WBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[d3_ballu43]

hello everyone, I have been a long time reader of d3 hoops discussion boards and I have become real interested in the WIAC lately. After reading the latest posts I just was wondering why Point's coach is being criticized for showing a little fire during a recent Stout game, and how her getting a technical has anything to do with the outcome of their next game. As I recall after looking at their statistics their coach's T was followed by a 9-4 run to end the half for Point. So in this case I think the T may have fired her kids up a little bit rather than making them frustrated.

[foul_language]

As I recall after looking at their statistics their coach's T was followed by a 9-4 run to end the half for Point

And the outcome of the game was...?

Fire is one thing, but persistent cranking has to be another. At some point--as was evidenced by WW coach discussion last night--players/coaches have to take some responsibility for what's going on on the court. What I saw at the SP-Stout game was constant gnawing at the refs.

I've seen TWO games where refs determined the outcome: a high school basketball game and a college soccer game. Refs make good and bad calls; players learn to play under the circumstances, and having a coach screaming at the refs all through the game takes the focus off how the people play. It develops a situation where the player doesn't have to adjust, he or she can simply say the game is up to the refs. That's silly and pointless.

Does that mean coaches shouldn't give the refs a buzz every once in a while? Of course they should, if only to wake them up when they seem to have dozed. There needs to be some balance, though.

A 9-4 run is nothing. A 36-4 run would have made a statement.

[d3_ballu43]

a 36-4 run would be tough for any team especially with out their top guards (schultz and pepper) a 9-4 run in the last two minutes of the first half (in which they were losing 51-28 going into halftime) leading into a much better second half I see where they were only outscore by 3 instead of 24. I don't know about you but I see that as quite an improvement. No one can really say what sparked it but I wouldn't fault any loss on a coach defending her kids to an official. But I guess we are all entitled to our own analysis on the situation.

[shootfromthearc]

d3_ballu43,

I didn't bother reading through FLs post before writing this but I will afterwards. I'm sure I'll read a bunch of bs but I agree with your stand.  Another thing to know is that Stout is one of the most brutal programs in the game.  Very talented players and coaching but the plan is to reach, scratch, push, push some more, bump, slap, dig, and foul as much as possible.  Before long it's not a game of strategy, it's a game of players getting their arses smacked up and becoming filled with frustration because there's no way that the refs can possibly call all the fouls that are occuring. It's bad enough with poor officiating, but then you have a lot of frustration by players and coaches as a post move or an offense with Xs and Os no longer comes into play because you're being pushed. That's why coaches get pissed during a game like that. You demand a lot of your players, want the officials to make the calls fairly and want justice from all of the injustice. I assure you that takes its toll. If I was a coach, I wouldn't last a half before getting tossed - especially up there.  But hey, to each their own, they do what they do well.

[foul_language]

didn't bother reading through FLs post before writing this but I will afterwards. I'm sure I'll read a bunch of bs

Ouch.

[foul_language]

the plan is to reach, scratch, push, push some more, bump, slap, dig, and foul as much as possible

Hyperbole, right? I'd give you 'bump' and 'push', but that's standard for basketball and hardly unique to Stout women.  'Reach', OK, but not really part of a 'plan' more a lack of foot movement. 'Scratch', 'slap', 'foul as much as possible': I don't think so. I don't even know what 'dig' is in basketball; if it's scrapping for loose balls, I'll grant you that, too, but I don't see it as a bad thing.

I'll give you some real BS to chew on, though: I've heard people complain women's basketball is too boring to watch, and I'm guessing they've been watching the games where the ball crawls up the court, offense faces defense and they all stare at each other until the game ends in a 29-21 score. Nowhere is that a game. In the current discussion, women who dive for loose balls, play aggressive defense, drive and run fast and hard are 'brutal.' That's paternalistic HS (comes from a horse) if I ever heard it.

[ubetchamn]

Well stated Foul....

[Voice of the Titans]

How is Stout's 06-07 recruiting class of 62 kids coming thus far?

Seriously though, looking forward to some good games tomorrow night. Tourney has been as planned thus far, except for UWO men losing at home.

[foul_language]

62? that would be down this year, right?

[stoutguy]

d3_ballu43,

I didn't bother reading through FLs post before writing this but I will afterwards. I'm sure I'll read a bunch of bs but I agree with your stand.  Another thing to know is that Stout is one of the most brutal programs in the game.  Very talented players and coaching but the plan is to reach, scratch, push, push some more, bump, slap, dig, and foul as much as possible.  Before long it's not a game of strategy, it's a game of players getting their arses smacked up and becoming filled with frustration because there's no way that the refs can possibly call all the fouls that are occuring. It's bad enough with poor officiating, but then you have a lot of frustration by players and coaches as a post move or an offense with Xs and Os no longer comes into play because you're being pushed. That's why coaches get pissed during a game like that. You demand a lot of your players, want the officials to make the calls fairly and want justice from all of the injustice. I assure you that takes its toll. If I was a coach, I wouldn't last a half before getting tossed - especially up there.  But hey, to each their own, they do what they do well.

Whenever I see a post like this I just assume that it comes from a disgruntled parent, scorned former "wanta be" player, or someone from some program that just can not compete.  Which catagory do you fit?  I'm just curious.  The only thing brutal about Mark Thomas' program is that he is tough to beat and his program gets better and more respected every year.

[wisconsinball]

How is Stout's 06-07 recruiting class of 62 kids coming thus far?

Seriously though, looking forward to some good games tomorrow night. Tourney has been as planned thus far, except for UWO men losing at home.

UWO better look into how to get a recruiting class of 62. 

[badgerwarhawk]

If the refs can't keep up with the fouls Stout is committing then perhaps the other team should adapt a more physical style.  It not only fights fire with fire but it stands to reason that if they can't keep up with one team they won't be able to keep up with the other one either. 

There are alot different ways to play the game of basketball but all of them involve adapting to the officiating and adjusting your play to the game as it evolves.   

[BDB]

d3_ballu43,

I didn't bother reading through FLs post before writing this but I will afterwards. I'm sure I'll read a bunch of bs but I agree with your stand.  Another thing to know is that Stout is one of the most brutal programs in the game.  Very talented players and coaching  You demand a lot of your players, want the officials to make the calls fairly and want justice from all of the injustice.

This is one of the most ridiculous posts I have ever read.

First of all, sfta, maybe you should read someone's post before you call it b*sh*t and before you hit the reply button.

Secondly you rip the style of play while complimenting the coach. What? 

Justice from all the injustice? What the...

I guess when you are top, everyone takes a shot at you. But at least get a few facts together and make some sort of point.

[shootfromthearc]

It's always so funny to see how loyal Stout fans and posters are when someone has something negative to say about the team's style of play. You complement on a coach who has success and a formula to find a way to win. You may not agree with it, as in my case, but you can see it. You people are so damned used to seeing pushing and shoving the whole game that you now ONLY consider it as aggressive, such as diving for loose balls. Give me a break, any person diving or working hard would only be seen as positive. I'm talking about bumping cutters hard, hand-checking constantly, displacing the post, slapping, etc. After awhile it's no longer a game of strategy.  Get physical back? Sure, you can try but then both teams ring up fouls and good players sit out.  That's basketball?  I get the old fashioned school of thought you have going there, the ol' tough it out style of play, but I was simply commenting on the FACT that refs can't call every foul and it tends to force teams out of a game of strategy and into pushing back. By that time you have people sitting on the bench, frustrated and coaches getting t's. I'm assuming none of YOU have played the damn game because it's clear that you cannot understand a simple opinion on your beloved team.

Have you ever played a pick up game? Are you any good that you could actually make a move on someone? You perform a cross-over and drive and run into the 47 year old father of two that's standing in your way with both of his hands on you and fall to the floor. It's clear your skill and ability will have to be altered because of physical play. Not to compare the talented athletes at Stout to an old man, but rather give you an anology of physical play ALTERING the game some.

And as far as giving it to a team on top, I don't recall Stout winning any titles or dominating the WIAC over any given period of time.  Now I hope your stupid comment bites you in the arse by way of La Crosse. At least your back to talking basketball...

LX 72 Stout 71
SP 54 Osh 53

[BDB]

And as far as giving it to a team on top, I don't recall Stout winning any titles or dominating the WIAC over any given period of time. 

You are outdoing even yourself.

The BlueDevils have won outright or shared the conference regular season title 3 of the last 5 years.

The 2 previous times they won the regular season title, they won the conference tournament. This year we'll see.

Is that winning any titles over a given period of time to you?