BB: Regionals (New York) Auburn NY '08, SUNY-Old Westbury '09, Cortland State '10, '11

[BaseB13]

John, according to how the SUNYAC plans to determine its best team in the conference, Brockport was NOT the best team in the region in 2004.  Had there not been a conference tournament in 2004, Cortland would have received the automatic bid, Brockport would not have received an at large, and who knows what would have happened in regionals.  Hence my thought that the new format clearly is beneficial to Cortland holds up if Cortland continues to what they've been doing over the years.  A conference tournament provides the rest of the SUNYAC the potential to upset Cortland (see 2004, and then Brockport made it look like less of an upset by taking Cortland out in regionals as well).  Without the tournament there will be no upsets, Cortland will lock up the bid early.  Then maybe we can test some peoples theories regarding IC not playing a meaningful game toward the end of the season (I dont necessariyl agree with that theory) and how it effected them in regionals.

[pudge27]

I get what you're saying BB13.  Doing away with the SUNYAC tournament definitely favors Cortland, but I don't think they're pushing for it.  They've taken care of business pretty well since they started the SUNYAC tournament.  I think it's valuable to them to get the tournament games in prior to regionals.  It hurts the conference as a whole and definitely the 2nd tier teams in the conference. 

As for this comment....

quote author=JoseQViper link=topic=5845.msg910153#msg910153 date=1211227102]

Besides, you're just bashing to bash since it's an IC-Cortland thing. And that's alright because we both know where the Cortaca Jug is right now 

+k to John for reminding us what matters. 


You are absolutely right Viper.  After all, IC football has beaten Cortland what...12 out of the past 14 years???  No wait.  CORTLAND BASEBALL has beaten IC 12 out of the last 14 years (at least in the final standings).  Sorry about that.  I get confused easily...being a state skool guy and all.  And correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't Cortland won the jug 4 out of the last 6 years???  Keep digging.  And just to show that there's no hard feelings, I will give you some props on how the Rays are playing this year. 

[JQV]

+k for the Rays love.

[dgilblair]

Great tournament in Auburn.  The field crew, the people working the stands, just all class people.  What a great place to play baseball.  Good luck to Cortland in Appleton.

DG, I hope you didn't drive all the way home from Auburn and jump right on here.  Good God, man, get some sleep!

How did you enjoy the 2AM finish on Fri night, err... Sat morning?  That couldn't have been fun.  I'm sure the weather was nice and warm as well.

Too bad you guys couldn't hold the lead the 1st game.  If you'd gotten to Cortland in the winners bracket with Jags that could have been interesting.  Just too hard in these 7 or 8 team regionals to come out of the losers side.  You probably need 8 or 9 pitchers (kind of like Eastern had in 06) who can all get good hitters out.  Seemed like with Shawn hurt, Eastern only had 4 or 5 pitchers they trusted to go to in big situations.

Would have been better had Shawn been healthy (obviously  ).  Hopefully he rests up or does whatever he needs to come back healthy next year.  Pretty impressive hitting from him even when injured.  Should be a good squad again next year if everyone comes back.  Good luck with everything next season.

Thanks MSG

Yea, I should have gone to bed got Yags all pissed at me......

Man, it was cold and wet at 2am.  It seems to always be that way in the regionals.  Cape Cod, New York it doesn't matter, every year.

Montclair just kicks us most of the time.  Played them a lot the last three years and it is always a dog fight.  Was a little surprised with the score that game.  Would have been nice to play Cortland and see how we could have done but they are awful good.  The 7 team regional is a joke.  We had that in 06.  We win our first game and had to play Cortland late that night.  The loser of our game went out to dinner.  I guess it wasn't to bad though, we did win.  Still think they should be 6 or 8 teams.

Coaches did only trust a few guys no doubt.  Shawn being able to pitch would have helped.  Another big lose earlier in the year was Tingley who had elbow surgery.  Another good lefty who should be back next year.  Shawn has knee surgery on the 30th. 

[Pat Coleman]

scuba16 -- if you'd like to try again to get your post through without being a jerk about it, I welcome the attempt.

But the attacks on a fellow poster aren't gonna fly and the TOS should give you some guidance there.

[lewdogg11]

All of the talk about pitching rest...Let's all remember, these are college kids, not 30-something year old guys who just played a 162 game season...These kids bounce back a little quicker, not to mention are motivated this time of year...

Let's just say Ithaca's guy pitches game one...Ithaca gets a nice lead, pulls him out after 100-120 pitches...they cruise to the win...He isn't burnt out...Ithaca possibly makes a showing

OR...

it's a nail biter and they win...obviously the needed him...OR they lose....apparently benching him was not the right call...

In a tournament you NEED to win and the fact that a # 4 pitcher started either of their games that they played is ridiculous and careless of the coaches, unless there was another reason for it that no one knows about.

I just think a little too much is made out of 'resting' pitchers this time of year.

[BaseB13]

I'd tend to agree with that.. And nothing against Fishback, I think he'll develop in to a solid arm for IC and he threw pretty good this year but he's essentially a freshman (having no thrown last year) being thrown in to an elimination game against a team from arguably the best conference in the country.  Not saying he's not capable of getting the job done but he had no tournament experience.. a lot to ask from someone 10 - 1 sitting on the bench. Unless of course there is an injury no one knows about? 

Pudge, ya i didn't mean it in a negative way toward Cortland.  They have gotten the job done pretty much every year, except for one so maybe they aren't pushing for it.  However, if I was them, I wouldn't complain too much except for the fact that it's just less games each SUNYAC team could potentially play.. And at the end of the day that's what this is all about.. playing baseball.. as much as possible. 

[scuba16]

scuba16 -- if you'd like to try again to get your post through without being a jerk about it, I welcome the attempt.

But the attacks on a fellow poster aren't gonna fly and the TOS should give you some guidance there.

Pat,
Thanks for the permission to re-post my thoughts, I was waiting for you to give me the go ahead before re-posting big guy

Bottom line is Shane Wolf, who was 10-1(30% of IC's total wins) and threw 70.1 innings(20% of all innings pitched) didn't throw an inning in the regional and some people on this board don't find something wrong with that?
Hind sight being 20/20, that looks to be one of the most laughable events of this years NCAA D-3 regionals!
Why throw the kid 70 innings regular season and shelf him come tournament time?
They saved the kid for the game that was never to be!

[OshDude]

scuba16 -- if you'd like to try again to get your post through without being a jerk about it, I welcome the attempt.

But the attacks on a fellow poster aren't gonna fly and the TOS should give you some guidance there.

Pat,
Thanks for the permission to re-post my thoughts, I was waiting for you to give me the go ahead before re-posting big guy

Bottom line is Shane Wolf, who was 10-1(30% of IC's total wins) and threw 70.1 innings(20% of all innings pitched) didn't throw an inning in the regional and some people on this board don't find something wrong with that?
Hind sight being 20/20, that looks to be one of the most laughable events of this years NCAA D-3 regionals!
Why throw the kid 70 innings regular season and shelf him come tournament time?
They saved the kid for the game that was never to be!

Coaches roll the dice. It happens. Oshkosh went two-and-out this year without throwing Jeremy Rubens, who was 10-2 (35% of wins) with 7 saves and a 2.27 ERA in 83.1 IP (25% of IP). That's the same Rubens who beat Whitewater, St. Thomas and Stevens Point this year. So, IC is not alone.

[Pat Coleman]

Pat,
Thanks for the permission to re-post my thoughts, I was waiting for you to give me the go ahead before re-posting big guy

I don't know what that's supposed to mean. I posted that immediately after I yanked your post.

[DTrain24]

Regarding the non-use of Wolf, I noticed he had DH'd all three games, despite primarily playing 1B when he wasn't pitching all season.  I'm guessing he must have had some sort of arm issue to not only not throw an inning but not play defensively either.

[scuba16]

It means that this is a Public Forum and I don't need your permission to post or re-post my thoughts as you clearly tried to grant me permission when you said:
"scuba16 -- if you'd like to try again to get your post through without being a jerk about it, I welcome the attempt."

I suppose you want me to thank you oh great administrator guy for allowing me to post on YOUR forum, Give me a break and get off your high horse!

[Ralph Turner]

It means that this is a Public Forum and I don't need your permission to post or re-post my thoughts as you clearly tried to grant me permission when you said:
"scuba16 -- if you'd like to try again to get your post through without being a jerk about it, I welcome the attempt."

I suppose you want me to thank you oh great administrator guy for allowing me to post on YOUR forum, Give me a break and get off your high horse!

Scuba, I will answer that one...

These are the terms of service that you received when you opened your posting account on these boards.  I don't know what was in the post, but these two might cover it.

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[Bob Maxwell]

I am the one who brought up the possibility of the SUNYAC elminating its post season tournament... but have heard that the AD's have decided to keep it.  As they view it as a step backwards to eliminate it.  One of the things that were tied to eliminating it was playing 3 games agasint each of the other 6 conference oponents (SUNY-IT is moving to I beleive the NEAC)... So while its been talked about recently in this thread, it looks like the tournament will stay.  I think that is a VERY GOOD thing.

As for the Empire-8 not having one... John's point of only 5 teams in the conference for baseball is the most obvious reason it doesn't have one.  They alreayd play each team 4 times... and only one team wouldn't go to the tournament.  Ithaca's wanting or not wanting one isn't an issue... they get one vote for or against it.  The other 4 could vote it in.  But have not... so they don't have one.



I wondered about Wolf possibly being hurt (he did pitch the previous week against Montclair)... but have no information to say either way.  How about this as a possibility.  The move was made for defensive reasons... Ferguson had been a 3rd and 1st baseman in his previous years, and was moved from the outfield where he is not that experienced (yes he did laye there most of the season).  And he was a better defensive first baseman then Wolf... and Wolf playing DH, made it easier for him to come out of the Bull Pen if needed.  Just a thought....

Its all water under the bridge at this point... but I thought I'd put my two cents in.

[JQV]

It means that this is a Public Forum

Actually, it isn't.  In fact, it isn't even a quasi-public forum.

See Perry Education Ass'n v. Perry Local Educators Ass'n, 460 U.S. 37 (1983): A public forum is a place "which by long tradition or by government fiat have been devoted to assembly and debate" such as a public park or sidewalk.

Either way it doesn't matter as the public forum doctrine only applies to limit the government's ability to censor speech.  I am not first amendment lawyer but I am fairly certain Pat isn't subject to the bill of rights.