WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[billys]

The only explanation I've had for UW-Oshkosh is that Teri Schumacher just didn't "get" recruiting when she arrived.  I don't think she had an appreciation for how hard you have to work recruiting even entering a good situation like UWO had.  A good friend of mine lives in Oshkosh and goes to many HS games. He was stunned at how many Oshkosh West games Schumacher attended in her first couple of years at UWO.  He'd say, "she can't possibly be seeing very many kids if she's watching 12-14 Oshkosh West games."  He's told me she's not around as much anymore, which is likely a good thing.

I think she thought the talent would show up and all she had to do was coach them. Time will tell if she's got a handle on it now.

You make a good point about her being at all those Osh games.  I always feel badly for WIAC coaches who have to miss there own kid's games because they have to recruit but there is no substitute for the head coach being at many, many games during the hs season.  Also, it seems that for whatever reason, Schumacher lost  kids who were out during the season.  I remember one game that she dressed only 8 kids.  That was a red flag for me.

I would argue that has been her biggest issue thus far. She's brought in a 2-3 good classes ... except they've got starters leaving annually before their junior year.

I guess I've learned in the past week how many recruiting experts are on the boards; well at least there's discussion going on.

[hoop_junkie]

Wenig and Boeder are good pick ups for UWO. Always good to get local kids. Katie Kitzke is also one of the better freshman in the WIAC but she kind of fell in their lap. Regardless, IMO this has been her first decent class. The class before it wasn't a WIAC caliber group and so I think UWO has a long road ahead of them. They need more inside players and need to add overall depth. It seems Schumacher may have settled down since her rant in the newspaper last year where she ripped everyone on her team. I thought she should've been let go after that whole stunt but in D3, WBB coaches are given more time/chances to right the ship, and rightfully so. I just don't see UWO ever getting out of the bottom 3-4 teams with her in charge, just as I don't see UWL getting out of the middle of the league.

[billys]

Wenig and Boeder are good pick ups for UWO. Always good to get local kids. Katie Kitzke is also one of the better freshman in the WIAC but she kind of fell in their lap. Regardless, IMO this has been her first decent class. The class before it wasn't a WIAC caliber group and so I think UWO has a long road ahead of them. They need more inside players and need to add overall depth. It seems Schumacher may have settled down since her rant in the newspaper last year where she ripped everyone on her team. I thought she should've been let go after that whole stunt but in D3, WBB coaches are given more time/chances to right the ship, and rightfully so. I just don't see UWO ever getting out of the bottom 3-4 teams with her in charge, just as I don't see UWL getting out of the middle of the league.

1. How so?
2. Baganz, Boeder, Pugh, Ebbens was a solid group. Since people on here acknowledge transfers as "recruiting" Churchill is a solid player.
3. Absolutely agree
4. Which is again what I think is the bigger issue. If you take every player that's been in her recruiting classes and leave them all in the program; they could be winning some games this year and be in conference tournament. I don't think she realized that at D3 you can only push so much, especially when you're rebuilding. Cause if you're losing and getting chewed out ... you start running out of reasons to stick around and see it through.
5. You've got quite a strong opinion on 1/4 of the coaches in the league. I assume you're not worried about them learning your affiliation?

[hoop_junkie]

Wenig and Boeder are good pick ups for UWO. Always good to get local kids. Katie Kitzke is also one of the better freshman in the WIAC but she kind of fell in their lap. Regardless, IMO this has been her first decent class. The class before it wasn't a WIAC caliber group and so I think UWO has a long road ahead of them. They need more inside players and need to add overall depth. It seems Schumacher may have settled down since her rant in the newspaper last year where she ripped everyone on her team. I thought she should've been let go after that whole stunt but in D3, WBB coaches are given more time/chances to right the ship, and rightfully so. I just don't see UWO ever getting out of the bottom 3-4 teams with her in charge, just as I don't see UWL getting out of the middle of the league.

1. How so?
2. Baganz, Boeder, Pugh, Ebbens was a solid group. Since people on here acknowledge transfers as "recruiting" Churchill is a solid player.
3. Absolutely agree
4. Which is again what I think is the bigger issue. If you take every player that's been in her recruiting classes and leave them all in the program; they could be winning some games this year and be in conference tournament. I don't think she realized that at D3 you can only push so much, especially when you're rebuilding. Cause if you're losing and getting chewed out ... you start running out of reasons to stick around and see it through.
5. You've got quite a strong opinion on 1/4 of the coaches in the league. I assume you're not worried about them learning your affiliation?

1. Had her major I believe which is fair to say. But I still don't think they know what they've got with her. She would've been a scholarship kid if she played in a better AAU club. I base that off of how athletic she is, how hard she plays and how good of a scorer she is. At one time she did have some interest from Parkside. I just don't think she got the exposure in HS that she should've.

2. That's an okay group but they can do so much better. She was recruiting kids like Myklebust and Megan McGowan who are low end d3 players. Why even waste time going after those kind of kids. Chase the studs! And Churchill left Stout because she didn't care for Coach Thomas' style so whether she was recruited at UWO doesn't matter. She went there, she's started for 2 years now and is a good player for them.

3. Fox cities area has been loaded with good HS post players in the 2009 and 2010 classes, so I find it hard to believe that none of these kids would've been interested in UWO had they been pursued harder. That being said, I guess we'll have to wait and see what they get in the 2010 class.

4. This is also true of the EC program. Chances are when you have 3-4 high end d3 recruits leave your program after 1 year that you as the coach are doing something wrong. But EC is definitely more guilty of this than any other program in the league.

5. I really don't care. I see a lot of games and know a lot of ppl. I also know what it takes to win at a high level, and I hate seeing people butcher great head coaching positions like we have in the WIAC. As for my affiliation, I really have none at the collegiate level. I'm just a fan of good basketball. I know some might think I'm overly critical but I really just want to see this league be even better then it already is.

[bulk19]

hoops junkie =

4. This is also true of the EC program. Chances are when you have 3-4 high end d3 recruits leave your program after 1 year that you as the coach are doing something wrong. But EC is definitely more guilty of this than any other program in the league.

Before you make a blanket general statement, why don't you provide us with the number of players who have left the other WIAC programs over recent years, too??? Let's see if EC is actually guilty of this??? Or are you just throwing numbers out there, like was in the case of the number of recruits brought in to EC was exaggerated here; I corrected that.

Your comment doesn't hold any weight if you don't provide names. You did earlier in a Jan. 15 post (or thereabouts), saying three recruits had left the program, but were not able to establish that that was indeed the case. One player was not listed on the roster of the school you thought she transfered to.

The other two? I then pointed out one was still enrolled at UWEC and the other, if I recall correctly, was still there, too, but had stopped playing due to injury. Why don't you check these players out and give us updates as to where they are now??? Perhaps now that the second semester is in full swing, you can provide this accurate info to back up your claim...

Players come and go for various reasons  - some can't cut it, some realize they are not good fits in a system, some are in over their heads... some think they will earn their playing time elsewhere... And yes, some even transfer for academic reasons.

To continue to rip UWEC by making general, unsubstantiated claims without providing facts sounds to me as if you have an axe to grind???

[hoop_junkie]

hoops junkie =

4. This is also true of the EC program. Chances are when you have 3-4 high end d3 recruits leave your program after 1 year that you as the coach are doing something wrong. But EC is definitely more guilty of this than any other program in the league.

Before you make a blanket general statement, why don't you provide us with the number of players who have left the other WIAC programs over recent years, too??? Let's see if EC is actually guilty of this??? Or are you just throwing numbers out there, like was in the case of the number of recruits brought in to EC was exaggerated here; I corrected that.

Your comment doesn't hold any weight if you don't provide names. You did earlier in a Jan. 15 post (or thereabouts), saying three recruits had left the program, but were not able to establish that that was indeed the case. One player was not listed on the roster of the school you thought she transfered to.

The other two? I then pointed out one was still enrolled at UWEC and the other, if I recall correctly, was still there, too, but had stopped playing due to injury. Why don't you check these players out and give us updates as to where they are now??? Perhaps now that the second semester is in full swing, you can provide this accurate info to back up your claim...

Players come and go for various reasons  - some can't cut it, some realize they are not good fits in a system, some are in over their heads... some think they will earn their playing time elsewhere... And yes, some even transfer for academic reasons.

To continue to rip UWEC by making general, unsubstantiated claims without providing facts sounds to me as if you have an axe to grind???

Bulk,

I just feel like a couple of those kids would've ended up being big time players in the WIAC and I feel like they got a raw deal. I know other kids leave programs for various reasons but the reason that EC has gotten some negative publicity for this is because the kids that left their program are really good. I wouldn't expect the average EC fan to know that because you never got to see these players on the floor during an actual game.

If I recall, the players I mentioned were Kaylee Cardinal, Brittni Hoover, Ashley Hightower and Alexa Deacon. In my previous post I never even mentioned Sam Peterson who also left the team after her freshman season.

Here's what I know to be fact:  Hoover left the program and transferred to St. Mary's. Her decision to leave was because she didn't play as a freshman. She's no longer listed on SMU's website but she did attend there 1st semester of this school year with the idea that she was going to play basketball.

Kaylee Cardinal is still enrolled at UWEC and I don't know what her intentions are for playing in the future. I had this confirmed by a relative of hers no less than 2 weeks ago.

Ashley Hightower to my knowledge is still enrolled at EC but obviously no longer on the team.

Alexa Deacon, also to my knowledge is still enrolled at EC and no longer on the team.

Regardless for the reasons why they chose to not play anymore, they were all high end d3 recruits coming out of HS and all with the EC program for a very brief time.

Here's the final stats for the 08-09 EC Women...

  SCORING  TOTAL  3-PTS  F-THROWS  REBOUNDS    MINUTES 
##  Player  GP  GS  Pts  Avg  FG  FGA  Pct  3FG  FGA  Pct  FT  FTA  Pct  Off  Def  Tot  Avg  PF  FO  A  TO  Blk  Stl  Tot  Avg 
34  Arciszewski, Heidi   30  30  431  14.4  142  358  .397  11  51  .216  136  154  .883  37  153  190  6.3  66  0  94  88  0  44  1014  33.8 
43  Mesick, Hannah   30  30  368  12.3  162  303  .535  0  0  .000  44  65  .677  62  96  158  5.3  78  1  26  69  11  21  856  28.5 
22  Witt, Heather   30  30  363  12.1  131  294  .446  45  141  .319  56  74  .757  12  89  101  3.4  52  0  103  89  3  99  1010  33.7 
03  Fremstad, Missy   30  30  193  6.4  60  146  .411  20  63  .317  53  70  .757  17  115  132  4.4  50  0  82  53  1  28  934  31.1 
20  Lindner, Jodi   30  16  139  4.6  50  125  .400  1  4  .250  38  53  .717  59  99  158  5.3  73  3  38  41  3  18  671  22.4 
51  Plendl, Ellen   22  13  89  4.0  41  76  .539  0  0  .000  7  15  .467  24  51  75  3.4  38  0  9  26  24  0  269  12.2 
21  Weinberg, Katie   26  0  86  3.3  29  82  .354  22  60  .367  6  10  .600  10  9  19  0.7  13  0  9  8  3  8  208  8.0 
40  Kaye, Pam   25  1  79  3.2  27  75  .360  8  27  .296  17  27  .630  29  47  76  3.0  32  0  18  18  0  11  389  15.6 
55  Anderson, Ashley   28  0  62  2.2  26  84  .310  0  2  .000  10  18  .556  28  40  68  2.4  39  0  13  34  7  4  290  10.4 
23  Kaeding, Kari   23  0  46  2.0  15  56  .268  3  12  .250  13  22  .591  11  29  40  1.7  26  0  13  12  5  8  217  9.4 
44  Halama, Callie   2  0  4  2.0  2  4  .500  0  0  .000  0  0  .000  1  1  2  1.0  1  0  1  2  0  1  8  4.0 
31  Cardinal, Kaylee   7  0  9  1.3  3  5  .600  1  2  .500  2  6  .333  2  5  7  1.0  2  0  2  4  1  1  22  3.1 
41  Gillberg, Ali   9  0  9  1.0  4  10  .400  0  0  .000  1  2  .500  0  5  5  0.6  7  0  2  2  0  1  28  3.1 
35  Freagon, Jess   8  0  8  1.0  4  6  .667  0  1  .000  0  0  .000  1  3  4  0.5  0  0  2  5  0  1  28  3.5 
33  Feyereisen, Tessa   5  0  4  0.8  1  2  .500  0  0  .000  2  2  1.000  2  0  2  0.4  1  0  0  1  0  1  14  2.8 
14  Olson, Laura   8  0  6  0.8  2  8  .250  1  5  .200  1  3  .333  0  0  0  0.0  5  0  4  5  1  1  23  2.9 
24  Hover, Brittni   5  0  2  0.4  1  3  .333  0  2  .000  0  0  .000  0  1  1  0.2  1  0  0  1  0  0  8  1.6 
32  Peterson, Sam   5  0  2  0.4  1  1  1.000  0  0  .000  0  0  .000  1  1  2  0.4  0  0  1  0  0  1  10  2.0 
12  Hightower, Ashley   1  0  0  0.0  0  0  .000  0  0  .000  0  0  .000  0  1  1  1.0  0  0  0  0  0  0  1  1.0 
  Total..........  30    1900  63.3  701  1638  .428  112  370  .303  386  521  .741  345  811  1156  38.5  484  4  417  471  59  248  6000   
  Opponents......  30    1553  51.8  521  1525  .342  150  547  .274  361  539  .670  277  665  942  31.4  502  -  312  501  56  223  6000   


I know this is hard to make out because of the limited space we have in the forum but the number to the immediate right of each kid's name is games played. You'll notice that all the freshman played sparingly. Now, some will argue that freshman don't get many minutes in the WIAC or that the mark of a good program is having juniors and seniors get all the minutes and that frosh/soph's play when they're ready. That's fine, I agree that freshman will always play less minutes. But the real shame here is, that this was a VERY good freshman class and out of the 30 games that EC played, the most any one of those kids played in was 8 games. Cardinal, Olson, Hightower, Feyereisen, Freagon as a starting 5 could probably beat Superior, Platteville and Oshkosh. Not to mention if you threw Hoover and Peterson into that mix what a nice group that is. You can't tell me that in a 30 game season that those kids shouldn't have gotten more chances. That's why they left the program and that's why EC is in the position they are this year. Retaining player s is absolutely crucial to the success of a program and EC is failing at that!

Now, as requested by Bulk I will dig up all of the WIAC teams rosters from a year ago and figure out who left where and we'll see who lost more quality players. To me, it's not about the number of kids that leave your program. In a non-scholarship situation, the bottom 2-3 kids leave most teams every year but at a program like EC and with kids like these, you need to retain these players because the success of your program depends on it.

[hoop_junkie]

Freshman that did not return, by school, 2008-09 season:

UW-Stout
Lindsey Brost-Flambeau Wasn't recruited very heavily out of HS. Not a key loss.

UW-Whitewater
Elise Vos-Burlington Decent player, had good length, 6ft tall. Not a key loss.
Megan Welsh-Catholic Memorial Low end d3 recruit. Not a key loss.
Jolyn Owen-Middleton Very good off the dribble. Could've been good. Key loss.

UW-River Falls
Everyone back

UW-Superior
Lost 5 players from last years incoming class. None of whom contributed much of anything.

UWL
No major losses from recruiting class.

UW-Oshkosh
Megan McGowan-Verona Started 9 games as a freshman. Decent athlete. Limited skills. Average loss.

UW-Platteville
Lori Nauman-Dubuque Hempstead very avg player. not a key loss.
Walker girls-Both sisters left the team. Melanie I believe is now at Edgewood on the team. She's a decent player. For UWP that's a key loss.

UW-Stevens Point
Myranda Hodgson-Bay Port Good player. Key loss.

Last but not least UWEC

Brit Hoover-Clayton good 3pt shooter. solid player. key loss.

Kaylee Cardinal- Hartland Arrowhead One of the best athletes out of all the freshman last year in the WIAC. Key loss

Ashley Hightower- Lax Logan Solid athlete. Strong presence. Key loss.

Sam Peterson- Onalaska Luther Good athlete, physically strong kid. Key loss.

Well this should be enough to keep everyone entertained for a while...

[bulk19]

Last year, UWEC had five seniors on the team. They got, and earned, more playing time than the freshmen. (To think that any frosh, at any WIAC school, is going to step in and get considerable playing time is an exception, rather than the rule. There are very few who have done it over the years...) So that, in theory, left at least five spots open on the roster this year. A big opportunity for those on the roster last year to step up and in this year, right?

Three returning sophomores, who aren't playing this year, probably would have made the roster this year, don't you think??? (Or maybe they didn't, in which case they didn't leave the program???)

But, if the names match the persons in the school directory: Peterson, Cardinal and Deacon are all still enrolled in school, at UWEC. That's very telling, seeings they were all freshmen last year, didn't see much playing time, but chose to continue their schooling at EC, despite the raw deal you claimed they got...

With apologies to the aforementioned, but if they got such a raw deal at EC, and were as good as you say, generating scholarship inklings, one would think they would have gone elsewhere to continue playing hoops?? One would think they would've transfered at the end of last year so they could step right in on a roster elsewhere, as a sophomore, rather than sit out a year at EC and then try to make a roster as junior, right? But we don't know any of this...

And we don't know why they aren't actually playing, do we?? (Hightower, was injured...) To speculate and say the coach is doing something wrong and the players got a raw deal is unfair, and unsubstantiated. Maybe they don't want to play??? Or maybe they are actually concentrating on academics??? Which is why they are still at school, at UWEC???

And we have not been able to track down Hoover. So we don't know if she is playing anywhere, or wants to, do we???

As far as the negative publicity - you are the one who brought it up here, linking to a Wisconsin Sports Network site post that asked a question, posed by a Mick Jagger, who asked about the aforemention players. It's interesting that he had to post the question twice, because it went unanswered on that forum. The second post, made on Nov. 24, remains unanswered as well.

Perhaps it is Mr. "Jagger" who wants to stir up the pot for some reason, or has an axe to grind, seeings he's the only one who, beside you, has given UWEC negative publicity, based on your opinions and suppositions... Let's steer Mr. Jagger over to this site and see what he has to say...

To reiterate: We don't know why these players, who are still at EC, are not playing. Might be the coach. Might not be.. Or it could be your evaluations are off? Or not? We don't really know...

Yes, I asked for a list. But we don't know if they are playing this year, either... And for you to evaluate last year's freshmen and dragging them through the mud, saying they are not big losses (when freshmen simply don't get much PT), is unfair to them. You've automatically suggested they are not capable of growing and improving as players, and bettering their skills. And thereby, in the future, contributing to their respective teams... That's silly, if you ask me...

[hoop_junkie]

Last year, UWEC had five seniors on the team. They got, and earned, more playing time than the freshmen. (To think that any frosh, at any WIAC school, is going to step in and get considerable playing time is an exception, rather than the rule. There are very few who have done it over the years...) So that, in theory, left at least five spots open on the roster this year. A big opportunity for those on the roster last year to step up and in this year, right?

Three returning sophomores, who aren't playing this year, probably would have made the roster this year, don't you think??? (Or maybe they didn't, in which case they didn't leave the program???)

But, if the names match the persons in the school directory: Peterson, Cardinal and Deacon are all still enrolled in school, at UWEC. That's very telling, seeings they were all freshmen last year, didn't see much playing time, but chose to continue their schooling at EC, despite the raw deal you claimed they got...

With apologies to the aforementioned, but if they got such a raw deal at EC, and were as good as you say, generating scholarship inklings, one would think they would have gone elsewhere to continue playing hoops?? One would think they would've transfered at the end of last year so they could step right in on a roster elsewhere, as a sophomore, rather than sit out a year at EC and then try to make a roster as junior, right? But we don't know any of this...

And we don't know why they aren't actually playing, do we?? (Hightower, was injured...) To speculate and say the coach is doing something wrong and the players got a raw deal is unfair, and unsubstantiated. Maybe they don't want to play??? Or maybe they are actually concentrating on academics??? Which is why they are still at school, at UWEC???

And we have not been able to track down Hoover. So we don't know if she is playing anywhere, or wants to, do we???

As far as the negative publicity - you are the one who brought it up here, linking to a Wisconsin Sports Network site post that asked a question, posed by a Mick Jagger, who asked about the aforemention players. It's interesting that he had to post the question twice, because it went unanswered on that forum. The second post, made on Nov. 24, remains unanswered as well.

Perhaps it is Mr. "Jagger" who wants to stir up the pot for some reason, or has an axe to grind, seeings he's the only one who, beside you, has given UWEC negative publicity, based on your opinions and suppositions... Let's steer Mr. Jagger over to this site and see what he has to say...

To reiterate: We don't know why these players, who are still at EC, are not playing. Might be the coach. Might not be.. Or it could be your evaluations are off? Or not? We don't really know...

Yes, I asked for a list. But we don't know if they are playing this year, either... And for you to evaluate last year's freshmen and dragging them through the mud, saying they are not big losses (when freshmen simply don't get much PT), is unfair to them. You've automatically suggested they are not capable of growing and improving as players, and bettering their skills. And thereby, in the future, contributing to their respective teams... That's silly, if you ask me...

Actually, I solved the Hover case tonight. She is enrolled at UW-Stout and will be playing there next year. A good move for both her and Stout I might add. And she was at St. Mary's first semester so I'm pretty sure my assessment of what happened to that class is pretty accurate.

Now that we got that out of the way. Most of the freshman in the WIAC who didn't return to their teams last year are the types of players that no matter how much time they put in on their games are not going to make it. So you're "Rudy" theory of kids working on their game and eventually cracking the lineup doesn't really fit across the board.

As for the players who are still enrolled at EC but not on the team. Quite often in college athletics one failure is enough for some players and they simply walk away from the game forever. I have no way of knowing their true motives for leaving or for no longer playing. In Deacon's case, I would say we should wait and see if she goes anywhere next year because she would still have 4 years of eligibility and maybe didn't want to transfer mid-season.

What I meant when I used the term "raw deal" is that those kids should've gotten some more minutes given their ability level. With kids of this generation, everyone wants success right now and as a coach I think you have to realize that and throw a kid some minutes in garbage time or play a bigger JV schedule. It's real simple, if you let players of that caliber sit there and rot on the bench then they're going to look elsewhere. So if you were the coach, why would you even recruit them if you knew they wouldn't play as freshman? Regardless that there were seniors in front of them who were better. That's just not going to fly with kids in this generation. All that aside, kudos goes out to Laura Olson for sticking around. That move appears to be paying off for her and EC.

And I don't believe the wissports forum gets the same amount of traffic or interest about WIAC women's basketball as the d3boards do. I happened to find that link when I googled the names of the players who left the program.

And I think it's fair to refer to a a freshman who doesn't make any real contribution at all or has no real potential as a prospect as "not a key loss". Those EC recruits had a big upside and were key losses for the future of that program.

[hoop_junkie]

Also heard that Heather Byl a 2009 graduate of Amery will be transferring and playing at Stout next year. Byl played the 07-08 school year at Osceola and the 08-09 season at Amery. I believe she was recruited by a number of d3s and originally chose Hamline but she has since decided to transfer to Stout.

[bulk19]

My Rudy theory perhaps doesn't apply, but we will not know what contributions players who are not on the team would have made, either... All the players mentioned were sophomores. (Hightower has been there three years now, though)..  They probably would have transferred before the season started this year if they intended on playing elsewhere???

I think the Blugold program will be just fine and will rebound from this little blip in the W/L record this year...

The last two UWEC blips came back to back in 2004-05 (16-11) and 2005-06 (13-13), seasons which were preceded by records of 19-7, 32-2 and 21-6, and followed by seasons of 19-9, 23-7 and 24-6 last year... Pretty hard for freshmen to gain a lot of time on a team that finished 23 in the country last year, if my memory serves me correctly...

As far as kids today? If they are recruited to play hoops, they should have some sort of idea of what the situation will be like when the are freshmen, and subsequent years, at the school they will be attending... Perhaps it isn't what they expected... Or they lose their desire... Or they want to concentrate on academics...

But the head coach decides who earns, and gets, the minutes. If you think you deserve them simply because you are of the "me generation," who think things are to be handed to them in life, and that they are entitled to things, sorry. Doesn't work that way; welcome to the real world, which is what I believe the coach at EC is preparing them for...

[OshDude]

Wenig and Boeder are good pick ups for UWO. Always good to get local kids. Katie Kitzke is also one of the better freshman in the WIAC but she kind of fell in their lap. Regardless, IMO this has been her first decent class. The class before it wasn't a WIAC caliber group and so I think UWO has a long road ahead of them. They need more inside players and need to add overall depth. It seems Schumacher may have settled down since her rant in the newspaper last year where she ripped everyone on her team. I thought she should've been let go after that whole stunt but in D3, WBB coaches are given more time/chances to right the ship, and rightfully so. I just don't see UWO ever getting out of the bottom 3-4 teams with her in charge, just as I don't see UWL getting out of the middle of the league.

Teri also said in the local paper that in past years she delegated most of the recruiting to an assistant. She said she now takes the lead in that department. Again, according to the article, which, because it was in a Gannett paper, costs $1 billion (approximation ... it may be more) to view it in the archive.

If anyone has read the Oshkosh paper at all this year, you'll notice a new Teri – one who's POSITIVE. And no, I didn't accidentally hit caps lock.

[billys]

I'm just wondering who is next?
Heeren- Check
Schumacher- Check
Englund- Check

Platteville?

I know you said you don't care if they know your affiliation. I just think it's weak for a "coach," which I believe you would call yourself, to come on here and anonymously bash people in your profession without knowing every situation. Every school, coach, individual has their own scenario.

And to base your evaluations of how they were as a high school player to how they would be as a WIAC player is completely irresponsible. Ashley Hightower played her entire high school career at one speed and was NEVER under control; GREAT athlete. It was a strong possibility she'd have a difficult time adjusting to the WIAC. There are countless recruits that have high expectations that aren't a good fit at the next level and the opposite; kids who you wouldn't have thought to become great players that did it through hard work and improvement. La Crosse had a kid a few years ago, Abby Johnson, who was not a great high school player that went on to be all-conference. There are plenty of those.

And again as bulk said, those kids had the opportunity to prove every day in practice. Maybe they didn't work hard, maybe they had bad attitudes, maybe they were lazy, maybe they got there and weren't good enough, maybe they didn't do anything in the off-season, or maybe Tonja did mess with them and it was her fault. Ultimately though there are a million possibilities in each case.

Even if the Hover kid goes to Stout and does well; that still doesn't necessarily mean Tonja made a huge mistake. What if she was bad for their system? What if the kid wasn't good for team chemistry? Selfish? The list goes on and on. Even if she tells you point blank, "I left cause of the coach, she screwed me over." There's still two sides to that story.

People can sit in an AAU gym in the summer and make all the assumptions they want about how a kid will be at the next level ... but until they walk in that gym in the fall no one has ANY IDEA ... and the person with the most information on that fact would be the head coach/staff at that school. None of these coaches won't play the best kids who give them a chance to win.

[hoop_junkie]

We can examine Platteville if you'd like. The southwest part of the state doesn't have a whole lot of talent at the HS level but I would definitely question how hard they hit the recruiting scene. I know there are some good d2/d3/d4 schools in that portion of the state so maybe that's a factor in why Pville isn't better than they are. I will say that it's definitely harder to recruit female athletes to Pville over the likes of EC, Lax and Oshkosh. They are a team that typically plays pretty hard, doesn't have a lot of depth and is limited in the post. The reason I bring up Oshkosh, EC and Lax is because I just feel they should be better then they are. Everyone wants to get all bent out of shape because I called some people on the carpet about how they run their programs but it's obvious that these programs I've mentioned can be and should be doing a lot better than they are. Some of these jobs are $40,000-60,000 a year and you got some ppl who are out there not getting after it like they should. That's a disgrace! And as for Schumacher, throwing your assistant under the bus in the newspaper and basically blaming them for the reason you struggled to get recruits in, WHAT IS THAT!? I'm glad someone said she cleaned up her act in the public eye, because a year ago she was a PR nightmare. I'll try to back off and not be so critical, but lets go, wake up and start making some of the premiere d3 coaching jobs into premiere programs.

[badgerwarhawk]

The WARHAWKS scored first but Eau Claire answered and held the lead for the next eight minutes before WHITEWATER regained it.  That didn't last long however as the BluGolds went ahead by as many as nine points.  However a lay up by Chantel Burg and a pair of free throws by Kelsey Hendrickson and Kelly Beese got the WARHAWKS to within three points 34-31 at the break.  The second half saw four ties and nine lead changes in the first fifteen minutes before Nicole Bundy hit a thee pointer and  the WARHAWKS took a lead they wouldn't surrender.  It was the only three pointer the WARHAWKS made in thirteen attempts.  After that Hendrickson put the WARHAWKS on her back scoring eight of the final eleven points in the 62-54 victory.  

Hendrickson finished with 20 points, 8 rebounds, 6 assists and 3 steals.  Bundy finished with 11 points.  Burg and Cortney Kumerow each had 9 points and Heidi Sonntag added 8.  The WARHAWKS outrebounded EauClaire 39 to 30 which included 19 on the offensive boards.  They had only 10 turnovers to 20 for the BluGolds and took 14 more shots.  However a cool 31% from the floor, compared to EauClaire's 50%, kept them from taking the advantage.  So the game was won on the free throw line with the WARHAWKS making 25 of 28 attempts and the BluGolds just 7 of 12.