WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[badgerwarhawk]

The number of fouls is interesting but what is more significant, imo, is the number of free throws that result from the fouls called.  Here's those number to do with as you please.

Team....Free throws attempted....Opponents free throws attempted

Eau Claire...439...434
LaCrosse....470...428
Oshkosh.....497...409
Platteville...600...388
River Falls...500...461
Stevens P...485...503
Stout..........661...687
Superior.....403...515
WW............538...591

I wonder what the deal is with Platteville.  They've attempted the second largest number of free throws and their opponents have shot less than any other program in the league. The numbers indicate that Stout's opponents get to the line significantly more often than any other program's opponents and nearly 100 more times than the next closest.   

I smell a conspiracy.   

[bulk19]

The number of fouls is interesting but what is more significant, imo, is the number of free throws that result from the fouls called.  Here's those number to do with as you please.

Team....Free throws attempted....Opponents free throws attempted

Eau Claire...439...434
LaCrosse....470...428
Oshkosh.....497...409
Platteville...600...388
River Falls...500...461
Stevens P...485...503
Stout..........661...687
Superior.....403...515
WW............538...591

I wonder what the deal is with Platteville.  They've attempted the second largest number of free throws and their opponents have shot less than any other program in the league. The numbers indicate that Stout's opponents get to the line significantly more often than any other program's opponents and nearly 100 more times than the next closest.    

I smell a conspiracy.  

Cue the theme from Twilight Zone, as you might be on to something there badgerwarhawk, seeings on Jan. 27 you posted:

Free throws killed the WARHAWKS again last night.  Point shoots 30 free throws making 22 and the WARHAWKS shoot 11 making 9.   I don't know what it is but for whatever reason since the Eau Claire game opponents have had the advantage from the free throw line 90-43.  The WARHAWKS trailed big early in the first half but managed to cut the lead down to five by the break and take their first lead at the sixteen minute mark 39-37.  Point was struggling at that point it we had a chance to put some distance between us however over the next 8 minutes we also couldn't score and then Point got back on track retaking the lead 44-43 and from that time on scores 17 of their next 24 points from the free throw line.  

Because since then, the totals have generally been in the Warhawks favor (exhibit #1, the last UWEC-Warhawk game)!

Quit playing mind games with the refs, and using your powers of suggestion, badgerwarhawk!   You put a bug in their ears! Ha.

As I said in my post, and you in your's, we can do what we want with these numbers, (and interpret them wearing our team-colored glasses), but I think we can agree that it ultimately comes down to who is in the uniforms, not the stripes...

So, you guys gearing up for a DH on Thursday? Great "Make Mine A Double" photo on the website... That pride and joy reflected in their faces is what it's all about, what gives us fans the enjoyment we experience during a season...

[billys]

No question in my mind we're still looking at a UWSP-WW final. Just don't see UWL getting past a team that swept them, then winning at Berg where I don't remember when they've won last.

And obviously I wasn't there but this has nothing to do with the game Saturday. I hate when people use the number of fouls to argue a point for biased officiating. That's what bad refs do to when they try to get them even and use that as an argument. It's almost impossible to have each team legitimately commit the same amount of fouls; the way Stout plays they will likely always have more fouls. What if they play a passive 2-3 zone team ... they could easily have 30 fouls to someone's else's 11. To me those numbers mean very little.

[Just Bill]

Congratulations to Shirley Egner! She has been elected to the Wisconsin Basketball Coaches Association Hall of Fame:

http://athletics.uwsp.edu/news/2010/2/20/WBB_0220101104.aspx?path=wbball

[billys]

Congratulations to Shirley Egner! She has been elected to the Wisconsin Basketball Coaches Association Hall of Fame:

http://athletics.uwsp.edu/news/2010/2/20/WBB_0220101104.aspx?path=wbball

Congrats to her.

Question though? How is Al McGuire just being inducted into the WBCA Hall of Fame this year? Weird

[wisco87]

The number of fouls is interesting but what is more significant, imo, is the number of free throws that result from the fouls called.  Here's those number to do with as you please.

Team....Free throws attempted....Opponents free throws attempted

Eau Claire...439...434
LaCrosse....470...428
Oshkosh.....497...409
Platteville...600...388
River Falls...500...461
Stevens P...485...503
Stout..........661...687
Superior.....403...515
WW............538...591

I wonder what the deal is with Platteville.  They've attempted the second largest number of free throws and their opponents have shot less than any other program in the league. The numbers indicate that Stout's opponents get to the line significantly more often than any other program's opponents and nearly 100 more times than the next closest.   

I smell a conspiracy.   

Stats can get pretty interesting sometimes can't they haha.  Now I am just guessing, but I wonder if it has anything to do with Platteville's margin of victory is -1.1.  So in games where there leading, there typically closer games, thus more fouling especially late in the game.  However, when UWP is losing, it is by a larger margin so there not fouling to try to get back into the game.  Idk for sure, just a guess. 

[WithasilentK]

No question in my mind we're still looking at a UWSP-WW final. Just don't see UWL getting past a team that swept them, then winning at Berg where I don't remember when they've won last.

And obviously I wasn't there but this has nothing to do with the game Saturday. I hate when people use the number of fouls to argue a point for biased officiating. That's what bad refs do to when they try to get them even and use that as an argument. It's almost impossible to have each team legitimately commit the same amount of fouls; the way Stout plays they will likely always have more fouls. What if they play a passive 2-3 zone team ... they could easily have 30 fouls to someone's else's 11. To me those numbers mean very little.

Losing by 6 to a team twice doesn't really display getting dominated...Though I think EC is a tough matchup for them.

If they do play well against EC and beat them, I can't see Stevens Point winning that game.  Nothing on Saturday showed me Stevens Point is a nationally ranked team.  Maybe it was a really bad game for them, but UWL was confident and smooth the entire game.  If they win against EC, there would be no reason for that to change.

[hoop_junkie]

One of the worst things an official can do is look at the foul total and try to make calls even out. So many factors play into that, it's unfair to teams that move their feet and keep their hands off. I hate when people make that argument and a ref gives into them.

[badgerwarhawk]

Five seniors finish in style....

[billys]

No question in my mind we're still looking at a UWSP-WW final. Just don't see UWL getting past a team that swept them, then winning at Berg where I don't remember when they've won last.

And obviously I wasn't there but this has nothing to do with the game Saturday. I hate when people use the number of fouls to argue a point for biased officiating. That's what bad refs do to when they try to get them even and use that as an argument. It's almost impossible to have each team legitimately commit the same amount of fouls; the way Stout plays they will likely always have more fouls. What if they play a passive 2-3 zone team ... they could easily have 30 fouls to someone's else's 11. To me those numbers mean very little.

Losing by 6 to a team twice doesn't really display getting dominated...Though I think EC is a tough matchup for them.

If they do play well against EC and beat them, I can't see Stevens Point winning that game.  Nothing on Saturday showed me Stevens Point is a nationally ranked team.  Maybe it was a really bad game for them, but UWL was confident and smooth the entire game.  If they win against EC, there would be no reason for that to change.

Guess I missed where I said DOMINATED. I'm saying I don't think they can do both. I think they can beat UWEC, I just don't see them doing that, then going to Berg and winning there.

You're willing to base your prediction for Thursday based on a half of basketball last Saturday? But then say getting swept doesn't really tell you anything about Tuesday? I guess I'm missing that logic. Point was up three at half and UWL dominated the 2nd half. Point went 6-for-27 in the 2nd half. I'm not saying that didn't have a lot to do with UWL's defense ... I'm just confident they won't shoot that poorly again at home.

Nice to have parents join in the discussion

[PRF2009A]

Nice to have parents join in the discussion

I wasn't aware anyone followed D3 Women's basketball besides those that play, coach, officiate, and the people that know players or coaches.  Nice to know that there are people out there that do.


Also, UWL was down 3 at half, but I don't think there were too many people in that gym that thought Stevens Point was going to pull off that game.  Either way you are right that going through EC and Point just to get to WW... That seems like a tall order.

Prediction time:

UWL over EC
Stout over RF

Point over UWL
WW over Stout?

WW? over Point

I'm not convinced on the prediction of the Stout vs. WW matchup.  But either way I would choose the winner of that game in the final.

[WithasilentK]

No question in my mind we're still looking at a UWSP-WW final. Just don't see UWL getting past a team that swept them, then winning at Berg where I don't remember when they've won last.

And obviously I wasn't there but this has nothing to do with the game Saturday. I hate when people use the number of fouls to argue a point for biased officiating. That's what bad refs do to when they try to get them even and use that as an argument. It's almost impossible to have each team legitimately commit the same amount of fouls; the way Stout plays they will likely always have more fouls. What if they play a passive 2-3 zone team ... they could easily have 30 fouls to someone's else's 11. To me those numbers mean very little.

Losing by 6 to a team twice doesn't really display getting dominated...Though I think EC is a tough matchup for them.

If they do play well against EC and beat them, I can't see Stevens Point winning that game.  Nothing on Saturday showed me Stevens Point is a nationally ranked team.  Maybe it was a really bad game for them, but UWL was confident and smooth the entire game.  If they win against EC, there would be no reason for that to change.

Guess I missed where I said DOMINATED. I'm saying I don't think they can do both. I think they can beat UWEC, I just don't see them doing that, then going to Berg and winning there.

You're willing to base your prediction for Thursday based on a half of basketball last Saturday? But then say getting swept doesn't really tell you anything about Tuesday? I guess I'm missing that logic. Point was up three at half and UWL dominated the 2nd half. Point went 6-for-27 in the 2nd half. I'm not saying that didn't have a lot to do with UWL's defense ... I'm just confident they won't shoot that poorly again at home.

Nice to have parents join in the discussion

And I guess I missed where I said YOU said DOMINATED because I didn't.  I was trying to point out that had they been dominated I would agree with them not being likely to beat them, but I don't think two close games will have much say on who wins other than it'll likely be a close game.

As for STP, I saw the game on Saturday, and seeing as IF UWL wins they would play them again, I see no reason why the matchups would change that much.  I am a firm believer that home court means jack in a game, but that's just my opinion.  I definitely wouldn't see a blowout, but STP did not get many good looks in that game, if they didn't again, they'd be in trouble.  I'll back off saying I can't see them winning that game, but I really think that UWL would have the upper hand.

But I still think Tuesday's game is going to be very difficult for UWL.  EC provides matchup problems...  I'm hoping for a good one.

[OshDude]

UWO's Schumacher knew her team was going to be in the WIAC cellar five years after taking the job.

"It's been a learning experience too, because I've learned what type of kid I need to recruit. I knew five years into it this is where we were going to be. We will get this back to where it was."

Interesting read. Unless you make a PDF, this article will be archived to Gannett purgatory in less than a week.

[Just Bill]

It's still startling to read a UWO article that dreams of reaching .500 someday.  It just shows how fragile success can be.  One coaching change and a couple bad recruiting classes and you're in a five-year hole.

[billys]

UWO's Schumacher knew her team was going to be in the WIAC cellar five years after taking the job.

"It's been a learning experience too, because I've learned what type of kid I need to recruit. I knew five years into it this is where we were going to be. We will get this back to where it was."

Interesting read. Unless you make a PDF, this article will be archived to Gannett purgatory in less than a week.

Wow! That is quite a read. The problem is it didn't have to happen cause she had an immediate conference title to recruit off of. That's a really weird article. The first year when she "couldn't" recruit the won the league. So she should have had the opportunity to see during that year the "type of kid they needed" cause she was coaching them on a daily basis.

The problem now is the hole might be too deep. You can't take a five-year hiatus as a program and then think you can just recruit. As optimistic as she is she's not building off of a large foundation by talking about two kids. Not to mention other schools that are already much better than you will also be getting a year older with their returners and getting better kids.

Can't wait to hear hoop_junkie's take on this.

It is against my beliefs to knock a coach and how they run their program; but that makes me wonder about Oshkosh. I swore I was listening to Lisa Stone coming up with excuses why it takes 8 years to "turn-around" a program that annually went to the NCAA Tournament; heck, it's a similar situation.

Yikes