WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[badgerwarhawk]

Because I had time to kill last night I thought I'd do a season efficency rating for four of the primary candidates for player of the year.  I've probably missed someone but these four are the ones we've discussed most frequently though not necessarily in the POY context.

1. Julia Hurssig (Stout)
464 + 251 + 17 + 9 + 28  = 769
- 136 + 58 + 62              = 256
Rating: +513

2. Tiffany Morton  (WHITEWATER)
394 + 255 + 36 + 50 + 16 = 751
- 115 + 55 + 72               = 256
Rating: +495

3.  McKenzie Hunter  (LaCrosse)
465 + 118 + 43 + 7 + 67 = 700
- 193 + 16 + 76             = 285
Rating: +415

4. Heather Witt  (Eau Claire)
294 + 85 + 76 + 85 + 3 = 543
- 119 + 12 + 76           = 207
Rating: +336

Obviously I'd like to see Morton get it but I'd have to admit that if I were casting a vote it would likely be for Hirssig.  Any other players that you can think of? 


I suppose I could get defensive in response to Usually's comment regarding the WARHAWK fans but after 41 years of watching WIAC basketball I'll simply say that they are no better nor any worse than any others.  I'm not sure what he is reacting to from the Point game but I'm hard pressed to spot any significant difference in the class of the two fan groups.

[Voice of the Titans]

As far as the shot clock is concerned possession is deemed to be obtained simply by awarding the ball to the inbounder.  Once the inbounder has it, their team is in possession.  So when the ball is touched the shot clock can begin, because possession was already established by the inbounder.

The same does not hold true on rebound situations.  Once the ball strikes the rim, it is no longer considered to be in the possession of either team.  If a rebound is tipped, slapped and batted around, the shot clock holds at :30 (or :35 for the men) until possession is gained.

"Chatoic messes" with the shot clock running happen all the time.  If the point guard dribbles off her foot resulting in a wild scrum lasting 6-7 seconds, we don't stop the shot clock while the ball is loose on the floor, do we?  Of course not.  The offensive team is still "in possession" until the defensive team clearly gains possession of the ball, even if that ball is being kicked around the floor like a broken pinata.

It makes sense because an inbounds pass is a controlled action by a member of one team.  A rebound is a random carom not in control of either team.

We can get a fan posting on the message board to clearly define a rule and how it is implemented, but we can't get three refs to do the same in a WIAC game.

I nominate JustBill to become a new ref in the conference, replacing any number of these dimwits that are out there all the time.

[Usuallywrong24]

As far as the shot clock is concerned possession is deemed to be obtained simply by awarding the ball to the inbounder.  Once the inbounder has it, their team is in possession.  So when the ball is touched the shot clock can begin, because possession was already established by the inbounder.

The same does not hold true on rebound situations.  Once the ball strikes the rim, it is no longer considered to be in the possession of either team.  If a rebound is tipped, slapped and batted around, the shot clock holds at :30 (or :35 for the men) until possession is gained.

"Chatoic messes" with the shot clock running happen all the time.  If the point guard dribbles off her foot resulting in a wild scrum lasting 6-7 seconds, we don't stop the shot clock while the ball is loose on the floor, do we?  Of course not.  The offensive team is still "in possession" until the defensive team clearly gains possession of the ball, even if that ball is being kicked around the floor like a broken pinata.

It makes sense because an inbounds pass is a controlled action by a member of one team.  A rebound is a random carom not in control of either team.

Point taken. In that instance I understood it because the team had possession before it was dribbled off her foot.  Just was not aware that possession out of bounds led to a tipped pass being called possession. 

[Usuallywrong24]

Because I had time to kill last night I thought I'd do a season efficency rating for four of the primary candidates for player of the year.  I've probably missed someone but these four are the ones we've discussed most frequently though not necessarily in the POY context.

1. Julia Hurssig (Stout)
464 + 251 + 17 + 9 + 28  = 769
- 136 + 58 + 62              = 256
Rating: +513

2. Tiffany Morton  (WHITEWATER)
394 + 255 + 36 + 50 + 16 = 751
- 115 + 55 + 72               = 256
Rating: +495

3.  McKenzie Hunter  (LaCrosse)
465 + 118 + 43 + 7 + 67 = 700
- 193 + 16 + 76             = 285
Rating: +415

4. Heather Witt  (Eau Claire)
294 + 85 + 76 + 85 + 3 = 543
- 119 + 12 + 76           = 207
Rating: +336

Obviously I'd like to see Morton get it but I'd have to admit that if I were casting a vote it would likely be for Hirssig.  Any other players that you can think of? 


I suppose I could get defensive in response to Usually's comment regarding the WARHAWK fans but after 41 years of watching WIAC basketball I'll simply say that they are no better nor any worse than any others.  I'm not sure what he is reacting to from the Point game but I'm hard pressed to spot any significant difference in the class of the two fan groups.

Maybe throw Heidi A. into the argument. 

It was just a couple things I observed while in the stands.  I just held WW in higher regards because of their recent athletic success and was guessing they would be better hosts.  By no means was it everyone, but there was a few that gave me a negative impression. 

Also, I think the league should do something about DHs.  I think the host school should choose who plays first.  Apart from being equal and Title IX, it makes little sense to have a huge drawing mens team play first, then have the womens game have about a tenth of the fans that the men had.  I would think that most schools would have their men play second, other than EC and possibly Stout, as this would have more fans watch the other game.  As any other thing, I am sure there could be negatives to this. 

[badgerwarhawk]

Ok, I see what you're saying.  Because you hold our fans to a higher standard than you hold others we have less class than they do.   How would we rank if you held others to the same standard you hold us?  And no one from Point  gave you a negative impression.  Not even the guy who kept jumping up from his seat and screaming at every call that went against them. 

No offense intended but somehow the logic of that is lost on me.  But you're certainly entitled to your own opinion. 


5. Heidi Arciszewski (Eau Claire)
335 + 142 + 73 + 0 + 3 = 553
- 160 + 15 + 69            = 244
Rating: +309


I should also mention that I've used season stats not just conference only.  That could make a difference.

[jam8788]

I've been to enough WIAC venues to say that UWW fans by far have the worst sportsmanship in the conference.  Particularly when the wheelchair basketball team is in attendance, they can be absolutely brutal to the opposing players.  (I haven't been there in a couple years so things may have changed.)  Stout ranks a close second, especially when the football team sits underneath the hoops.  I heard that they've had to write apology letters in the past to WIAC schools for their crude behavior.

[Usuallywrong24]

Ok, I see what you're saying.  Because you hold our fans to a higher standard than you hold others we have less class than they do.   How would we rank if you held others to the same standard you hold us?  And no one from Point  gave you a negative impression.  Not even the guy who kept jumping up from his seat and screaming at every call that went against them. 

No offense intended but somehow the logic of that is lost on me.  But you're certainly entitled to your own opinion. 

Its obvious my higher expectations of WW's crowd were undeserved and unjust.  I will lump them in with every other crowd in terms of class from now on.   

[badgerwarhawk]

What did you think about Heidi's ranking?  I was surprised it was that much lower than Hirssig, Morton, Hunter or even Witt.   Of course I doubt this is the way the coaches will go about it.  Not that she isn't a good player but  this objective measure would seem to take her out of the discussion.

[The Champ]

I've been to enough WIAC venues to say that UWW fans by far have the worst sportsmanship in the conference.  Particularly when the wheelchair basketball team is in attendance, they can be absolutely brutal to the opposing players.  (I haven't been there in a couple years so things may have changed.)  Stout ranks a close second, especially when the football team sits underneath the hoops.  I heard that they've had to write apology letters in the past to WIAC schools for their crude behavior.

Well, that's your opinion, but not what I have seen.  There are three schools in the northern half of the state that I would say are worse than WW, two of the three much worse, IMHO.

I am well aware of the incident (and it was only one, and only involved one other school) that you refer to.  Most people laugh about the hypersensitivity of the coach that demanded it.  It was given to appease this person, but I've seen and heard much worse when at their venue.

Coach T, the Football HC, and the AD felt it was better to just apologize than to let the opposing coach lose sleep over the perceived problem.

Opinions of certain schools fans are something that are quite subjective...

[Usuallywrong24]

What did you think about Heidi's ranking?  I was surprised it was that much lower than Hirssig, Morton, Hunter or even Witt.   Of course I doubt this is the way the coaches will go about it.  Not that she isn't a good player but  this objective measure would seem to take her out of the discussion.

I was suprised it was lower also.  I don't think she is a serious contender for POY, but I would think a no doubt first teamer.  I think the favorite with a week to go most likely Morton.  I think Hirrsig is the more complete player by a very slim margin, if I was forced to choose, but I think Morton's team will earn her the honor as they will finish with a better record by a couple games. 

[BoBo]

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[stoutguy]

What did you think about Heidi's ranking?  I was surprised it was that much lower than Hirssig, Morton, Hunter or even Witt.   Of course I doubt this is the way the coaches will go about it.  Not that she isn't a good player but  this objective measure would seem to take her out of the discussion.

I was suprised it was lower also.  I don't think she is a serious contender for POY, but I would think a no doubt first teamer.  I think the favorite with a week to go most likely Morton.  I think Hirrsig is the more complete player by a very slim margin, if I was forced to choose, but I think Morton's team will earn her the honor as they will finish with a better record by a couple games. 

Fair or not (and I don't think it is because the POY should only have to do with that player, not the teams record), I agree with you.  I mention this only because I have not agreed with much you have said on here lately and I just wanted to bond with one of my fellow posters. 

[Just Bill]

As far as the shot clock is concerned possession is deemed to be obtained simply by awarding the ball to the inbounder.  Once the inbounder has it, their team is in possession.  So when the ball is touched the shot clock can begin, because possession was already established by the inbounder.

The same does not hold true on rebound situations.  Once the ball strikes the rim, it is no longer considered to be in the possession of either team.  If a rebound is tipped, slapped and batted around, the shot clock holds at :30 (or :35 for the men) until possession is gained.

"Chatoic messes" with the shot clock running happen all the time.  If the point guard dribbles off her foot resulting in a wild scrum lasting 6-7 seconds, we don't stop the shot clock while the ball is loose on the floor, do we?  Of course not.  The offensive team is still "in possession" until the defensive team clearly gains possession of the ball, even if that ball is being kicked around the floor like a broken pinata.

It makes sense because an inbounds pass is a controlled action by a member of one team.  A rebound is a random carom not in control of either team.

We can get a fan posting on the message board to clearly define a rule and how it is implemented, but we can't get three refs to do the same in a WIAC game.

I nominate JustBill to become a new ref in the conference, replacing any number of these dimwits that are out there all the time.

I think all it means is I've spent WAY too much time sitting behind scorer's tables over the years. If I would have devoted those hours to astrophysics I'd be an astronaut by now.  (Of course my extreme motion sickness, might work against me.)

[buf]

This week's Top 25 WIAC teams:

UWW is #7
Point is #8
UWEC is #11

[The Champ]

Player of the Week

Tiffany Morton, Senior (Beloit/Memorial), Center of UW-Whitewater

Morton recorded her 13th double-double of the season, and school-record tying 27th of her career in UW-Whitewater's 69-56 win at UW-Platteville on Feb. 11.  She had 27 points on 8-of-18 shooting from the field and 11-of-12 from the free throw line.  Morton grabbed 17 rebounds (9 defensive) and had four blocked shots and three assists.  In a 61-59 victory over No. 5-ranked UW-Stevens Point on Feb. 14, she scored 10 points, grabbed nine rebounds and added two assists and one blocked shot.

Also nominated:
UW-Eau Claire, Jodi Lindner, Junior, Forward, Neillsville
UW-La Crosse, Mackenzie Hunter, Senior, Forward, Eau Claire (Regis)
UW-Oshkosh, Tiffany Pugh, Sophomore, Guard, Sturtevant (Waterford)
UW-Platteville, Stacia Nemitz, Junior, Guard, Bloomington (River Ridge)
UW-River Falls, Jenna Hanson, Senior, Guard, Altoona
UW-Stevens Point, Britta Petersen, Sophomore, Forward, Luck
UW-Stout, Charlee Edwards, Senior, Guard, Danbury (Webster)