WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

Hoosier Titan · February 05, 2009, 12:16:56 PM

Quote from: JMM on February 05, 2009, 10:05:42 AM
While IL Wes. has no loses, they have had a very easy schedule. I think the NCAA will not make IL Wes. the #1 seed (similiar to St Thomas being #2 in the men's ranking - though St Thomas is undefeated).

Hello WIAC folks,

This season Illinois Wesleyan has defeated DePauw (#3 at the time) on a neutral court, Wash U (#7 at the time) at Wash U, and Chicago (#12 at the time) at Chicago by double digits. They've also scheduled several games against tough physical competition from NAIA teams, including a February 17 game at Olivet Nazarene (receiving votes in the NAIA polls). It's true that the rest of the CCIW is somewhat down this year, but calling IWU's schedule "very easy" is a little unfair.

I am looking forward to seeing some WIAC teams in the not too distant future!

badgerwarhawk · February 05, 2009, 12:38:56 PM

Quote from: stoutguy on February 05, 2009, 11:52:56 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on February 05, 2009, 10:14:01 AM
Obviously we don't stand a snow ball's chance in hell so we might just as well give up. Don't even bother to send your women's team down here this weekend.

BW. Who in your wildest dreams would be less likely than me to try to have a calming influence on the folks who imply that WW does not stand a chance. I usually like to stir the pot. In this case, however I beg for restraint when talking about what might happen this weekend and beyond. I don't think there is a bigger supporter of Julia Hirssig than myself. Having said that, I remember the first WW match up and remember thinking that WW (and Morten) were just too good to compete with this year. Nothing has been decided by Stout's win last night except that some of the WIAC folks were a bit quick to dismiss Stout this year as one of the teams who would compete. Mark Thomas has 384 wins under his belt. Only Shirley is close. My comment regarding what is going to happen Sat. and the rest of the way would be to suggest that Stout can compete and I think they will.

I regret that I will not be making the trip to WW to receive the usual great treatment from BW and his crew as I work a HS game back here, do our Sat. morning show (Your buddy, Jack Bennett will be on talking about the upcoming new paint on the SP court), and then I have to go to Florida for a week. I love Florida but I would love to see that Hirssig/Morten battle again. Keep me posted.

There are some things that are a given. Like the sun rising in the east. And one of them is that a Mark Thomas coached Stout team can compete year in and year out. Nobody in WW has dismissed Stout now or at the beginning of the season. They are a team that you must beat if you want to contend. I just wish we were playing a little better than we have been lately.

Tell Jack that BW says hi and that I have said nice things about him on D3hoops.com.

I think the honor of having the court named for him and Dick is very well deserved.

JMM · February 05, 2009, 12:39:17 PM

Not necessarily saying only 1 WIAC team in NCAA. I think Stout could win the WIAC Tourney. If that happens, WW is in trouble of making the Tourney facing Stout and SP before the close of things.

Door still wide open for EC and SP to get in the tourney if Stout wins the WIAC berth. I see Stout as being very strong. Pressue is not going to get to Hirsig (though it may others) also they really don't have much to lose and everything to gain.

I guess with the lose of two seniors last year, I didn't figure WW would be in it for the long term - my two cents, Lindsey Buechner was the heart of the WW team last year. I could be wrong. I think Sonntag and Morton are solid, solid players. I think WW could win almost any other conference with the 2-3 good players.

That said, EC and SP have at least 4 good players. For EC that does not includie Missy Fermstad who is also a solid player. EC has also added a 6'5 center in the last few games that blocks shots. While young - she is coming along just fine. Messick at 6'2 and Plendil at 6'5 is pretty menacing. Add Witt, Heidi A. and Fermstad pretty strong team.

To close, unless foul trouble hits Hirsig, Stout is going to be awfully tough to beat.
Time will tell, though it's getting to be time now, isn't it.

JMM · February 05, 2009, 12:43:35 PM

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This season Illinois Wesleyan has defeated DePauw (#3 at the time) on a neutral court, Wash U (#7 at the time) at Wash U, and Chicago (#12 at the time) at Chicago by double digits. They've also scheduled several games against tough physical competition from NAIA teams, including a February 17 game at Olivet Nazarene (receiving votes in the NAIA polls). It's true that the rest of the CCIW is somewhat down this year, but calling IWU's schedule "very easy" is a little unfair.

Point well taken on IL Wesleyan! from WIAC fan.

RogK · February 05, 2009, 01:05:14 PM

Illinois Wesleyan does have the easiest in-conference schedule in the CCIW -- they're the only team who doesn't have to play Illinois Wesleyan.
(ha ha)

The Champ · February 05, 2009, 07:18:04 PM

Quote from: stoutguy on February 05, 2009, 11:52:56 AM
I don't think there is a bigger supporter of Julia Hirssig than myself.

I could argue that point, but what good would it do???

(well, you are taller than me, so I'd lose that part of the argument for sure)

But I was watching her play BB before she came to Stout, which I don't think you had the opportunity to do...

I went to 3 or 4 of her games with Coach T when he was recruiting her as a HS senior, and got to know her and her family that year.

And she is really an outstanding young lady with a very bright future in front of her with her determination and grit!

I sure hope that JMM is 100% correct in his predictions, but I'm not ready to bury UWW. I still think there is life down south, and expect a very hard fought game on Saturday.

I too will miss this game, although going out to dinner with BW again would be a true pleasure. Mrs. Champ won't be home from Alberta until 2:30 PM on Saturday, and it's a long drive from Rochester to WW....

Voice of the Titans · February 06, 2009, 12:45:47 PM

When did it become acceptable for officials to not enforce a rule and then offer an explanation that is not even close to being in the rulebook? It is one thing to not make a call because you don't know the rule (and I'm thinking there are far too many instances of that), but to try to explain to a coach why you made that decision with an explanation that doesn't even sniff the rulebook is just plain ignorance.

Usuallywrong24 · February 06, 2009, 01:01:53 PM

Quote from: Voice of the Titans on February 06, 2009, 12:45:47 PM
When did it become acceptable for officials to not enforce a rule and then offer an explanation that is not even close to being in the rulebook? It is one thing to not make a call because you don't know the rule (and I'm thinking there are far too many instances of that), but to try to explain to a coach why you made that decision with an explanation that doesn't even sniff the rulebook is just plain ignorance.

I am also sick of officials not enforcing the rules. This year one of the points of emphasis was the handchecking rule. A person gets one touch and then no more. If they break the "hot stove" rule, then it should be a foul every time. This is easy to see, but officials continue to not call it. I can understand that an official does not want to call a foul every time down the floor, but if the players are fouling every time then they must call it. If it is called early and consistently then there is no problem. I have not seen any other conference play, but I would guess that the WIAC has some of the worst officials in the nation despite it being one of the best conferences in terms of teams.

Also, I do not understand why some poorer officials get games that influence the conference race. I heard the crew that was in SP the other night was just awful for both teams. Travels, 3 seconds, and handchecks were all missed. I hope there are good ones Saturday in WW, but I doubt it. I know some of this has to do with traveling and funds, but these officials are making $100 a game. If someone is making $50 a hour, they can at least do their job correctly.

Voice of the Titans · February 06, 2009, 01:06:48 PM

Those are all great examples of rules that are always missed during play. I think a few EC players are still in the lane at Kolf. I'm talking about a deadball situation, which is even worse. Not a time during play when officials have to make a quick determination, but when the clock is stopped and an infraction happens. No excuse for that.

Usuallywrong24 · February 06, 2009, 01:20:05 PM

Quote from: Voice of the Titans on February 06, 2009, 01:06:48 PM
Those are all great examples of rules that are always missed during play. I think a few EC players are still in the lane at Kolf. I'm talking about a deadball situation, which is even worse. Not a time during play when officials have to make a quick determination, but when the clock is stopped and an infraction happens. No excuse for that.

What was the call that was missed? Travel out of bounds or intentional foul or what?

Voice of the Titans · February 06, 2009, 01:34:41 PM

Substitue ran near the scorers table, yelled her number, and onto the court without a buzzer or beckoning. Technical foul under 10-3-12. Official said if its a sub at a dead ball, it is OK. When else is a team going to sub?

JMM · February 06, 2009, 01:41:11 PM

There are no EC players still in the lane at Kolf. I saw them in the lane at Zorn just last night. I think they were heading toward UWRF and then to S. Dakota (for better or for worse). That said - your point is well taken and usually applicable to all teams and all refs all the time - maybe we need instant replay and coaches should have red flags to throw on the court when a ref misses a call. Better yet maybe the fans should have the flags, Again the point is valid. Hope you don't mind my humor. Really don't know how one deals with it.

Usuallywrong24 · February 06, 2009, 01:48:41 PM

Quote from: Voice of the Titans on February 06, 2009, 01:34:41 PM
Substitue ran near the scorers table, yelled her number, and onto the court without a buzzer or beckoning. Technical foul under 10-3-12. Official said if its a sub at a dead ball, it is OK. When else is a team going to sub?

That is a shame. That clearly should have been a technical foul. A buzzer does not mean anything. It is simply used to get the officials attention so they can make a call. The player must be called into the game and have her number written down in the book.

Voice of the Titans · February 06, 2009, 02:23:39 PM

Quote from: JMM on February 06, 2009, 01:41:11 PM
There are no EC players still in the lane at Kolf. I saw them in the lane at Zorn just last night. I think they were heading toward UWRF and then to S. Dakota (for better or for worse). That said - your point is well taken and usually applicable to all teams and all refs all the time - maybe we need instant replay and coaches should have red flags to throw on the court when a ref misses a call. Better yet maybe the fans should have the flags, Again the point is valid. Hope you don't mind my humor. Really don't know how one deals with it.

That would be good, since every fan in the stands is obviously a registered official. At least in my experience. Maybe one of these years they will actually offer their services instead of their opinions.

Usuallywrong24 · February 06, 2009, 02:48:57 PM

I was wrong earlier. These officials are actually making $145 each for their efforts. That means that teams are paying $435 a game to have officials work their games who do not even know the rules or choose not to enforce them. I wish I had a job where I could make over $70 a hour and not have do it properly.