WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[foul_language]

I thought some of the Stout women looked like deer in the headlights early on in the game--except Savanah, she just thunders on--and I think that had a lot to do with WW coming out like gangbusters from the start. My out-loud comment was I didn't think WW could hold up for four quarters at that pace. I think they made complete disruption in the first quarter and a half, and then they tired a bit, and Stout's bottomless cup of players took over. It looked sloppy, because perhaps neither team was playing its game, so I prefer disrupted over sloppy. Things got settled a bit more later in the second half, and Stout just did its thing.

[Mr. Downtown]

Conference Seedings


1    Stout               10-1
8    Platteville          2-8 


4    Stevens Point    6-4
5    La Crosse          6-5


3   Whitewater        6-4
6   River Falls           6-5


2   Eau Claire           7-4
7   Oshkosh             4-7

[The Champ]

Wioth all those teams with 4 or 5 losses, the seedings can and probably will change by the time the last game is played on my birthday (begging for birthday presents is allowed, isn't it???).

[hoops49]

maybe even bribes....

[The Champ]

maybe even bribes....

Regretfully, I won't be able to be at the last regular game of the season at Johnson Fieldhouse against LaCrosse...

My wife's employer is having their "Holiday Gala" at the Ritz in Washington D.C. and I'll be in a black suit and tie for most if not all of the game (5:00 PM tip off in theory - most likely 5:30 PM in actuality - which means 6:30 PM for me out east).

I'll be needing text message updates throughout the game!!!

Stoutguy, do you have one of my phones???

If you don't know how to text message, I'll be giving a remedial class immediately following the RF game on Wednesday.

[stoutguy]

maybe even bribes....

Regretfully, I won't be able to be at the last regular game of the season at Johnson Fieldhouse against LaCrosse...

My wife's employer is having their "Holiday Gala" at the Ritz in Washington D.C. and I'll be in a black suit and tie for most if not all of the game (5:00 PM tip off in theory - most likely 5:30 PM in actuality - which means 6:30 PM for me out east).

I'll be needing text message updates throughout the game!!!

Stoutguy, do you have one of my phones???If you don't know how to text message, I'll be giving a remedial class immediately following the RF game on Wednesday.

No, but if you make me a good deal on one I will text message scores from that Stout game every time Jake screams threeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee and I'm looking for something to do.

[The Champ]

No, but if you make me a good deal on one I will text message scores from that Stout game every time Jake screams threeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee and I'm looking for something to do.

Well, we can get you a phone for free (is that cheap enough)?   But you will have to pay for the service.

Just talked to Mrs. Champ, and got "official" approval for text messages during the gala.  Like she won't be dying to know the score herself....

Otherwise, I guess I'll have to talk to some of the players and see if one of their parents will take care of a diehard fan like me...

[The Champ]

Week 9 poll is up.

Stout moves up to #10!!!
Other WIAC teams garnering votes but not ranked:

UW-Stevens Point 11
UW-Whitewater 4

[bulk19]

Hey Champ =

BTW - I just noticed that the WIAC attendance numbers now show that EC draws a larger crowd on the road than they do at home (698 at home and 803 on the road).  I wonder what changed that statistic???   

Not sure if you looked at updated stats on the WIAC page; maybe the Platteville game wasn't added in yet... But so far the 'Golds are drawing 698 per game at home, over 9 games...

But the road total (5,919) is only 740 per game over 8 away games... That in part is due to the great crowds at Stout (2,014), Oshkosh (942) and St. Cloud State, a D2 school, that drew 1,234 for that game...

The Golds also have played three away games that were considered neutral courts. During those games, they understandibly drew only 584 fans, since they weren't playing the host school. That adds up to 195 per game...

So, if you were to total all 11 games the 'Golds have been on the road (6503), they have averaged 591 per game...

We have two more home games coming up, which usually draw well - Point on Wednesday and Oshkosh, too. So the home numbers will hopefully go up... They should; if they don't, something is wrong in Gotham City...Got UWRF, Superior and Whitewater on the road left, so we'll see how those games turn out...

Then, of course, tournament games will factor into the final picture...

[The Champ]

Hey Champ =

BTW - I just noticed that the WIAC attendance numbers now show that EC draws a larger crowd on the road than they do at home (698 at home and 803 on the road).  I wonder what changed that statistic???   

Not sure if you looked at updated stats on the WIAC page; maybe the Platteville game wasn't added in yet... But so far the 'Golds are drawing 698 per game at home, over 9 games...

But the road total (5,919) is only 740 per game over 8 away games... That in part is due to the great crowds at Stout (2,014), Oshkosh (942) and St. Cloud State, a D2 school, that drew 1,234 for that game...

Well, I thought that would get a rise out of you...

And yes, I used the stats that were available at the time of posting, which did not have Saturday's games included yet.  If I had had the current information posted on the WIAC page, Stout's attendance (highest in the WIAC) would have increased to 1318.

Yup, the road numbers went down, not surprising when Saturday's road game was so far away from EC that the attendance was below Platteville's average for a home game.

The Golds also have played three away games that were considered neutral courts. During those games, they understandibly drew only 584 fans, since they weren't playing the host school. That adds up to 195 per game...

So, if you were to total all 11 games the 'Golds have been on the road (6503), they have averaged 591 per game...

No,  neutral courts aren't figured into road totals and are a totally separate stat. 

Your official road game attendance (per the WIAC, not me) is now 740, still a higher number than your home game attendance, not the 591 that you attempt to suggest to make it appear that road attendance is less, not more than home attendance to date.  But you knew that, didn't you... 

As long as you brought up the topic though, Stout had three neutral site games too - and FWIW, the average attendance was 282 for the three games.  Who really cares - right?

We have two more home games coming up, which usually draw well - Point on Wednesday and Oshkosh, too. So the home numbers will hopefully go up... They should; if they don't, something is wrong in Gotham City...Got UWRF, Superior and Whitewater on the road left, so we'll see how those games turn out...

Yes, home attendance should go up.  Although I don't know how much.  Point and Oshkosh have a pretty good rivalry and are located fairly close.  They only drew an average of 400 (577 and 224) per game for their home and away series.

Then, of course, tournament games will factor into the final picture...

Will EC get a home game? 

With 5 teams (EC, Point, Oshkosh, WW and LaCrosse) grouped so tightly together, and the fact that 2 of the 5 will most likely be on the road to start the WIAC tourney I don't see where any of those 5 can be comfortable on playing a home game yet.

[Blue Devil Backer]

Champ  I be at all the Stout games like I all the time am  so I will be more than glad to Text you during the STOUT/ LAX  game talk to you In river Wed. I think you know who I am I sit front row across from the team at all home games

[The Champ]

Hey BDB, glad to see you posting!

I really would appreciate scoring updates during the LaCrosse game.  Maybe during every media timeout, half time and then the final score.

All I need is the score.

See you tomorrow BDB...

GO BLUEDEVILS!!!

[bulk19]

Champ -

Yes, I realize there are home, road and neutral games. That's why I led off my statment posting those numbers, updating your incorrect number. Yes, they do show that UWEC on average has played before bigger crowds at road games than at home games. So far...

I am not attempting to suggest, nor imply, that the road totals are less than the home totals. You have inferred incorrectly. I merely added the three neutral games to the total of the roads, to show what the average crowd size is for the games that have been played outside of Zorn arena. They are on the road, which is what I stated, but are not considered "road games."

Wednesday's game against Stevens Point should have a decent crowd, with 300+ youngsters being invited for Team Night, much like Stout had against the Golds...

Since the 1990s, with a brief interlude during the recent 2000s for the UWSP and Stout title runs, Oshkosh has been the 'Golds biggest rivalry. Most of the biggest attendances at Zorn throughout the history have been played against the Titans. I expect that will continue, as things are going down to the wire in this conference, and for this team, which holds its own destiny for second place...

Will UWEC get a home game? Yep. As many as possible is the team goal...

And as far as anybody caring about all this and neutral games and what all? You were the one to first raise the attendance figures, not me... 

[The Champ]

Champ -

Yes, I realize there are home, road and neutral games. That's why I led off my statment posting those numbers, updating your incorrect number. Yes, they do show that UWEC on average has played before bigger crowds at road games than at home games. So far...

My numbers were what the WIAC had on their website at the time of my post, just like I told you in my last post.

I am not attempting to suggest, nor imply, that the road totals are less than the home totals. You have inferred incorrectly. I merely added the three neutral games to the total of the roads, to show what the average crowd size is for the games that have been played outside of Zorn arena. They are on the road, which is what I stated, but are not considered "road games."

Neutral game sites were totally irrelevant to the topic.  You chose to do so and posted this:

So, if you were to total all 11 games the 'Golds have been on the road (6503), they have averaged 591 per game...

If you had no intent to suggest or imply, why even bring the topic up, much less post the average attendance if those numbers were inclueded?  The inference was crystal clear. 

Will UWEC get a home game? Yep. As many as possible is the team goal...

They may.  But it's not guaranteed.  You have to play four other teams that are fighting to play at least one WIAC Tourney game on their home court.  Those four teams just might have a different opinion.

You were the one to first raise the attendance figures, not me... 

Let's get this straight...  You posted this:

Good crowds here still, but I hope some of the students are around to put their fannies in the seats, since classes start Monday...

Then I posted this:

Getting the fans in the stands is important.  It let's the teams know that they have support!!!  Nothing worse than playing in a (virtually) empty fieldhouse.

And then in the spirit of your post, I took the time to post the YTD attendance numbers (alphabetically) for all teams in the WIAC.

It was you who then posted attendance numbers going back 1999, and the only reason was to strut past history, because as your post (back on page 76) documented that EC attendance has declined since your "glory days". 

Did I tweak you with the home/road numbers for EC in that recent post?  Sure I did.  If you'd just accepted the friendly tweak, there'd be a lot less words posted on this board right now. 

But just like last time, you totally overreacted.

[foul_language]

...And this is how battles start.

I think you guys NOW need to compare the numbers of students in the school, as well as the population of the home city (in which the university resides) and create some formula that figures the average attendance at home games against the two other statistics, so we all have an idea if attendance has to do with fan BASE or fan-aticism. You'll probably also have to factor in the number of alternate activities on the nights of the game and the number of major exams and papers due on those dates and days immediately following. I think these are all very important considerations, because they all affect the numbers of people in attendance at home games. For away games, distance and several of the 'home game' factors could come into play.

Start your engines, and good luck.