 0 Pool B bids, 21 Pool C bids

Conference Changes Starting in 2025-2026
Southwestern leaves the SCAC for the SAA
Trinity (Texas) leaves the SCAC for the SAA
Expecting 43 Pool A bids, 0 Pool B bids, 21 Pool C bids

[Ralph Turner]

Where does Regent (Virginia Beach VA) land about 2028-29?

[jeffconn]

Where does Regent (Virginia Beach VA) land about 2028-29?

The C2C, if anywhere. Since radical fundamentalist college Bob Jones had no conferences wanting to take them, I don't see Regent doing any better. I live near there, and they have a LONG way to go to be anywhere near a D3 school. Regent has NO on-campus athletic facilities, no dorms, no field, no gym for basketball or volleyball, no baseball field. All their home games take place at local Christian private high schools and rec centers. I can't see the ODAC or USA South even glancing their way. They are best staying in the NCCAA, or maybe the USCAA if they get some facilities.

[jeffconn]

Here's Regent's press release about exploring NCAA D3 membership. It doesn't mention anything about an invite from any D3 conferences. Isn't that a requirement to join D3 now?
https://regentroyals.com/news/2023/9/18/general-regent-university-athletics-pursues-ncaa-division-iii-membership.aspx

[KnightSlappy]

Here's Regent's press release about exploring NCAA D3 membership. It doesn't mention anything about an invite from any D3 conferences. Isn't that a requirement to join D3 now?
https://regentroyals.com/news/2023/9/18/general-regent-university-athletics-pursues-ncaa-division-iii-membership.aspx

Yes, that is a requirement for the application to join D3, but my understanding is that application happens after the exploratory phase and before Year 1 provision begins. You can enter the exploratory process without a conference. So Regent essentially has 2 years to get a conference figured out. They will need an invitation from a conference by 2025-26 to being the actual membership process.

[Gregory Sager]

Where does Regent (Virginia Beach VA) land about 2028-29?

The C2C, if anywhere. Since radical fundamentalist college Bob Jones had no conferences wanting to take them, I don't see Regent doing any better. I live near there, and they have a LONG way to go to be anywhere near a D3 school. Regent has NO on-campus athletic facilities, no dorms, no field, no gym for basketball or volleyball, no baseball field. All their home games take place at local Christian private high schools and rec centers. I can't see the ODAC or USA South even glancing their way. They are best staying in the NCCAA, or maybe the USCAA if they get some facilities.

Plenty of D3 schools play off-site sports and/or rent facilities. For instance, the CCIW is as established a league as there is in D3, but two of the nine CCIW schools still rent their home baseball stadiums from local park districts, and a third rents a local baseball stadium owned by the VFW. And renting gyms from local high schools is still commonplace for D3 schools that are in transitional phases (e.g., the time needed to refurbish an outdated facility), which is what Regent will be in.

Regent has money. More importantly, I'm pretty sure that Regent has the kind of connections and donor base that could raise the money to build athletic facilities. Whether it's the best use of Regent's resources is another matter, but this is what the school's braintrust has decided to do with them.

[CNU85]

Where does Regent (Virginia Beach VA) land about 2028-29?

The C2C, if anywhere. Since radical fundamentalist college Bob Jones had no conferences wanting to take them, I don't see Regent doing any better. I live near there, and they have a LONG way to go to be anywhere near a D3 school. Regent has NO on-campus athletic facilities, no dorms, no field, no gym for basketball or volleyball, no baseball field. All their home games take place at local Christian private high schools and rec centers. I can't see the ODAC or USA South even glancing their way. They are best staying in the NCCAA, or maybe the USCAA if they get some facilities.

I think one of the issues with Bob Jones was games/travel on Sunday. But I'm not really sure. I thought I heard that somewhere.

Regent will be fine when it comes to athletic facilities. I'm sure they had a plan in place for facilities before they dropped their name in the D3 arena. I predict it will not take long before they have very nice facilities.

They just made recruiting harder for D3 schools in VA and NC.