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[badgerwarhawk]

You would make a more convincing argument if you didn't include comments regarding the officials' incompetence in your posts JMM. 

[The Champ]

Must of missed Englunds ranting during the first and second half at the refs.

Oh, I didn't miss TE playing "mind games" with the refs.  I would think that you would think that to be improper for a coach to play mind games...   TE must be a terrible coach in your opinion, based on your previous comments on this board.

At least 7-8 times there were no calls mad that were blaintent fouls.

I'll be the first to admit that IMO the refs missed some calls against Stout.  But if you had taken the time to watch both ends of the court you might have seen some "blatant" missed calls against UWEC also.

Bottom line, I find it incredulous you are complaining about the lack of calls against Stout when 26 fouls were called against Stout vs. only 15 for UWEC (not counting the 4 intentional fouls called in the last 57 seconds).

Hrsisig falls all over with the ball - no walk. Plendil falls - Walking.

The difference is, Plendl fell and slid, Hirssig fell and didn't slide. 

If you get a chance ask TE.

About the last HC that I would want to chat with is TE.  I have had conversations with the HC's from UWL, UWSP, UWRF and UWW.

I think there were 17 turnovers for EC in thre first  half. Not because of te sparkling St defense but becasue of the inability for EC to pass and dribble the ball.

You think UWEC had 17 TO's in the first half?  Well, seeing as how I already told you in my first post that UWEC had 17 TO's in the first half, that really isn't news....

And with your great powers of observation, I'm not surprised that you don't think the Stout defense had anything to do with the 17 TO's

This did improve later in the game.

Yeah...  As I posted earlier, UWEC only had 13 TO's in the second half.  That's a major improvement...

As I said in my original post, EC lost due to Brain Fog not the refs.

Yet you've whined about the refs in your THREE previous posts on this game...

[The Champ]

Champ.  You obviously watched the same game I did. 

It's called being objective.  The officiating was not good, but there were plenty of missed calls against both teams.  There were also several calls that should not have been made.

I wish the game had been called better.  It would have made for a more interesting game.

[The Champ]

Refs or no refs, you turn the ball over 30 times in a game and you are going to lose the majority of those games, but probably by more than three...

We've had a few differences of opinion on this board before...

But I agree - with 30 TO's and you shouldn't even be in the game.

It was the fouls called against Stout (and UWEC's FT shooting %) in the second half that was a major factor in making this game close.

[bulk19]

Actually, since the game ended in a three-point loss, I'd say the difference was three point shooting, seeings the Blue Devils made three on the night, and the 'Golds but two. 

[JMM]

I think most folks who posted today had much to say to verify refs incompetence. Again, EC would have won the game if there had been less self inflicted turnovers - those not as a result of Stouts' tenancious defense (which included holding the tall blue and gold players - do it if the refs let you). Having seen all but 6 EC games this year and understanding the duality of their play, my original post noted that they defeated themselves (as been the case many times this year) even though the refs were bad. Put another way fundamentals my Dear Dr. Watson. Fundamentals. When they come out mentally ready and alert and not in the fog of forgeting fundamentals, they have had a few good wins. Kind of like Stout. I do beleive these teams have good talent. Also believe they both have lost games they should have won.

[The Champ]

Actually, since the game ended in a three-point loss, I'd say the difference was three point shooting, seeings the Blue Devils made three on the night, and the 'Golds but two. 

But the Blugolds shot 25% on 3 pointers and the Blue Devils only hit 15.8%.

2 of 8 vs. 3 of 19.

Maybe UWEC should have attempted more 3's?

[bulk19]

OK boys and girls, here are some numbers to chew on and interpret as you see fit:

Total personal fouls committed by team, this season:

1) Stout = 565 fouls vs. 555 on opponents
2) Whitewater = 510 vs. 436 on opponents
3) Superior = 483 vs. 404 on opponents
4) River Falls = 442 vs. 425 on opponents
5) Stevens Point = 418 vs. 465 on opponents
6) La Crosse = 406 vs. 427 on opponents
7) Eau Claire = 403 vs. 420 on opponents
8) Oshkosh = 402 vs. 448 on opponents
9) Platteville = 394 vs. 520 on opponents

To suggest anything from this might be silly, seeings one could make a case the refs have it in for Stout and Whitewater, since they have committed the most fouls???

Or maybe they are biased for Platteville??? Seeings they were the least penalized, and had the biggest plus difference between the number the Pioneers committed vs. the number whistled against their opponents?

And yet, how do the W-L records shake out this year???

Bottom line is: Some teams are more physical, some are finesse, some run, some slow it down, some do a combo. Some are younger, some are older. All these factors lend themselves to more fouls or less fouls being called.

So I'd like to think the style of play dictates how the ref's call the game, not who is wearing what uniform. They call 'em as the see 'em, regardless of what we, with our team-colored glasses, from our butts in the stands, think.

And, heaven forbid, if a ref should make a mistake? A good team should be able to overcome it, and not use the refs as an excuse.

I will give the refs the benefit of doubt; afterall, those Ws and Ls in standings over the course of the season are ultimately determined by how, and reflect how, the each team played, not how the refs reffed...

[The Champ]

I think most folks who posted today had much to say to verify refs incompetence.

those not as a result of Stouts' tenancious defense (which included holding the tall blue and gold players - do it if the refs let you).

Still whining about the officials not calling enough penalties against Stout...

Did you watch the whole game or did you just fixate on a few missed calls on one end of the court?

[The Champ]

OK boys and girls, here are some numbers to chew on and interpret as you see fit:

Total personal fouls committed by team, this season:

1) Stout = 565 fouls vs. 555 on opponents

Stout plays a fast aggressive game which normally has both teams committing a high number of fouls.

And as your research shows, the fouls on average, were usually were pretty close at the end of the average game - plus or minus a couple 2 or 3 called fouls.  The lone exception was Platteville who averaged 5 less penalties per game.

[Bears rule]

How about the last weekend?

WW rolls Sup
STP plays like they did against EC  ten days earlier
LC stays on a roll. Looks like LC WW final right now
Stout and EC battle to the wire. From reading on the board it sounds like a typical stout ec game
RF takes down Platteville with no T Gregorich.

Going into this week WW and LC have played the best over the past few weeks. So based on how this season has gone, neither will win it all.  So, does that mean STP wins it all?

The wacky WIAC should be fun the see who has the best week. I do not even want to guess at this point.

For you EC and Stout folks on this board ae those two games when you play each other  the most heated games of the year when you two play?

 

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For you EC and Stout folks on this board ae those two games when you play each other  the most heated games of the year when you two play?

I would say so!

[The Champ]

For you EC and Stout folks on this board ae those two games when you play each other  the most heated games of the year when you two play?

I'd say there isn't a lot of love lost between the two....

I think the physical proximity to each other plays into the rivalry.

[WithasilentK]

Hrsisig falls all over with the ball - no walk. Plendil falls - Walking.

The difference is, Plendl fell and slid, Hirssig fell and didn't slide.  

You could slide from one end of the court to the other and not get called for traveling.  As long as you don't roll over it's not a travel.  They changed that rule 4 years ago or so.

If you have the ball and hold it as you fall to the ground, that's a travel.  If you don't have possession or are dribbling as you fall then it's not.

Just for clarification.

[The Champ]

As long as you don't roll over it's not a travel.  

Thanks for the clarification. 

And Plendl did roll over - started on her knees and ended up on her back.