FB: Region 3 fan poll

[jknezek]

Thanks to our voters being on the ball again, the Poll is up early again!

Region 3 (South Atlantic-Ish) Fan Poll Week 4

Conferences: ODAC, PAC, SAA, USASAC

Rank			School			Points			Voter Breakdown
1			W&J			35			1 , 1 , 1 , 1 , 1
2			B-SC			24			2 , 6 , 2 , 2 , 4
3			Westminster (Pa.)			20			4 , 3 , 3 , 2
4			Trinity (Texas)			16			3 , 4 , 4 , 6 , 7
5			Ferrum			13			6 , 2 , 3
6			Centre			9			7 , 5 , 5 , 6
7			W&L			7			7 , 6 , 4

Also Receiving Votes:
Berry (6)
R-MC (6)
Grove City (3)
Averett (1)

1 = 1st Place Vote, 7 = 7th Place Vote in Voter Breakdown
Special Thanks to the Voters: jknezek, Hawks88, BSCpanthers, Wild Horse Rider, ADL70

Games involving 2 Poll members this weekend:
Berry hosting Trinity
Ferrum hosting R-MC

[BSCpanthers]

Surprised I was only the only one to see value in Averett's win this past weekend to get the USA South into the rankings when we have a USA South voter. 

This weekend could see some shakeup, unfortunately we are still a couple weeks away from possibly knowing what BSC really is, but to put them 6th, c'mon, to average over 48 points a game, while only letting up just over 10 points a game.  I don't care who you play, that's still dominating. 

Maybe if Ferrum gets that win over R-MC everyone will notice them.

I've enjoyed this so far, for sure learning about teams I don't normally thing about.  I really only knew the USA South and SAA, so this has been educational, I still have a ton more to learn about these other conferences and teams.

[jknezek]

Surprised I was only the only one to see value in Averett's win this past weekend to get the USA South into the rankings when we have a USA South voter. 

This weekend could see some shakeup, unfortunately we are still a couple weeks away from possibly knowing what BSC really is, but to put them 6th, c'mon, to average over 48 points a game, while only letting up just over 10 points a game.  I don't care who you play, that's still dominating. 

Maybe if Ferrum gets that win over R-MC everyone will notice them.

I've enjoyed this so far, for sure learning about teams I don't normally thing about.  I really only knew the USA South and SAA, so this has been educational, I still have a ton more to learn about these other conferences and teams.

Averett beat a winless Maryville team. I'm not sure that registers as anything to me. Their more impressive win is CNU to me, but not enough to get them in the poll. However, them beating CNU, and W&L losing to CNU, is why I abstained from the Generals despite the big win. I had Averett, W&L, and R-MC all in a lump based on close results, and they would have been my 8,9,10 if we went that deep.

[Hawks88]

I had Trinity, Centre and BSC at 4, 5, and 6 last week and just didn't move them any this week. I probably should be giving BSC more credit for the Huntingdon win than I have. I see where I could've easily flipped BSC and Trinity this week.

If we were doing top ten then I would have Averett in there. I'm like jknezek with W&L, RMC and Averett all lumped together too.

[Ron Boerger]

I had Trinity, Centre and BSC at 4, 5, and 6 last week and just didn't move them any this week. I probably should be giving BSC more credit for the Huntingdon win than I have. I see where I could've easily flipped BSC and Trinity this week.

If we were doing top ten then I would have Averett in there. I'm like jknezek with W&L, RMC and Averett all lumped together too.

The good news is that you have Berry-Trinity this week to help you with that decision next week!

[Wild Horse Rider]

My vote is in.  I feel that next week will be easier to get the top 7 closer to a consensus (order is debatable obviously).  Two undefeated teams clash in the SAA and what a weekend coming up in the PAC.  Three of the 4 games should have real implications on the final standings.  A relatively sleepy weekend in the USAC and the ODAC.

[BSCpanthers]

Mine are in as well, and agree it is getting easier to get them in an order that makes a little more sense. 

[jknezek]

Region 3 (South Atlantic-Ish) Fan Poll Week 5

Conferences: ODAC, PAC, SAA, USASAC

Rank			School			Points			Voter Breakdown
1			W&J			35			1 , 1 , 1 , 1 , 1
2			B-SC			26			3 , 3 , 3 , 2 , 3
3			Trinity (TX)			24			2 , 4 , 4 , 4 , 2
4			Westminster (PA)			21			4 , 2 , 6 , 3 , 4
5			Centre			15			6 , 5 , 2 , 7 , 5
6			W&L			9			7 , 6 , 5 , 5
7			R-MC			6			7 , 7 , 6 , 6

Also Receiving Votes:
Grove City (3) , Berry (1)

1 = 1st Place Vote, 7 = 7th Place Vote in Voter Breakdown

Special Thanks to the Voters: jknezek, Hawks88, BSCpanthers, Wild Horse Rider, ADL70

Games Involving 2 Poll Members:
Trinity hosts Centre this weekend in a big SAA showdown

[jknezek]

I do find it interesting that no one but me likes Grove City. Grove City has a 1 pt ROAD loss to Westminster that required Westminster to score in the last 90 seconds to win. Total Offense was within 50 yards of each other, and Grove had the better TOP. That game was a road toss up where home field advantage is usually worth a few points. If you are pairing W&L and R-MC, I'm not sure how you can't pair these two teams either. Especially if you have Westminster at 2,3,4 area how can Grove City not show up at all if Westminster is that good?

It's not like Grove City came from nowhere either. 9-2 in 2019, 8-3 in 2018. Sure 2-2 in the Spring of 2021, but I just can't care about the Spring Seasons for anyone.

[BSCpanthers]

If we were doing top 8, Grove Coty would have been in there, I had them just outside behind Randolph-Macon. 

I compared the records of teams played, and record of the teams they beat this past weekend.

Grove City      Randolph-Macon
1-4                             2-3   
0-5                             3-2
3-2                              2-3       
1-4                              3-1

And Randolph-Macon beat a team I had in the top 7 last week, a previously undefeated Ferrum.

It's was a tough call between the two, but this week it went to Randolph-Macon.

[jknezek]

If we were doing top 8, Grove Coty would have been in there, I had them just outside behind Randolph-Macon. 

I compared the records of teams played, and record of the teams they beat this past weekend.

Grove City      Randolph-Macon
1-4                             2-3   
0-5                             3-2
3-2                              2-3       
1-4                              3-1

And Randolph-Macon beat a team I had in the top 7 last week, a previously undefeated Ferrum.

It's was a tough call between the two, but this week it went to Randolph-Macon.

Interesting. I take the other view. You have to play your schedule. And schedules aren't equal. Catholic isn't a very good team, but given who they played, they are 3-2 despite being crushed by R-MC and soundly beaten by CNU. Carnegie Mellon is 3-2, but they lost to a pretty good currently undefeated Whitworth team (though facing Linfield this weekend that undefeated probably won't last) and a very close game against a pretty good Grove City. So going by records they look the same, but I'd make CMU a 3 td or more favorite over Catholic.

But if you play someone in the poll to a dead heat, and have no other blemishes, then I find it hard not to consider them about the same rank.

So for me, Grove City, until something else pops up like a surprise loss or a blowout to W&J, pairs with Westminster because on the field you could barely tell them apart. Now if Westminster is a 6 or 7, I can understand not having them the very next spot. A loss still matters. But it's hard for me to see a 2 or 3 for Westminster and Grove City nowhere around them despite the result on the field.

To be fair, I do put a huge amount of stock in what happens on the field. I prefer a h2h to anything else until it becomes a game of who beat who beat who and so on late in the season.

[BSCpanthers]

Both Grove City(Westminster 33-32) and Randolph-Macon(Washington & Lee 25-24) have one loss by one point, and since I ranked W&L ahead of Westminster, R-Macon takes the rank above GC.  Grove City has one win over a team with more then one win, and they only won that game by 7, and that was over a Carnegie Mellon team that doesn't have any good wins. 

Like I said, it was close for me, and I had to dig into their schedules, but just feel that R-Macon currently has the better wins to be ranked higher.  But that can always change in a week. 

[Wild Horse Rider]

For me I have been looking at it one conference at a time and then trying to put them all together.  The PAC I have W&J, Westminster, and Grove City in that order.  In the ODAC I have W&L and Randy Mac in that order.  In the USAC its likely Huntingdon or bust but until others suffer more losses they are not a top 7 team.  In the SAA I have it as Birmingham, Trinity, and Centre in that order.  So that really left me with 8 teams for the 7 spots.  I was torn with Centre, Grove City, and Randy Mac for 6, 7, and 8.  I'll be honest I may still be giving Randy Mac too much credit for what they were projected to be coming into the season and have then at 6.  But they also may have the best win of the three against Ferrum.  That left me an undefeated Centre team against a one loss Grove City and that was the difference. 

[ADL70]

After W&J I see 6-8 teams that if you put the names in a hat and drew names I wouldn't mind the order.

[BSCpanthers]

The SAA will help clear things up over the next 2 weeks, Centre plays at Trinity this weekend and host BSC next weekend.  So those three will have some sort of order to them.