WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[billys]

I was thinking La Crosse would be a lock since they had 100% of their scoring and rebounding back from a team that was as hot as any until the WIAC tournament.  That of course changes now that Van Handel is not playing this year. 

A lock to win the exhibition game?

[Out_Of_My_Kitchen]

My mistake, I was referring back to an old post of mine saying they should be a lock to being nationally ranked.  Still getting used to the site.  I no longer have that opinion, but should still be a good team.

[JMM]

Yes, I did remove the MT rant. It was only a short time after I posted it. Felt it was inappropriate. Agenda, no. My observation that  MT in the past few years is more into antics then winning. Yes, record is OK put has not totally capitalized on his talent. Can't argue that he did not have a heck of a lot of talent last year. My bias - I played for coaches like him. They were unsettling. If you read the original, I refered to putting kids in and pulling them out if they made a mistake. It tends to be his stock and trade. I get to 10 or so Stout games a year. MT dramatics are unecessary and I think, hard on the kids. As for platville, we shall see.

[billys]

Yes, I did remove the MT rant. It was only a short time after I posted it. Felt it was inappropriate. Agenda, no. My observation that  MT in the past few years is more into antics then winning. Yes, record is OK put has not totally capitalized on his talent. Can't argue that he did not have a heck of a lot of talent last year. My bias - I played for coaches like him. They were unsettling. If you read the original, I refered to putting kids in and pulling them out if they made a mistake. It tends to be his stock and trade. I get to 10 or so Stout games a year. MT dramatics are unecessary and I think, hard on the kids. As for platville, we shall see.

I'll argue that. I'll argue they finished right where they belonged and to finish within two of WW and one of Point is a pretty good year with what they had.

I'll take that Platteville bet too. I'll put their over under on conference wins at 4.5 and load up on the under.

[The Champ]

Yes, I did remove the MT rant. It was only a short time after I posted it.

Originally posted: October 24, 2010, 09:01:33 am »   

Last Edit: October 24, 2010, 12:57:36 pm by JMM » 

Felt it was inappropriate.

It was.

Agenda, no. My observation that  MT in the past few years is more into antics then winning.

Coach T has not won less than 10 games per year in the WIAC (one of the most competitive conferences in DIII WBB) since 1995/96 season.  No other coach in the WIAC can match that.  In WIAC competition he has never failed to have a winning season. 

Winning seems to be a consistent thing with Mark Thomas coached teams.

My bias - I played for coaches like him.

So your agenda is you were benched for poor performance and hold a grudge....

[PRF2009A]

Yes, I did remove the MT rant. It was only a short time after I posted it.

Originally posted: October 24, 2010, 09:01:33 am »   

Last Edit: October 24, 2010, 12:57:36 pm by JMM » 

Felt it was inappropriate.

It was.

Agenda, no. My observation that  MT in the past few years is more into antics then winning.

Coach T has not won less than 10 games per year in the WIAC (one of the most competitive conferences in DIII WBB) since 1995/96 season.  No other coach in the WIAC can match that.  In WIAC competition he has never failed to have a winning season. 

Winning seems to be a consistent thing with Mark Thomas coached teams.

My bias - I played for coaches like him.

So your agenda is you were benched for poor performance and hold a grudge....

I understand that JMM's post deserves a good ripping, and your comments are quite entertaining and true.  But I can't help but ask a legitimate question.

Do you wake up every morning just pissed off at life/WIAC basketball topics Champ?

[The Champ]

I understand that JMM's post deserves a good ripping, and your comments are quite entertaining and true.  But I can't help but ask a legitimate question.

Do you wake up every morning just pissed off at life/WIAC basketball topics Champ?

I actually am quite the optimist and enjoy life greatly....

I held back on ripping him/her on Sunday - waiting for everyone else to have a chance to provide their feedback.  As already posted - I thank everyone for their posts that questioned JMM's thought process and agenda (including you...).

With JMM's followup post, I didn't feel the need or have the desire to holdback.  The very idea that the winningest coach in WIAC history is more into "antics" than winning just was over the top.

For the record, the last time Coach T had a non-winning conference season was in 1989/1990.  Point can't say that (99/00 record 5 - 11), EC can't say that (05/06 record 8 - 8), WW can't say that (04/05 record 7 - 9) and the rest of the WIAC teams have all had losing records at least one time since 2006.   

[BDB]

My bias - I played for coaches like him. They were unsettling.

Holy crap JMM. Unsettling?

You went off on Thomas last year I remember.

Mark expects his players to give their best to the team and to their education. The success of his teams, and his players says it all.

I grant you that a weak minded player is going to to be unsettled in his, or basically any college program.

I have known many of his players over the years. They are not going to get "unsettled" by anything life throws at them for long.

[BDB]

Do you wake up every morning just pissed off at life/WIAC basketball topics Champ?

+K    I warned you folks that JMM comments would unleash a Champ sunami.  

I'm even going to give one to JMM just to keep things friendly.

Closed Circuit to billys: You rock. Your knowledge of this league is impressive.

[badgerwarhawk]

Platteville puts 30 points on the board vs Northwestern (85).  I didn't expect them to keep it a game but 30 points seems awfully few.  Of course it's impossible to tell how any other teams in the WIAC would have fared.

Admittedly I don't see Mark Thomas coach very often but I have never noticed any of his players cowering in fear or breaking down because of their interactions with him during games.  Quite the contrary they seem to respond more often than not.  Did I say I was glad Julia Hirsig graduated?

[The Champ]

Admittedly I don't see Mark Thomas coach very often but I have never noticed any of his players cowering in fear or breaking down because of their interactions with him during games.  Quite the contrary they seem to respond more often than not. 

I think you are an astute BB mind, and your take is what most people who understand the game would have.

You could ask your own HC Keri C, or her Asst Coach Amy Z, about players respond to Coach T's "style".  Keri spent enough time with T as Mark's Asst, and Amy started for four years at Stout and that was an Asst Coach for T.

Coach Cindy H at UWRF could also give some input - she's a Stout Athletic "Hall of Fame" member who still holds the career 3 point record at Stout.  Oh, and she also was an Asst under Coach T. 

One might deduct that Coach T's "style" builds leadership qualities.  Their are several other former players that have been inspired to go into coaching BB, they just aren't coaching in the WIAC. 

[jam8788]

I think one way to judge a coach's greatness is by the coaching tree that develops from them.  Look at Coach K at Duke, or Dean Smith at UNC.  Mark Thomas (UW Stout) has a large coaching tree.  Pam Ruder (UW Oshkosh) also has an equally large coaching tree.  Coincidence that they're two of the most successful coaches of all time in the WIAC?

[cubs]

I think one way to judge a coach's greatness is by the coaching tree that develops from them.  Look at Coach K at Duke, or Dean Smith at UNC.  Mark Thomas (UW Stout) has a large coaching tree.  Pam Ruder (UW Oshkosh) also has an equally large coaching tree.  Coincidence that they're two of the most successful coaches of all time in the WIAC?

Care to enlighten me on who is a part of that tree?  If I was going to use a women's coach at UWO, it would be Kathi Bennett, not Pam Ruder.  Ruder was an assistant under Bennett for quite some time if I'm not mistaken.

[Out_Of_My_Kitchen]

Stevens Point #6, La Crosse, Stout, Whitewater, and River Falls receiving votes in the National Poll.  I am surprised Eau Claire didn't receive a single vote.  Then again it is hard to rank everyone who might deserve it. 

I bet Eau Claire is going to finish in front of at least two of the teams that got votes in the conference race.  With their guards a year older and those experienced posts, they could make a lot of noise this year. 

[JMM]

WIAC AD poll is out, SP picked to win it all. EC picked number 2. Saw EC intersquad scrimmage last night. The guard issue is no longer an issue. Couple of new upper classman playing guard/up front. Wonderful. Plendil looked very mature and seasoned. Should be good year for the blue and gold.