WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

Just Bill · February 24, 2012, 04:14:40 PM

Quote from: bulk19 on February 24, 2012, 03:52:24 PM
That being said, it's difficult to beat a team three times in a season, and the Pointers did blow the Warhawks out twice this year, but I will pick the Pointers on Saturday...

Channeling my inner Greg Sager here...

This is one of the biggest falsehoods in sports. In actuality, the team that wins the first two games wins the third game far more often than not. Something in the neighborhood of 70%. The reason: the team that won the first two games, won the first two games because they are likely the better team. If they weren't they probably wouldn't have won both of the first two games.

JMM · February 24, 2012, 10:09:07 PM

Agree EC beat itself. I agree WW under the radar - good place to be. WW are really good. so fast, swift and tenacious. Agree the style of play could help the blugolds if they can get to NCAA. Halama and Plendl for a team that has not faced that kind of match up could really get cause havoc. Also, WW and RF and SP did pretty good at taking outside EC game away. EC has some good shooters Bingea, Olson, Rempert and Christenson so a non WIAC team would need to figure that out. Here's hoping 4 teams get in. Will report on SP and WW tomorrow. Hope to see it there. I'm still going WW though SP will not be intimated by he super press and trapping. Barber will just driblle through, cross the key and throw it in. Shirley E. will have them practicing beating that trap stuff all night.

bulk19 · February 24, 2012, 10:44:46 PM

Quote from: JMM on February 24, 2012, 10:09:07 PM
Agree EC beat itself. I agree WW under the radar - good place to be. WW are really good. so fast, swift and tenacious. Agree the style of play could help the blugolds if they can get to NCAA. Halama and Plendl for a team that has not faced that kind of match up could really get cause havoc. Also, WW and RF and SP did pretty good at taking outside EC game away. EC has some good shooters Bingea, Olson, Rempert and Christenson so a non WIAC team would need to figure that out. Here's hoping 4 teams get in. Will report on SP and WW tomorrow. Hope to see it there. I'm still going WW though SP will not be intimated by he super press and trapping. Barber will just driblle through, cross the key and throw it in. Shirley E. will have them practicing beating that trap stuff all night.

Last one out of the Berg tonight, turn out the lights!

JMM · February 25, 2012, 06:14:16 AM

Amen.

billys · February 25, 2012, 01:52:17 PM

Quote from: Just Bill on February 24, 2012, 04:14:40 PM
Quote from: bulk19 on February 24, 2012, 03:52:24 PM
That being said, it's difficult to beat a team three times in a season, and the Pointers did blow the Warhawks out twice this year, but I will pick the Pointers on Saturday...
Channeling my inner Greg Sager here...

This is one of the biggest falsehoods in sports. In actuality, the team that wins the first two games wins the third game far more often than not. Something in the neighborhood of 70%. The reason: the team that won the first two games, won the first two games because they are likely the better team. If they weren't they probably wouldn't have won both of the first two games.

Is it really that high? I'd like to see those numbers; would be interesting.

I mostly agree with you but from a coaching standpoint it is not easy to beat that team again (if the talent is close which I believe this matchup is). If you've won two you've seemingly figured out how best to beat that team ... but the other team will be likely making significant adjustments; often things you haven't seen from them previously. If you've lost twice you've likely got to try to do something different. At that point it can become a back-and-forth of adjustments.

There's also the mental aspect. Does the 0-2 team believe they can win? Are they even more fired up? Does the 2-0 team get overconfident?

I think it's an interesting premise regardless. We'll see how it plays out!

bulk19 · February 25, 2012, 09:39:28 PM

OK, so I had a vision last night, and this is how it is all going to shake out...

Since I've been campaigning and whining for all four WIAC teams to get in, so we can see how these teams match up against teams from outside the conference, they will all get NCAA bids...

First round pairings will be:

UWSP vs. UWEC
and
UWW vs. UWRF

JMM · February 25, 2012, 09:49:19 PM

Beleive it or not i had the same vision!

JMM · February 25, 2012, 10:05:47 PM

I will add to this post and get my thoughts together and edit later. There was an announcemnt right at the end of the first half at SP tonight reminding folks of spotsmansip. Could it have been directed to the WW team? What happened during the second half was not acceptable. It was wonderful that Refs clampped down on WW big time for the THUG Ball (not like the refs at EC game). At least two players made horrible mistakes. One stormed off the court and out of the arena after throwing the ball at the wall. Yes a big T.
The other blantly tried tripping an SP player who started away with a loose ball. Even Shirley slapped her hands and said, that should have been a technical. Folks you can judge for yourselves. The game will be on Fox March 14 and March 21. Shame on the WW coach who I think encourages the behavior. WIAC officials were at the game. Should be interesting to see if anything happens. WIAC does not need THUG Ball. Watch the replay on Fox. A classy SP team crunched the team from THUG-ville by almost 20 points. This is my opinion.

badgerwarhawk · February 26, 2012, 11:25:05 AM

I take considerable exception to your comments JMM and I'm tempted to type out a lengthy post explaining why you're full of crap. But I'm not going to and you're certainly entitled to your opinion regardless of how absurd the conclusions you draw are. What I will say is that the behavior of the WW player ejected was inappropriate and unacceptable regardless of how frustrated she was from having been tackled by that classy Stevens Point defender on a fast break without getting a call. Coach Carollo encouraging thug behavior is ridiculous and shows how little you know about her.

Point beat us because they are more disciplined. Because of that our press doesn't impact them the way it impacts other teams, particularly Eau Claire who had 76 turnovers in the three games we played. They have size that is difficult for us to match up with. They hit several clutch shots just as the shot clock was expiring and when we double teamed the ball they always seemed to find the open player for an uncontested shot. Defensively they took away our outside game and when we got the ball inside their size make it difficult. Congrats to them. They outplayed us and showed why they were regular season and tournament co-champions and champions.

In closing I just want to say that the next time you're at WalMart do yourself a favor and buy a clue.

JMM · February 26, 2012, 12:16:03 PM

Removed my original reply to the above. I stand by what I said on the SP and WW game. In short I think WW lossed control of it's intimidation game on Saturday resulting in THUG ball. Invite all to watch the rebroadcast and judge for themselves. I beleive FOX NO and FOX Wisconsin, Mar 14 nd 21. You will need to check.

badgerwarhawk · February 26, 2012, 05:31:20 PM

You'd have been better served by removing your first comment.

buf · February 26, 2012, 10:35:58 PM

My best guess for national tourney:

UWW, UWRF and UWEC all get in.

UWW goes to a pod @ Chicago with Monmouth and Carthage. UWW would play Carthage.

UWRF goes to a pod @ St Thomas with Coe and Martin Luther. UWRF vs. Coe

UWEC goes to a pod @ UWSP with Illinois Wesleyan and Westminster. IWU has played both UWEC & UWSP so there would be a 1st round matchup between teams who played in the regular season. Point as the high seed would play Westminster

Wash U flies to George Fox pod

A possible flip of Wash U and IWU

bulk19 · February 26, 2012, 11:23:36 PM

Quote from: buf on February 26, 2012, 10:35:58 PM
My best guess for national tourney:

UWW, UWRF and UWEC all get in.

UWW goes to a pod @ Chicago with Monmouth and Carthage. UWW would play Carthage.

UWRF goes to a pod @ St Thomas with Coe and Martin Luther. UWRF vs. Coe

UWEC goes to a pod @ UWSP with Illinois Wesleyan and Westminster. IWU has played both UWEC & UWSP so there would be a 1st round matchup between teams who played in the regular season. Point as the high seed would play Westminster

Wash U flies to George Fox pod

A possible flip of Wash U and IWU

Sounds good to this WIACer!

LA RAMS · February 27, 2012, 07:59:05 AM

I don't have any problem with four WIAC teams making it in as long as GAC (Gustavus Adolphus) gets in. If the WIAC gets four and the IIAC gets two then the MIAC sure as hell better get two as well.

buf · February 27, 2012, 08:20:30 AM

Pat has UWEC NOT getting in. Instead they are left on the table. He has Cathage getting in ahead of UWEC. He says that Carthage was ahead of UWEC in the regional rankings last week. It looks like they were both out unless he has some access to a longer list??? I just don't see how Carthage would be ahead of UWEC. They have a worse regional record, a worse SOS, worse amount of games and winning percentage against regionally ranked opponnents.