MBB: Great Northeast Athletic Conference

[pjunito]

I knew someone that worked at Presque-Isle.. Had to look on a map to see where it was.. She basically was in Canada.. lol. She thought I was a nice guy and I got a shirt.

Still wear it today, maybe the best t-shirt I ever had, got it in 2004 and hasn't faded. Maybe, I will wear at the next Albertus game. lol.

[D3HoopJunkie]

7, my story isn't as good as PJs.  I saw it on the movie, loved the movie and went online and order one LOL. But like PJs mine hasn't faded yet either haha.

[7express]

Time to log onto sports Authority and or Dick's sporting goods and try to find one, lol

[magicman]

Junkie a game is a region game if it counts one of these 3 criteria:

1) The schools are located 200 miles from each other using this website: https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles
2) The schools are in the same geographic region as noted on the D3 page (i.e. Northeast, East, Atlantic, Middle Atlantic, South, Great Lakes, West & Midwest)
3) The schools are located in the same administration region as definined by the NCAA.  Those a bit more complicated and those administration regions are really weird (i.e Catholic in DC is in the same admin region as Maine-Presque Isle a school located about 1,000 miles north of it), but more of those admin regions is availaible on the FAQ link I think.
Also ALL conference games count as in-region, so that's how NYU & Brandeis games against Emory & Wash U count.
Also, it doesn't matter where the games played.  If Albertus & Western played in Berlin, Germany, the game would be still be in region because they are in the same geographic & admin region and less than 200 miles.

So, since Purchase & Albertus are less than 200 miles, that counts as in region. 
If Albertus ever schedule Maine-Presque Isle, that will also count as "in region."  The schools are more than 200 miles apart, but they are in the same geographgic region.
Maine-Presque Isle & Catholic are in different geographic regions, more than 200 miles, but because they are in the same admin regions, that game will also count as in region.
Now a game with Oswego would be out of region: more than 200 miles (322.4), different admin regions & different geographic regions.

Hope that helped a little junkie.

7express and D3HoopJunkie,

There are new rules in place for what constitutes a regional game this year. Basically in most conferences especialy in the East and Northeast just about every game you play is now considered a regional game. The only games that aren't counted are those against a non D3 team or a provisional D3 team. For example:

Plattsburgth State went to New Jersey for a tournament in November and played Richard Stockton and Bridgewater State. They then went to Florida and played Millikin and Wisconsin-Stout out of the midwest over the Christmas holidays. According to the criteria you've listed above, 7express, none of these games would be considered a regional game. That would be true if it were last year. However this year all 4 of those games are considered to be regional games for Plattsburgh State. Here are the new rules for what constitutes a regional contest, effective this year. This is from a post that Dave McHugh had posted on the East Region board because we had a poster who thought the same as you did 7,  that the regional criteria was the same as last year.

To make the explaination easier... if a team plays 70% of their games in their region (or as regional games per the definition of regional games we have been using for years), then ALL of their games will count towards primary criteria. We may see "regional record" on the SOS data in a few weeks (I don't know what it will actually look like), but primary criteria is now all-games-count unless you didn't hit the threshold (and didn't get a waiver). If that is the case, then only your in-region record will count in primary criteria.

If curious... 18 games is the magic numbers as 70% of a basketball schedule max of 25 games is 17.5. And no conference tournament games count towards the 70%... it has to be the schedule submitted to the NCAA before the season begins (I think that deadline is in September).

So in the case of Plattsburgh State (and most teams in our neck of the woods) since Plattsburgh plays 18 conference games and of course they are all considered regional games under the regional criteria, then Plattsburgh has played at least 70% of their games against regional opponents. It turns out that Plattsburgh would have played 21 regional games under last years rules as those 4 games I mentioned above wouldn't count, but this year the Cardinals will have all 25 of their games count toward their regional record.

Hope this helps to straighten things out. 

[D3HoopJunkie]

Thank you very much Magic. That certainly does help out more and provides a deeper understand into the criteria that I was questioning in the first place.

Also I have read on some of the other threads that regional rankings come out next week and not this week. Is that true? When is the exact date? 

[7express]

Thank you very much Magic. That certainly does help out more and provides a deeper understand into the criteria that I was questioning in the first place.

Also I have read on some of the other threads that regional rankings come out next week and not this week. Is that true? When is the exact date?

From what I remember the last couple years it's usually Wednesday around 4-4:30 PM.  The only reason I knew this was because I had a 5:30 Wednesday class in Danbury the last 2 years and for those 2-3 weeks I'd always be late for class because I wouldn't leave until they released the rankings.  This year with Wednesdays off for me, watch the NCAA release them at 10 AM now    So that would leave the first release date February 12 probably in the 4-5 PM range.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Let me clear something up... the regional criteria has NOT changed... not one bit. However, what is considered in primary criteria HAS changed.

A team must play 70% of their schedule against a Division III opponent in their region. To determine what game counts as in-region you go to the four ways a game counts (conference game, same designated region, within 200 miles, or in the same administrative region. IF a team meets that 70% criteria... then ALL of their Division III games will count when considering primary criteria. (Most teams meet this criteria pretty easily, especially in double-round-robin conferences or in regions like the East Coast where traveling to get games is easy.) If a team does NOT meet this criteria and is not approved for a waiver, than ONLY their in-region games (in the four ways they are achieved) can count in primary criteria which also includes their SOS math. That puts a team at a major disadvantage.

Make sense?

As for regional rankings... they are released on the final three Wednesdays of the season usually in the mid-afternoon time frame (first ones tend to be a bit tardy for whatever reasons). This year you will have your first regional rankings on February 12.

[D3HoopJunkie]

Yes Dave it all makes sense to me now after piecing everything together from yourself, 7 and Magic. Thank you for all the information. It was most helpful. Also thank you for the regional ranking information as well. I look forward to next weeks rankings.

[D3HoopJunkie]

Im not seeing any Video (V) links for the Albertus vs Anna Maria game on any of the schedules. I checked The Albertus website, Anna Maria website and D3Hoops.com sked? Anyone know why?? I know Anna Maria had a feed last year???

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Im not seeing any Video (V) links for the Albertus vs Anna Maria game on any of the schedules. I checked The Albertus website, Anna Maria website and D3Hoops.com sked? Anyone know why?? I know Anna Maria had a feed last year???

A lot of times the teams won't load the video links to the site, but they still exist.  If you don't have video for every game or a full time SID to keep it updated, some of those links get lost in the shuffle.  Let's just be glad almost everybody is turning in final scores these days.

You can go to the team schedule page (you can generally find the links to each program's home page on their team page at d3hoops.com).  Just click on the home team on the scoreboard, then click on the link for the team's website, and find schedule.  I find a decent number of livestats and video feeds that way, even when they're not linked from the scoreboard.

[GnacBballFan]

Well, as someone once said: "a win, is a win is a win." Albertus beat the amcats by 34 last time. A 14 pt lead 9 mins in looked like it was a repeat. But Ana Maria shot lifhts out, barillo in particular, and made this a closer game then expected. Scratching my head right now

[lildave678]

I know we keep harping on this team being the most talented ever at AMC but man this stuff is getting frustrating. Cool, we dropped 109. We shot a staggering 58% from the field. We can out score anyone at any time...but there's not a chance in heck any team in the sweet 16 is giving up ONE HUNDRED AND FOUR points to a 6-7 GNAC team. I know we never were a great defensive team PPG wise, but that's absurd. I don't know if they get in this mindset where they KNOW they're gonna score on every possession so they can get lazy on D, but I figured the game against St. Joes would have gotten them out of that after they didn't score at will.

As for positives, as bad as the D was you can't overlook 109 points and 58% from the floor. 79.5% from the charity stripe is great too. It's nice to see 6 guys in double figures.

Did anyone watch the game? I just don't understand why Jennings only took 4 three's. I can't explain seeing 2-10, 3-12 but when he's 4-4 he doesn't launch again? I'm assuming maybe they were closing hard on him so he took it to the rack (hence 10 FT attempts)? Hopefully someone can elaborate.

All in all, like GNAC said, this game is a head scratcher. At this point, I'm way less confident heading into the GNAC tourney, not even looking at the NCAA anymore!

[Saint-Paul]

Final Score :  Norwich  70  /  Emmanuel  60


     Watching the Saints game plan is like hearing fingernails scratch a blackboard.  Seeing the Saints open the game with their traditional full court man to man defense leaves me shaking my head.  Norwich is not a very good team ( 4-15 ).  They are not big, not long, not athletic, and don't shoot extremely well, but when they are allowed open driving lanes, uncontested layups, and wide open jump shots they look like a tournament team. To say this was a winnable game would be an understatement.  As soon as the Cadets saw Emmanuel open the game in a full court man press they immediately ran off 11 points to get off to a good start before Emmanuel could even call a time out. This set the tone for the game. The Saints man defense is so poor that Norwich shot 60% from the field in the second half of this game.  Over half of Norwich's field goals were layups. When a team is struggling for any win, most coaches come up with a game plan that will keep your team close and hope to get hot in the last 3 minutes and steal a win.  Not the Saints.  The Saints like to spot their opponent a double digit lead in the first 5 minutes of the game and then spend the rest of the game trying to play catch up.  This is a difficult strategy if you don't have any sharpshooters on the team.  I can't believe that the Saints players buy into this strategy of full court pressing every opponent.  Giving up layup after layup to mediocre teams must take a toll on team moral.

[Saint-Paul]

Preview :  J&W  /  Emmanuel

      No preview necessary for this game,  just try and keep it under 60 tonight coach !!  If the Saints come out pressing in full court man to man against this very athletic J&W team the refs should stop the game on account of stupidity.

[D3HoopJunkie]

No secret it's been a tough couple last games for the Falcons. But today I think they snap out of it with a much needed home game against a 4-15 Mount Ida team who with no disrespect isn't even in the same class as Albertus.

This is one of those games where Albertus should focus heavily on defense knowing that you're going to be able to score in bunches against this opponent. Work on shutting them down from the perimeter and getting after every loose ball.

Lets Go Falcons!!! Its time to get it back on track!!