BB: Regional (Mid-East) Terre Haute '08, Adrian '09, Marietta '10, '11

[macdade77]

The discerning criteria is that a host must have a lighted diamond in order to secure a Regional tourney. Said requirement eliminates many schools right away.

[EttaFan1]

Who is in who is out? 

For he sake of discussion until the seeds are awarded next Sunday....who do you think makes it and who gets left on the outside looking in?

1 marietta (pool a or pool c)
2 'Berg (pool a or pool c)
3 Case Western Reserve (pool b or pool c)
4 Adrian (pool a - already clinched)
6 Manchester (pool a hcac)
7 Thomas More (pool a PrAC)
8 Wabash (pool a NCAC clinched).

Unless someone gets shipped out (entirely possible) I see this as an 8 team field, due in part to the success of Case this year. 

[Ralph Turner]

Who is in who is out? 

For he sake of discussion until the seeds are awarded next Sunday....who do you think makes it and who gets left on the outside looking in?

1 marietta (pool a or pool c)
2 'Berg (pool a or pool c)
3 Case Western Reserve (pool b or pool c)
4 Adrian (pool a - already clinched)
6 Manchester (pool a hcac)
7 Thomas More (pool a PrAC)
8 Wabash (pool a NCAC clinched).

Unless someone gets shipped out (entirely possible) I see this as an 8 team field, due in part to the success of Case this year. 

I agree with the 8 teams in the field.  My only caveat is that the four 6-team brackets must go to the West, to the South if played at Rhodes, the Midwest and the Central, due to geographical constraints and proximity.

I would not be surprised to see the 3 lower (and "western") picks moved to a bracket someplace farther west.

I think that conveniently, moving the South Regional to another venue this season is a wise thing to do.

[EttaFan1]

Except I can't count. There are only 7 teams on my list. 

An 8 team field leaves room for one more at large or an out of region team to be sent here (like ps beherend was last year). Rumblings of LaRoche have come about. But do not know.

[Ralph Turner]

    My bad!

I overlooked #5!         

You have a good point.  Having the 7-team bracket in the Mideast may be a good place to have it, so the national committee can fill brackets that are geographically farther west, if the South Regional is played in Millington, TN.

[EttaFan1]

OAC Tournament:  Marietta, Heidelberg, Mount Union and John Carroll
HCAC Tournament:  Manchester, Franklin, Rose Hulman, Anderson
PrAC Tournament:  Thomas More, Washington and Jefferson, Grove City and Westminster.

MIAA: Adrian (no tourney)
NCAC: Wabash (Tourney Champ)

[forheavendial4999]

OAC Tournament:  Marietta, Heidelberg, Mount Union and John Carroll
HCAC Tournament:  Manchester, Franklin, Rose Hulman, Anderson
PrAC Tournament:  Thomas More, Washington and Jefferson, Grove City and Westminster.

MIAA: Adrian (no tourney)
NCAC: Wabash (Tourney Champ)

Franklin, Rose-Hulman and Thomas More would be within 500 miles of Millington, TN. So is Wabash.

I have a feeling there are going to be some PA and VA/MD schools in Marietta.

[Ralph Turner]

And sometimes, a team wants to take its chances against teams from another region!

It kinda makes the tournament "more national" in feel.

The West had 2 members in Wisconsin in the ?2007? tourney with Chapman and Linfield.

[EttaFan1]

Curious to know...What does the NCAA use as criteria for sending a team to a differen region. 

Is it a lower rated team, strictly based on geography for travel purposes?  Does anyone really know?

[CrashDavisD3]

Curious to know...What does the NCAA use as criteria for sending a team to a differen region. 

Is it a lower rated team, strictly based on geography for travel purposes?  Does anyone really know?

$$$$$$ - All about the money with the NCAA

Example in recent years is Linfield going to Central Region. It had to Fly so going to the Central Region was almost the same distance as the West Regional for them in 2007.

[OshDude]

Curious to know...What does the NCAA use as criteria for sending a team to a differen region.  

Is it a lower rated team, strictly based on geography for travel purposes?  Does anyone really know?

From the 2011 Handbook. In essence, if you don't host and are within 500 miles of other sites, you could move. A regional in Millington could shake up things a bit.

Once automatic qualifiers are identified and the Pools B and C teams are selected, the following guidelines should be followed:
• Once selected, teams will be grouped in clusters according to natural geographic proximity. Teams will then be paired according to geographic proximity. A team may be moved to numerically balance the bracket if geographic proximity is maintained. Teams should be paired and eligible sites should be selected according to geographic proximity (within 500 miles).
• Teams may be seeded on a regional basis using the regional selection criteria. However, geographic proximity takes precedence over seeding.
• Teams from the same conference do not have to play one another in the first round as long as geographic proximity is maintained.

[EttaFan1]

Thanks OshDude.  Good stuff...

More or less....If there is another regional within 500 miles of your school, you may have a really long bus ride to make things work.

[EttaFan1]

Interesting discussion going on in the South Region board http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=7334.90

What's interesting is that the location for the South Regional is at the Western edge of that reason, and 4 of the six teams currently in the regional rankings are more than 500 miles away from Millington.  This means the NCAA has to pick up the air-fare to send them out there, which is seemingly unlikely.  The discussion is centering around teams from the MidEast region who are within 500 miles of Millington (memphis) could be shipped to the South.

Those include Thomas More (PrAC), Wabash (NCAC), Franklin, Manchester, and Rose Hulman (all of the HCAC).  Could it be that three Mideast teams get shipped to TN?  And then who gets sent to Marietta to fill out our region?

Shenandoah (South, Pool C) goes somewhere.  Putting them here sends puts #1/2 Marietta, #3/4 Shenendoah, and #7/9 Heidelberg and #13/20 Adrian all in the same region.  Talk about "Top Heavy".  Shendandoah could also go to the NY region with Cortland(#6)and Brockport (Others receiving votes).  And they could go to the Mid-Atlantic Region with Kean #3/4) and Alvernia (15/18).  Either of these options would make the regionals more balanced.

Salisbury (#4 in the South), and #31/33 nationally ranked must go somewhere.  They could also end up in Marietta, the Mid Atlantic or  New York Regions. 

We could get a return of one of the Penn State branches or LaRoche from the AMCC here as well.

It is just interesting to see that what we might have been expecting to see in the region probably won't be what we see based on the geography which takes precedence. 

As an aside...What would be the opinion of any Heidelberg and Marietta Fans of seeing 'Berg go to a different region to not have to play Marietta potentially again? 

[focusandfire]

In additon to Shenandoah and Salisbury, you have to consider Randolph Macon and Frostburg.   Seems like Salisbury will go to the Mid-Atlantic and Frostburg will go to the Mideast.   Not sure about Shenandoah and Randolph Macon.  The Mid-Atlantic and the Mideast are about the same distance from Shendoah.  The Mid-Atlantic is closer for RM. 

[EttaFan1]

There are any number of possibilities to make the numbers work.  Frostburg and RM could be here or there or anywhere.

Imagine a MidEast tourney that looks like this....

1.  Marietta
2.  CNU
3.  Shenendoah
4.  Heidelberg
5.  Adrian
and anyone else to make it 6-8 teams.  Yowza!  (Good thing I'm taking vacation time next week to see it regardless of who is playing!)