FB: Region 3 fan poll

[rmc1982]

Who has Randolph-Macon played?

Nobody really. but we did beat the brakes off of Catholic last weekend in Ashland.....arent you a Catholic Alum? The early season "cupcake run" for us is not really our fault- the ODAC has an agreement with USA South for scheduling non conference games  for 2022-2023 and it has hurt us.  Hopefully after this season we may see an improvement with scheduling, at least we as alumni hope so!

[Pat Coleman]

Who has Randolph-Macon played?

Nobody really. but we did beat the brakes off of Catholic last weekend in Ashland.....arent you a Catholic Alum?

I've never said otherwise, and I've never said beating the pants off Catholic makes one better than Trinity, either -- at least not since the late 1990s.

[BSCpanthers]

I'll be submitting my poll for this week, I'm sure you are all waiting intently to see what happens this week.... 

[Cowboy2]

I'll be submitting my poll for this week, I'm sure you are all waiting intently to see what happens this week.... 

Wow! BSCpanther You get a round about shout out on this mornings podcast from Pat! About the 14th - 15min mark.

[BSCpanthers]

I'll be submitting my poll for this week, I'm sure you are all waiting intently to see what happens this week.... 

Wow! BSCpanther You get a round about shout out on this mornings podcast from Pat! About the 14th - 15min mark.

Oh my, going to have to check that out to see how much he cussed me for being stubborn. 

[Pat Coleman]

I'll be submitting my poll for this week, I'm sure you are all waiting intently to see what happens this week.... 

Wow! BSCpanther You get a round about shout out on this mornings podcast from Pat! About the 14th - 15min mark.

I only meant those comments in relationship to our Top 25 poll and Mary Hardin-Baylor, but I can see where in a more general term they could be applied here. But no, BSCpanthers, it was not aimed at you at all.

[BSCpanthers]

I'll be submitting my poll for this week, I'm sure you are all waiting intently to see what happens this week.... 

Wow! BSCpanther You get a round about shout out on this mornings podcast from Pat! About the 14th - 15min mark.

I only meant those comments in relationship to our Top 25 poll and Mary Hardin-Baylor, but I can see where in a more general term they could be applied here. But no, BSCpanthers, it was not aimed at you at all.

Just listened, yeah, I took it as top 25 poll, not regional poll. But for what it's worth, UMHB hasn't been in my poll since week 1.

[jknezek]

Lot of consensus out there. Only UMHB has any real disconnect, with 3 voters ranking them fairly high and 3 voters not ranking them at all.

I'll cop to dropping Trinity to 2 on my ballot. As I put in the SAA thread, they are very good. But what I saw at Birmingham Southern just didn't look like a team that was going to beat the best teams I've seen come from the ASC in recent years. When I've watched the best teams in the region, UMHB, Hardin-Simmons, Wesley years ago, they looked on another level of speed and size from what I'm used to seeing in D3. That was not what I felt looking at Trinity. Trinity looked like a very good conference champion, kind of like the better W&J/Hopkins/Huntingdon/Berry teams I've seen over the years. Very good, possible Elite 8 depending on playoff matchup good.

Maybe that is better than Hardin-Simmons this year. I'm not sure, but Hardin-Simmons beat UW-L on the road, who I suspect will be up toward the top of the WIAC again this year. So for now, I'll take the win over UW-L as better than the Trinity win over UMHB, and certainly over the loss to St. Johns, while still applauding Trinity with the 2 ranking for being very, very good. And I'll also admit that my eye test this past weekend is playing a very large role as well, which is why I didn't do that switch last week when the UW-L result happened.

Region 3 (South Atlantic-Ish) Fan Poll Week 2

Conferences: ASC, ODAC, SAA, USASAC

Rank			School			Points			Weekly Change			Voter Breakdown
1			Hardin-Simmons (3)			39			0			1 , 1 , 2 , 2 , 2 , 1
2			Trinity (TX) (3)			35			0			2 , 5 , 1 , 1 , 1 , 3
3			R-MC			28			0			4 , 4 , 3 , 4 , 3 , 2
4			Berry			24			0			3 , 2 , 4 , 5 , 5 , 5
5			Howard Payne			16			0			7 , 3 , 6 , 6 , 6 , 4
6			UMHB			12			0			5 , 3 , 4
7			Belhaven			9			-1			6 , 7 , 5 , 7 , 7 , 7

Also Receiving Votes:
Maryville (5)

Newly Ranked: None
Dropped Out: None

1 = 1st Place Vote, 7 = 7th Place Vote in Voter Breakdown
Special Thanks to the Voters: jknezek, BSCpanthers, Wild Horse Rider, Ralph Turner, Cowboy2, Hawks88

[Ralph Turner]

I look forward to the HSU--Endicott game on Fri night. We rarely (once in a lifetime?) see an ASC team play anyone from that part of the country. HSU is to be commended.
We have a pretty good idea of the strengths in Region 5 & 6, but Regions 1 & 2...

[jknezek]

I look forward to the HSU--Endicott game on Fri night. We rarely (once in a lifetime?) see an ASC team play anyone from that part of the country. HSU is to be commended.
We have a pretty good idea of the strengths in Region 5 & 6, but Regions 1 & 2...

I don't. Short of Hardin-Simmons plane landing moments before kickoff, or them switching to buses, I suspect this will be 48 pts or more.

[BSCpanthers]

Since you guys love to pick my poll apart, I'd love to hear the reason why last week UMHB got three 5th place votes, they lose and now get a 5, 3, and 4th place vote when no one above them lost.  Why move them up 2 spots after a loss??? 

[jknezek]

Since you guys love to pick my poll apart, I'd love to hear the reason why last week UMHB got three 5th place votes, they lose and now get a 5, 3, and 4th place vote when no one above them lost.  Why move them up 2 spots after a loss???

They lost by 3 pts to the #4 team in the country. Honestly, R-MC is not staying within 3 pts of what is usually a perennial top 5 team. Neither is Berry, HPU, Belhaven, Huntingdon.... over and over when the playoffs roll around the tiers of D3 are reinforced. That top tier of teams, the WIAC champ, NC lately, UMU, usually UMHB... they steamroll these other conference champions. Almost every single year. These teams are, generally, a different caliber, and anyone who watches a significant part of D3, and especially the playoffs, will easily see that.

So when teams hang with those top tiers, even in losses, it usually means that team is pretty darn good compared to the other 98% of D3. UMHB is 0-3, that is true. However, the losses are to teams 4, 6, and 7 in D3Football's Top 25 poll. And they have gotten closer with each loss, despite the team getting higher in the rankings in each game.

I still have UMHB at 5, I think that's where I had them last week, but I have no problem with them being 3, or moving up, based on the results, especially last week's. Results aren't just W/L to me, I have to account for the quality of the opponent as well.

[D3Navy]

Lot of consensus out there. Only UMHB has any real disconnect, with 3 voters ranking them fairly high and 3 voters not ranking them at all.

I'll cop to dropping Trinity to 2 on my ballot. As I put in the SAA thread, they are very good. But what I saw at Birmingham Southern just didn't look like a team that was going to beat the best teams I've seen come from the ASC in recent years. When I've watched the best teams in the region, UMHB, Hardin-Simmons, Wesley years ago, they looked on another level of speed and size from what I'm used to seeing in D3. That was not what I felt looking at Trinity. Trinity looked like a very good conference champion, kind of like the better W&J/Hopkins/Huntingdon/Berry teams I've seen over the years. Very good, possible Elite 8 depending on playoff matchup good.

Maybe that is better than Hardin-Simmons this year. I'm not sure, but Hardin-Simmons beat UW-L on the road, who I suspect will be up toward the top of the WIAC again this year. So for now, I'll take the win over UW-L as better than the Trinity win over UMHB, and certainly over the loss to St. Johns, while still applauding Trinity with the 2 ranking for being very, very good. And I'll also admit that my eye test this past weekend is playing a very large role as well, which is why I didn't do that switch last week when the UW-L result happened.

Region 3 (South Atlantic-Ish) Fan Poll Week 2

Conferences: ASC, ODAC, SAA, USASAC

Rank			School			Points			Weekly Change			Voter Breakdown
1			Hardin-Simmons (3)			39			0			1 , 1 , 2 , 2 , 2 , 1
2			Trinity (TX) (3)			35			0			2 , 5 , 1 , 1 , 1 , 3
3			R-MC			28			0			4 , 4 , 3 , 4 , 3 , 2
4			Berry			24			0			3 , 2 , 4 , 5 , 5 , 5
5			Howard Payne			16			0			7 , 3 , 6 , 6 , 6 , 4
6			UMHB			12			0			5 , 3 , 4
7			Belhaven			9			-1			6 , 7 , 5 , 7 , 7 , 7

Also Receiving Votes:
Maryville (5)

Newly Ranked: None
Dropped Out: None

1 = 1st Place Vote, 7 = 7th Place Vote in Voter Breakdown
Special Thanks to the Voters: jknezek, BSCpanthers, Wild Horse Rider, Ralph Turner, Cowboy2, Hawks88

Completely respect your votes but why would you alter your vote when TU is arguably stronger this year given the cadre of 5th year seniors and has outscored opponents 73-19 over the last two games (and surrendered just 3 points over the last six quarters) while HSU had a bye.  Given you are basing your vote on your perception of previous "best teams" in the ASC, do you think HSU in in the mold of those previous teams?  This same TU team shut down HSU in the playoffs last year.  I'm very curious to see how HSU fares the rest of the way.

[jknezek]

Completely respect your votes but why would you alter your vote when TU is arguably stronger this year given the cadre of 5th year seniors and has outscored opponents 73-19 over the last two games (and surrendered just 3 points over the last six quarters) while HSU had a bye.  Given you are basing your vote on your perception of previous "best teams" in the ASC, do you think HSU in in the mold of those previous teams?  This same TU team shut down HSU in the playoffs last year.  I'm very curious to see how HSU fares the rest of the way.

It was a 14-7 road loss for Hardin-Simmons. Not sure I'm considering that a "shut-down" win. It was a good one, but not really the kind of outcome that makes me think the teams were in different categories.

As for other factors, as I said, Trinity just didn't look like world beaters. They crushed what looked like a very average B-SC team. Did what they were supposed to, and that is a good thing.

So that sent me back to looking at results. In the end, Trinity lost, on the road, to a very good team. Hardin-Simmons won, at home to a very good team. I suspect, by season's end, Trinity's win over UMHB will look better, and I think it improved this weekend, but I'm not sure how good it was last week when UMHB couldn't get out of their own way for the second week in a row. Granted against two very good opponents.

Soon we will have a common opponent to measure by, so that will certainly help. But at the moment, Trinity just didn't crush my eye test and that had me weighing results again.

In the end I dropped them from 1 to 2. And I'm certainly not married to that decision for any longer than this week.

[BSCpanthers]

RMC has out scores their opponents 161-33, I don't care who you're playing, that's dominance every week. Still, three games is a small sample size, but no reason to drop them when knocking the teeth out of their opponents.