WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[The Champ]

Sloppy game by both teams last night (outside of Lang and Hirsig)  I have never seen so many traveling calls in a single game.  I lost count, but the stout announcer was guessing around 12 at about half time.  Must have been over 20 for the game.

So true.

[BDB]

Oh by the way, Danielle did not play in either overtime. Her hieght alone or a short or long jumper by her would have won the game in the first overtime or the last 5 minutes when she sat the bench. My 2 cents. PS, I do not know or ever met DeWitt.

2 things:

- No, I don't agree with you about Coach Thomas.

- You were at the game and didn't realize that DeWitt had fouled out?  

[The Champ]

Case in point is De Witt. He put her in and immediately yanked her out at least three times in the first half. Seems to be playing games with her since her foul against RF. Never let her get in the flow of the game. Got the feeling that he was saying - you walked - out you come, you foul out you come, you miss a shot - out you come.

Oh by the way, Danielle did not play in either overtime. Her hieght alone or a short or long jumper by her would have won the game in the first overtime or the last 5 minutes when she sat the bench. My 2 cents. PS, I do not know or ever met DeWitt.

In 3 minutes of playing time in the first half, Danielle committed 2 fouls.

And you must have missed the fact that DeWitt fouled out of the game with 3:38 left in regulation.  That's why she was sitting - not because T didn't want her on the floor.

That's one of the reasons for T getting after her.  She's got talent, but also has a tendency to foul unneccesarily.

Was he upset?  Sure he was.  He knew he needed her 3 point capability, but her fouling was taking her out of the game.

[phoenix_rising]

- You were at the game and didn't realize that DeWitt had fouled out?  

So, your point would be....

Memory lane: my older daughter fouled out of two games (once in high school, once in a summer tournament game)...twice. You just have to have trickier scorekeepers  or be the last of the players to foul out on a team that would have only four players on the floor when you're gone. Sympathy game. She was a hacker, alright.

[JMM]

Comments on Coach T. I changed my post because I had not realized DeWitt fouled out - shame on me. That said. Just seems to be a game going on with DeWitt. I may be wrong, Guess we''l never know.
JMM

[Usuallywrong24]

Well it was reported on Sunday that River Falls was leaking some oil, after a loss to Superior, at home mind you, that car looks stopped at the side of the road, hood up with Coach Holbrook sticking her thumb up for a ride.  A home loss to Superior just shouldn't happen to a team that was looking like it was turning things around by starting 13-0.  River has gone from a lock for a top 2 seed to a team that very well could be on the road for the opening round of the WIAC tournament. 

Tough luck for Coach Thomas of Stout.  With his next two games being at WW and at SP, he is either going to have to wait for number 400 or do it on the road.  I wonder if that 400th win put any added pressure on his players.  I feel like it is best to keep that stuff under wraps until it actually happens. 

[The Champ]

Comments on Coach T. I changed my post because I had not realized DeWitt fouled out - shame on me. That said. Just seems to be a game going on with DeWitt. I may be wrong, Guess we''l never know.
JMM

As I posted earlier, Danielle has talent.  She also at times commits unnecessary fouls.

You've seen a certain number of Stout games.  I have not seen all, but more than many.

Just looking at the WIAC games this year, here are some things for you to ponder:

DD has fouled out of 2 recent games - losses to UWL (18 minutes of playing time) and UWO (13 minutes).

You think T is playing games with her.  I think he's trying to keep her head in the game.

Not every method of motivation is effective 100% of the time.  Not every method of motivation will work with every individual.

You see T barking at his players like he doesn't care about them as individuals.  I've seen him behind the scenes - things outsiders rarely get a chance to see.

Have I ever secretly wished T would tone it down a little?  I'd be lying if I said no.  But I think his players know that he just wants them to perform to the best of their capabilities.

He cares!

[The Champ]

Tough luck for Coach Thomas of Stout.  With his next two games being at WW and at SP, he is either going to have to wait for number 400 or do it on the road.  I wonder if that 400th win put any added pressure on his players.  I feel like it is best to keep that stuff under wraps until it actually happens. 

The best time to win your next game is - your next game....

Sure, we'd like to have it come at home, but you don't always get what you want.

As for pressure on the players - I don't think that there was any special pressure on them.

But I also am sure they were aware of the approaching milestone.  They wouldn't be as good as they are if they didn't keep track of the "score"...

[Bears rule]

I have 399 reasons why Coach T is a good Coach.
Not every fan is going to like any Coach, nor every player is going to like their Coach.

[Usuallywrong24]

The only measure of a good coach should not be winning games.

I have 399 reasons why Coach T is a good Coach.
Not every fan is going to like any Coach, nor every player is going to like their Coach.

[The Champ]

The only measure of a good coach should not be winning games.

I'll agree with that to a point.

But I would also point out the number of his former players that have gone on to be involved in coaching themselves at either the public school (middle and HS) and college level.

There are multiple examples of his former players actively coaching WBB in the WIAC, and I'm not just referring to his own current assistants that are both former players.

I am also aware of 2 of his relatively recent assistants that are now HC's - 1 in the WIAC and another coaching DIII in Iowa.

It's only my opinion, but those who have decided to coach WBB after playing for T, probably thought that T was a pretty decent coach.  I could be wrong.

Next week is the Stout Alumni game.  I look forward to seeing several of T's former players coming back to actually play BB in Johnson Fieldhouse again.  It's a real hoot and many of the young (and older) women come in from all over the country to commiserate with their former teammates and coach.

[phoenix_rising]

Coaches likely see a difference between a foul and a stupid foul; a missed shot and a stupid shot. Players, on the other hand, see the game differently on the court than what you see from the vicinity of the bench. I think perception/perspective is the issue: players playing have a perspective that players sitting don't have, that coaches don't have, certainly that parents and other spectators in the crowd don't have. Coaches have different methods of coaching: Mulhern yells at the players on the floor-while the game is swirling; T yells at the bench, but since everybody sits on the bench, the people on the floor know what's going on. Men coach women differently than women coach women, in general. The opponents have a significant influence on how a team plays. Everybody plays at least adequately in practice; it's when you throw those other people out there that things get screwed up.

Who's the good coach? How often do you see coaches with losing records identified as 'good' coaches? At the college level, 'good' coaches should probably graduate the majority of his or her players, but I think most of us don't look at graduation rates as much as team-retention rates: how many players don't play all four years? As parents, how many of us have raised hackles when our children are getting yelled at? I've said it before, 'my' high school team never fouled until after my daughter's left. What an eye-opener it was to go back and see all the hacking going on.

And then there are the refs...that's always an element of surprise: different teams of refs call differently, so while a basketball team may look inconsistent, sometimes it's just the way the game is being called. Life. Just when you get it figured out, it's over...

[phoenix_rising]

aaaaarrrrrggggghhhhh. Not 'daughter's', daughters. I hate those kinds of mistakes, and then I make them.

[The Champ]

daughters...

Speaking of which, I ran into your daughter at a game awhile back.  Had a nice chat.

You raised a keeper!!!

[phoenix_rising]

daughters...

Speaking of which, I ran into your daughter at a game awhile back.  Had a nice chat.

You raised a keeper!!!

I kinda like her.