MBB: Great Northeast Athletic Conference

[dman]

pat,

  it really was a case of a guy using his d3 job as a stepping stone to something else.  svc has had some really talented players in the past- guys like raphael salazar, anthony harvey, tim nicholas, etc...but when the job opened up again, after rob nugent, a former williams assistant, left, a guy named ryan marks was given the job.  he was a d1 assistant at a school in chicago, and brought with him a few of his recruits, like lydale waller, who played at a junior college and another kid who was a real stud(but i can't remember his name!!).  marks ended up going to a d2 school in texas that i've never heard of(it has some kind of christian name, i believe).  this year's team had a few of the remaining recruits from that team- hammond, and the kid from france....waller was talented enough to go overseas, but i don't know what happened to the rest of them....

[dman]

i would add that mike mcdonough, the coach at svc now, is from bennington; a good coach; and a great guy...unlike some of the transients that svc has had in the past........

[GnacAlum55]

What's your point?  I think that you are validating what Pat said, that those guys are no longer there and the program is NOT the same.  It was good for a few years, but now it stinks.  

[dman]

mcdonough may bring stability to the program that wasn't there before.  it was pretty obvious that the four previous coaches were there to advance themselves and were there temporarily.  i don't know much about gnac, svc, or mcdonough.  he may or may not be able to recruit like d1 and d2 guys with connections.  svc may never be "good" again, but it looks like at least having a local guy, with roots in the area, might help bring in "student"-athletes to the program.....

[Pat Coleman]

I think that you are validating what Pat said, that those guys are no longer there and the program is NOT the same.

Funny, I read it the exact same way. And that was the point I was going for, indeed.

[dman]

if your definition of a good program is one that has a revolving door of coaches and brings in transfer students from junior colleges and d1 schools, then i guess svc was a pretty "good" program over the past few years, but it sounds awfully d1-like to me.  their roster would remind me of '96 rowan.  i have a different view of what a d3 "program" is.....so i'll leave it that svc was never any good to begin with, and i'll change my view, if mcdonough stays for more than another couple of years.......

[THE BIG MAN]

if you think that you must be wrong when the season starts you will see a different type of southern vermont college bball team the will take on all changellengers and show that they are here to stay and there is nothing to stop them

[Pat Coleman]

if your definition of a good program is one that has a revolving door of coaches and brings in transfer students from junior colleges and d1 schools, then i guess svc was a pretty "good" program over the past few years, but it sounds awfully d1-like to me.  their roster would remind me of '96 rowan.  i have a different view of what a d3 "program" is.....so i'll leave it that svc was never any good to begin with, and i'll change my view, if mcdonough stays for more than another couple of years.......

did you guys forget that svc won the gnac three years ago, and won its first game in the ncaa's???

Which is it? Are we ignoring the Marks Madness or embracing it, depending on the day?

[dman]

i'm going with mcdonough madness.... my first post was merely to inform the other folks that it really wasn't that long ago that svc had a great record...i'd like to see the current coach stay there for a while and develop the program.......

[GnacAlum55]

if you think that you must be wrong when the season starts you will see a different type of southern vermont college bball team the will take on all changellengers and show that they are here to stay and there is nothing to stop them

Dude, this is a seriously poor run-on sentence.  Getting a quality education at SVC, eh?  Another exapmle of why they don't belong in the league.

[carolina]

Well I must add my two cents to this post as well since THE BIG MAN seems to think the world of svc. He thinks the women are going to be good and now the men. Yes the men were good a couple of years ago but, as long as the men's coaching position is part-time they will never be that competitive again. They have a couple of standout players like Hammond but thats it. Mcdonough is a great coach but he doesnt have the time to recruit when he is only part time.

To whomever mentioned starting men's volleyball was because they wanted to drop baseball....you are wrong!!!! They started mens volleyball to get rid of mens and womens track and cross country because they couldnt field teams.
Not to mention Men's volleyball will never take off at SVC. Just like any other sport it is a rec program. They do not belong in any conference. The so called AD is dillusional if he ever thinks they will be competitive. Coaches go to SVC knowing they are not going to stay, like someone said its a stepping stone. They do not pay well and there is nothing to offer any recruits. Its really not the coaches fault if the programs suck unless unqualified people were hired, which has happened in the past. Then, when they do get qualified people they push them out because the higher ups do not want someone smarter than them. THe school isnt run correctly and the people there in certain positions are not even qualified to be in those positions but I wont get into any details. BIG MAN you really need to get a grasp on reality and start going to class because your grammar and spelling are horrific!!!!!!!!!

[THE BIG MAN]

you can say what you want put the reason the girls  at svc suck was because of the girls and the guys got a new coach and are trying to find the rythm you will see the stats next year

[carolina]

Again BIG MAN your typing and spelling are impressive. I never said the Coach for the SVC men wasn't good. I think he is very good  but you can only coach the talent you have. As far as the women the most competitive they will ever be is last year when they won a whopping 5 games...most since they been in the NCAA and conference. Now that they not only have a new coach but lost most of their players they were rebuilding with they do not stand a chance. As far as any other sport at SVC the Women's programs have been the most successful (with the exception of men's bball under the Marks era). The women's basketball program had more wins than the men in 2004 and the women's volleyball and softball had more wins than anyone, not to mention the women's soccer team made it to playoffs for the first time in school history. So as far as the men's programs they need a little work but again I do not blame the coaches, they are doing the best with what they have and with what the school provides them.

[the_real_gnac]

Well it's obvious almost everyone hates SVC but as stated this wasn't the issue about 3 years ago.It is for sure Marks was able to bring in a gang of talented players from all levels, that hands down did more as far as distance in the NCAA than any team in GNAC history.As far as recruiting how hard do you think it is to get a talented player to spend 4 years of his life in a town like Nashua or Bennington(probably easier to get a Dweb Duke scrimmage)and actually Mcdonough did bring in d-2 players one in which being hammond who played in the marks era but returned. Another threat that has returned is sean keys who also played with marks also returning from a d-2 school that made the tourney.Alot of you people talk about the GNAC like its the ACC its not and far from it.With low budgets in more than half the schools/programs and highschool referees.As far as next season it will be alot of changes especially with the new teams and recruiting class.  But i feel its too earlier to count any team out or give any team too much credit. Dman you obviously have been watching SVC for a while if you know about the salazaar and harvey days but it doesn't seem like you realize the impact of gaining a new coach with less experience if i do remmeber marks team won 6 or 8 games the season before the blow out recruiting year.I personaly feel next year there will be some great games between all teams and a couplle of the sleeper teams will cause many people to bite their tongues( I mean who expected emmauel to lose 1 GNAC game then lose to emerson).until next time

[rudebuoyz]

WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW CAROLINA..THIS REALLY DOES SOUND LIKE A CASE OF SOUR GRAPES...DID U LOSE YOUR JOB AT SOUTHERN VERMONT?...COS YOUR KILLING ME WITH YOUR NEGATIVITY....QUIT BROODING OVER YOUR MISHAPPENINGS AND LOOK IN THE MIRROR WHEN U FEEL LIKE BLAMING SOMEONE FOR SVC'S SO-CALLED "FLAWS IN RECRUITING AND RUNNING THEIR SYSTEM"...YOU REALLY DO SOUND LIKE AN EVICTED TENANT WITH ALL DAT LAMENTING....
NO...i AM NOT A HATER AND I really do agree with u when u say,"Its really not the coaches fault if the programs suck unless unqualified people were hired," with emphasis on "unless unqualified people were hired." ponder over this for a minute and you'll understand the basics of certain moves made by Southern Vermont with respect to its sports department......dont get me wrong...i am not applauding the works of the athletic department of this college but I am sheding light on the mere fact that certain moves they have made are steps in the right direction for example...hiring a better qualified coach for the girls basketball team. bare in mind that quick results are not always the best results but steady and permanent results are the superior of the two possible outcomes.... aka it does not matter if in your words "The women's basketball program had more wins than the men in 2004 and the women's volleyball and softball had more wins than anyone, not to mention the women's soccer team made it to playoffs for the first time in school history." the question is was this a one day wonder or was this going to be a permanent thing under the then existent coach...like any smart person who knows the little there is to know about SVC sports, the adminstration figured the answer to this question quick and made the appropriate changes.....
LAST but not LEAST..."do not sleep on neither the men nor women basketball teams in svc for the coming bball season...cos you will be disappointed if you do"
I said my piece.
Carolina you can come back again with your really bitter opinion...i await that.