WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

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UWW defeats Point, 61-59.  Point had a couple chances to take the lead in the last 30 seconds.

[The Champ]

I wasn't at the game, but looking at the stat sheets, the Stout/LaCrosse game looks like it was a hard fought defensive game.

Why do I say that?  Hirssig shot 5 of 17 and Edwards was 6 of 16 for Stout, Hunter was 6 of 19 and Wahl was 2 of 9 for the Eagles.  These ladies usually have better shooting percentages than that.

Also, the fouls. 

Both teams lost players to their 5th foul - Maslowsi for Stout and Waldvogel, Churchill and Wahl for LaCrosse.  Hirssig and Stokke finished with 4 fouls, so they were closed to going to the bench also.

What appears to be the determining factor to me was rebounding - and Hirssig and Edwards both recorded double/doubles.  Churchill led the Eagles with 8 boards.

Hunter led all scorers with 22 and Halat and Lang each added 10 points.  Edwards led Stout with 20 and Hirssig had 18.

LaCrosse had 15 steals, Stout had 5 blocks.

The win puts Stout at the current advantage over LaCrosse for the #4 seed in the WIAC tourney and a home playoff game.

LaCrosse has 1 game left at Point on Wednesday, and Stout finishes with RF on the road Wednesday and EC at home on Saturday.

Big win for WW over Point.  With WW's victory and EC's loss to Point, that should resolve any questions of the regional rankings from last week.

WW finishes out with games against UWO at home and RF on the road, Point against UWL and UWP - both at home, EC plays on the road at UWP and Stout.

Lot's of big games in the last week.  Seedings for the tourney are all up for grabs...

[Usuallywrong24]

You could tell it was a Saturday yesterday in WW as their fans had no class.  You would think that a school with as much athletic success as them would be used to competing and having good sportsmanship.  I am also not talking about the college students.  College students are typically out of control and that is part of the game, but even the adults were acting like teenagers.  Disappointing to see. 

Interesting call yesterday in the WW-Point game.  Point was taking the ball out under their basket in the second half.  They threw it deep, back towards the backcourt.  A Point player touches the ball in the front court and it goes into the backcourt.  She grabs it, and was called for a backcourt violation.  I always thought the team had to have possession in the front court for it to be a backcourt violation.  And since a touch is not possession, I mean the shot clock cannot start or be reset simply on a touch without control, this should not have been a backcourt violation. 

It may seem like a small thing, but everyone knew this game was huge and I am not sure how three officials who did not know all of the rules could have been assigned to ref a game with conference title implications.   

[badgerwarhawk]

You could tell it was a Saturday yesterday in WW as their fans had no class.  You would think that a school with as much athletic success as them would be used to competing and having good sportsmanship.  I am also not talking about the college students.  College students are typically out of control and that is part of the game, but even the adults were acting like teenagers.  Disappointing to see. 

Interesting call yesterday in the WW-Point game.  Point was taking the ball out under their basket in the second half.  They threw it deep, back towards the backcourt.  A Point player touches the ball in the front court and it goes into the backcourt.  She grabs it, and was called for a backcourt violation.  I always thought the team had to have possession in the front court for it to be a backcourt violation.  and since a touch is not possession, I mean the shot clock cannot start or be reset simply on a touch without control, this should not have been a backcourt violation. 

It may seem like a small thing, but everyone knew this game was huge and I am not sure how three officials who did not know all of the rules could have been assigned to ref a game with conference title implications.   

You are mistaken about the shot clock.  When an inbounded ball is touched the clock is started and that starts the shot clock.  A player does not have to have control of the ball for the game clock/shot clock to start.  The mere act of touching it is enough.

I'm not saying that the call you were talking about was a good one or a bad one.  I'm merely clarifying when the clock starts on an inbounded ball. 

[badgerwarhawk]

Neither team started very well before Point picked up the early momentum, used a 19-8 run, and went ahead by eleven, 21-10, with about 7 1/2 minutes remaining in the half.  Reserve forward Chantel Burg hit a jumper to end a 3 minute scoring drought for the WARHAWKS and the team followed with a 21-7 run of their own and led 31-28 when the half ended.  After Burg tied the game 23-23 with a little more than four minutes to play the WARHAWKS never trailed but never led by more than 8 points.  WHITEWATER had chances to put it out of reach but couldn't.  Point had chances to pull this one out but wasn't able to get it done.   

Kelsey Hendrickson led the way with 13 points and had 5 assists.  Tiffany Morton and Heidi Sontag each scored 10 points.  Morton finished a rebound short of another double-double with 9.   

Britta Petersen was the leading scorer in the game with 14 and she had 7 rebounds. 

[Just Bill]

BW is correct about the shot clock, but UW24 is correct about the backcourt violation.  The shot clock should have (and likely did) start when the UWSP player touched the ball, but it should not have been called a backcourt violation.

[Usuallywrong24]

BW is correct about the shot clock, but UW24 is correct about the backcourt violation.  The shot clock should have (and likely did) start when the UWSP player touched the ball, but it should not have been called a backcourt violation.

I am not sure why the shot clock would start when there is no possession.  This is just an extreme example, but what if the ball is inbounded, touched with no possession and there is just a chaotic mess with the ball with no one having possession, who would the shot clock violation be on if this goes on for 30 seconds?   

I guess I will have to pay attention to the shot clock at the start of games when there is the jump ball.  I always thought that the shot clock cannot start until possession.  A rebound is an example here.  When an shot goes up and is missed, there can be a scramble after the ball.  The shot clock does not start counting down until the ball is secured.  Otherwise teams could have only 20-25 seconds on the shot clock instead of their full 30.

I understand the game clock starts, it has to, but the shot clock does not start until possession occurs. 

The main point is though that the officials clearly were mistaken on the backcourt violation.  In a game decided by 2 points, don't you think the team would like to have one extra possession that was wrongly taken away from them?

[Just Bill]

As far as the shot clock is concerned possession is deemed to be obtained simply by awarding the ball to the inbounder.  Once the inbounder has it, their team is in possession.  So when the ball is touched the shot clock can begin, because possession was already established by the inbounder.

The same does not hold true on rebound situations.  Once the ball strikes the rim, it is no longer considered to be in the possession of either team.  If a rebound is tipped, slapped and batted around, the shot clock holds at :30 (or :35 for the men) until possession is gained.

"Chatoic messes" with the shot clock running happen all the time.  If the point guard dribbles off her foot resulting in a wild scrum lasting 6-7 seconds, we don't stop the shot clock while the ball is loose on the floor, do we?  Of course not.  The offensive team is still "in possession" until the defensive team clearly gains possession of the ball, even if that ball is being kicked around the floor like a broken pinata.

It makes sense because an inbounds pass is a controlled action by a member of one team.  A rebound is a random carom not in control of either team.

[Usuallywrong24]

As far as the shot clock is concerned possession is deemed to be obtained simply by awarding the ball to the inbounder.  Once the inbounder has it, their team is in possession.  So when the ball is touched the shot clock can begin, because possession was already established by the inbounder.

The same does not hold true on rebound situations.  Once the ball strikes the rim, it is no longer considered to be in the possession of either team.  If a rebound is tipped, slapped and batted around, the shot clock holds at :30 (or :35 for the men) until possession is gained.

It makes sense because an inbounds pass is a controlled action by a member of one team.  A rebound is a random carom not in control of either team.

Makes sense.  Thanks.

[Just Bill]

The main point is though that the officials clearly were mistaken on the backcourt violation.  In a game decided by 2 points, don't you think the team would like to have one extra possession that was wrongly taken away from them?

Don't you think in any basketball game with upwards of 80 possessions there are many that both teams would like to have back, or feel that there were some taken away from them.

Not excusing a blown call, but not dwelling on it either. That's life. That's basketball.

[Usuallywrong24]

Don't you think in any basketball game with upwards of 80 possessions there are many that both teams would like to have back, or feel that there were some taken away from them.

Not excusing a blown call, but not dwelling on it either. That's life. That's basketball.

I agree, but this was not a questionable call.  This was not a charge/block.  This was not a missed travel.  It was a blown call that should not happen in college.  I understand that some officials are just doing their part to help out, but not in college.  I always tried to know the rules before I reffed, albeit not at this level, but this is a rule that even grade school refs know. 

[The Champ]

You could tell it was a Saturday yesterday in WW as their fans had no class. 

I wan't at this game, so I have no clue about "what" the WW fans did for you to make this statement.

I have been to several games in WW, and haven't seen any type of action occur that would make me post something like that.

I have to to a couple of other WIAC BB venues where I could have made a similar comment though.

[Just Bill]

You could tell it was a Saturday yesterday in WW as their fans had no class. 

I wan't at this game, so I have no clue about "what" the WW fans did for you to make this statement.

I have been to several games in WW, and haven't seen any type of action occur that would make me post something like that.

I have to to a couple of other WIAC BB venues where I could have made a similar comment though.

I also couldn't tell what Saturday had to do with it.  Do UWW fans have more class on Thursdays?  How are they on Mondays about mid-morning?

[closetothechest]

I also couldn't tell what Saturday had to do with it.  Do UWW fans have more class on Thursdays?  How are they on Mondays about mid-morning?

No classes on the weekend.  Even I got that one.

[Just Bill]

Ah yes.  Lame, but I still should have gotten it.