BB: Regionals (South) Danville '08, Salisbury '09, Methodist '10, Rhodes '11

[rolln2]

I don't think you will see but three south region teams in Millington.  I think CNU and RMC will be flown in since they are pool A qualifiers.  I think the other will be Piedmont from pool B.  After that I believe you will possibly see three others from either the Mideast or Central region.

So it appears the South Regional may be missed by the flooding.  Hopefully it will miss a lot of Memphis as well.  It also appears that CNU is heading that way.  Given that what'd the latest thinking on the rest of the region?  Don't know what the NCAA is going to do about 4 South region teams (I include RMC) that will need to fly to Millington.  Assuming they may fly two teams in, here are my projections:


SOUTH
1 Christopher Newport 29-5 39-5  #1 seed in South Region tourney - air fare and all
2 Shenandoah 30-5 34-5 #Heading to another region or addl. NCAA air fare
3 Piedmont 29-11 31-13 #2 in South region tourney
4 Salisbury 24-10 25-11 Heading to another region or addl. NCAA air fare
5 Rhodes 23-17 24-20 Logical #4 if they make the South Region tourney
6 Emory 24-13 26-17 #3  in South Region Tourney
Unranked Randolph-Macon - Should be the #5 in the South Region, but will the NCAA pay to fly them?
Unranked SLAIC Champion - Logical #6 in South Region Tourney

[OshDude]

Why would the NCAA fly teams to Millington when it doesn't have to?

This is from the 2011 Handbook:
Once automatic qualifiers are identified and the Pools B and C teams are selected, the following guidelines should be followed:
• Once selected, teams will be grouped in clusters according to natural geographic proximity. Teams will then be paired according to geographic proximity. A team may be moved to numerically balance the bracket if geographic proximity is maintained. Teams should be paired and eligible sites should be selected according to geographic proximity (within 500 miles).
• Teams may be seeded on a regional basis using the regional selection criteria. However, geographic proximity takes precedence over seeding.
• Teams from the same conference do not have to play one another in the first round as long as geographic proximity is maintained.

I don't think a team has ever flown to a regional when it could bus to others. Ever. If you find a team that fits the description, please let me know.

You may be correct that a team will fly to the South. I'm not discounting the possibility. But I find it hard to believe it will happen, especially considering the NCAA should have options to fill Millington with six teams via coach buses. It doesn't matter if a team is a Pool A from the South. That team can go anywhere it can bus.

[Ralph Turner]

Why would the NCAA fly teams to Millington when it doesn't have to?

This is from the 2011 Handbook:
Once automatic qualifiers are identified and the Pools B and C teams are selected, the following guidelines should be followed:
• Once selected, teams will be grouped in clusters according to natural geographic proximity. Teams will then be paired according to geographic proximity. A team may be moved to numerically balance the bracket if geographic proximity is maintained. Teams should be paired and eligible sites should be selected according to geographic proximity (within 500 miles).
• Teams may be seeded on a regional basis using the regional selection criteria. However, geographic proximity takes precedence over seeding.
• Teams from the same conference do not have to play one another in the first round as long as geographic proximity is maintained.

I don't think a team has ever flown to a regional when it could bus to others. Ever. If you find a team that fits the description, please let me know.

You may be correct that a team will fly to the South. I'm not discounting the possibility. But I find it hard to believe it will happen, especially considering the NCAA should have options to fill Millington with six teams via coach buses. It doesn't matter if a team is a Pool A from the South. That team can go anywhere it can bus.

I agree!  Millington will be filled with teams that can be sent there by bus.

[BigPoppa]

I am not sure I can wait until tomorrow's regional rankings come out... It's tourney time

[rolln2]

I get the whole money thing, but has a number regional seed ever been sent out of its' own region before?  I just can't see them sending a number one away.

[rolln2]

I meant #1 seed

I get the whole money thing, but has a number regional seed ever been sent out of its' own region before?  I just can't see them sending a number one away.

[BigPoppa]

I get the whole money thing, but has a number regional seed ever been sent out of its' own region before?  I just can't see them sending a number one away.

In 2003, Carthage was the #1 seed in the Central and was sent to Mississippi (somehow was awarded the Central Regional that year). So, I guess they were not technically sent out of region, but for all intents and purposes there were four regionals closer than where they landed.

[rolln2]

What you say is what leads me to believe that CNU will fly to Millington as the #1 south seed.

I get the whole money thing, but has a number regional seed ever been sent out of its' own region before?  I just can't see them sending a number one away.

In 2003, Carthage was the #1 seed in the Central and was sent to Mississippi (somehow was awarded the Central Regional that year). So, I guess they were not technically sent out of region, but for all intents and purposes there were four regionals closer than where they landed.

[EttaFan1]

Millington, from a geographic perspective, was a very poor choice for the south region location.  very poor.

I find it hard to belive there were no other qualified locations more centrally located in the region than this.

Finding 6 teams from any region to fill this location will be tough.  And then to send the #1 and #3 nationally ranked teams elsewhere is going to be met with some teeth gnashing not only from the CNU and Shennendoah folks but the folks in the other regions as well.

It seems like every year in some sport, at some level the NCAA makes a really dumb decision leaving the fans and participants scratching their head.   

[JohnnyU]

I see the south looking something like...

1. CNU   A
2. Piedmont   B
3. Rhodes/WashU/Emory/Texas-Tyler    C
4. PrAC   A
5. SLIAC   A
6. Wabash    A

Only one flight. The 3 seed will be weak but that's not TOO bad. I like that it will have teams from multiple regions. It wasn't an awful choice.

[narch]

there are at least six teams which are above .600 and within 500 miles of millington, tn - i think any of these are strong candidates for this regional if they get an aq or are selected as a pool b/c candidate

http://img543.imageshack.us/i/regional.jpg/

i posted this about 2 weeks ago, but most of it still applies (m'ville dropped out of the regional rankings and won't be on the table unless they miraculously get back into the rankings)

piedmont is a lock for this regional, in my mind
wash u is .651 in region and ranked #6 in the central
emory is .649 in region and ranked #6 in the south
transy is .630 in region and ranked #5 in the mideast
thomas more is .774 and ranked #7 in the mideast

...oh, and rhodes is .575 and ranked #5 in the south, meaning they will be on the table when the committee makes decisions

unless i've missed a school (which is possible), i don't see any other regionally ranked teams that are within 500 miles of millington, tn - there may be a pool a which is not ranked and within 500 miles...i'm not sure

[EttaFan1]

I see the south looking something like...

1. CNU   A
2. Piedmont   B
3. Rhodes/WashU/Emory/Texas-Tyler    C
4. PrAC   A
5. SLIAC   A
6. Wabash    A

Only one flight. The 3 seed will be weak but that's not TOO bad. I like that it will have teams from multiple regions. It wasn't an awful choice.

Wabash (already qualified) is 444 miles according to google maps, just within the limits.  the only way the President's conference winner heads to Millington is if it is Thomas More from near Cincinnati, a 464 mile trip.  W&J and Grove City are in that battle and will have something to say.  Both of those schools are in Western PA, and would be well in excess of 700 miles to the Memphis area.

The HCAC champ, unless it is Anderson, would also be within 500 miles of Millington.  Anderson is too far north..  Franlkin,Manchester, and Rose Hulman (terre Haute) are less than 500 miles.

The "worst" scenario when thinking in these terms is to have Anderson win the HCAC, and Grove City /W&J win their conference Pool A bids and force the NCAA to fly someone else to Millington.

I guess you could say it this way,

1.  CNU
2.  Piedmont (B)
3. Rhodes/Wash U/Emory/Texas-Tyler (C)
4. PrAC or HCAC champ
5. SLIAC Champ
6. Wabash (A)

[Ralph Turner]

CNU's official position is to play whomever is in the other dugout...

But, do you want to be the #1 seed, being flown to Millington with a bracket of

1) CNU
2) Thomas More
3) Webster/SLIAC Champ
4) HCAC Champ (not Anderson)
5) Piedmont  Pool B/C
6) TBA

Or be sent to Rowan Kean or Marietta as a #2 or #3 seed, where you might also catch Shenandoah, again?  

My bad!  The tourney is at Kean.

[Boysofsummer21]

CNU's official position is to play whomever is in the other dugout...

But, do you want to be the #1 seed, being flown to Millington with a bracket of

1) CNU
2) Thomas More
3) Webster/SLIAC Champ
4) HCAC Champ (not Anderson)
5) Piedmont  Pool B/C
6) TBA




Or be sent to Rowan or Marietta as a #2 or #3 seed, where you might also catch Shenandoah, again?   

So are you saying that if CNU went to Rowan they would be the 2 seed? Marietta is a 50/50 chance for 1/2 but Rowan? Marietta has a lower SOS and has a better record but is ranked 1 and 2 in the polls. CNU better SOS and is 2 and 1 in the polls. So how is it they are automatic a 2 seed? SOrry I do not understand not questioning it so much as trying to understand.

[Ralph Turner]

Satellite photos of Memphis...

April 21, 2011 and  May 10, 2011