FB: Region 3 fan poll

[SU Backer]

 Hey Bob....my post is regarding SU's lack of love in the South Region fan poll, and it is about this poll alone-not the playoffs....teams that are unranked or ranked below SU are in the playoffs, I'm not sure that getting in the tournament necessarily should move a team one way or another in this fan poll ...my comments and reasons stated were regarding the lack of love in this poll for my Gulls...period.

[CNU85]

I know that Salisbury is thought of much higher by the voters on the "big board" poll! Beat CNU head to head handily, destroyed a Geneva team that beat TMC....they are the #1 rushing team in the country. OK, I feel better now lol.

For fun, I made my picks before Pat put out the d3football projection. I got 30 out of 32 and really struggled with the last 2 Pool C positions. My final prediction had SU in the playoffs. Too bad my opinion doesn't amount to anything. But, I felt you guys deserved to be in.

[Ralph Turner]

I know that Salisbury is thought of much higher by the voters on the "big board" poll! Beat CNU head to head handily, destroyed a Geneva team that beat TMC....they are the #1 rushing team in the country. OK, I feel better now lol.

For fun, I made my picks before Pat put out the d3football projection. I got 30 out of 32 and really struggled with the last 2 Pool C positions. My final prediction had SU in the playoffs. Too bad my opinion doesn't amount to anything. But, I felt you guys deserved to be in.

I had Montclair State and Cal Lutheran as my last 2 Pool C bids.

I know of no one who picked Curry and Wheaton!

[CNU85]

I didn't have Curry or Wheaton either. Instead I had Montclair and Salisbury

[PA_wesleyfan]

Ralph

In you perfect world what would be a good number for a conference 8 or 9 teams?
Would two non-conference games be enough to determain strenght of conference by outside competiton? 

[Ralph Turner]

Ralph

In you perfect world what would be a good number for a conference 8 or 9 teams?
Would two non-conference games be enough to determine strength of conference by outside competition? 

I think that the UAA has the perfect situation in basketball.  They are dispersed across the country so they can cherry-pick the best candidates to boost their OWP/OOWP.

In football, I think that the 8-team CCIW has the best arrangement.  They can play all of the North Region teams as well as all of the teams in Administrative Region #4.  They are the strongest conference in that part of the country.  (WIAC is in the West Region.)  The 9-team Centennial Conference is in the South Region but gets to play all of the schools in NY and PA to boost the OWP.  Besides, 200 miles up there gets a bunch of other schools.

I think that a 7-team conference with about 25 in-region teams close by gives the best chance to build a good OWP/OOWP.


We need 10 teams just to get enough games!   

Thanks for asking! 

[Ron Boerger]

Nope has no bearing on anything really ,except one mans biased opinion...

And of course, there's no possibility that your opinion too might be biased, "wesleyfan", is there?   

[Bob.Gregg]

Not sure how W&J got a home game out of this.

Well, SaintsFan, TMC might have gotten one instead had the Saints not lost to Geneva, and to John Carroll.

W&J was regionally ranked ahead of Thomas More, and Wesley, and CNU, and Randolph-Macon, and LaGrange, all of whom got in the playoffs.  TMC got moved to the North.  LaGrange goes to the #1.  Because of the flight restrictions of the AA, #2 & #3 play this week, meaning that #4 (Muhlenberg) and #5 W&J would host.

Perhaps the Geneva game really did mean something...

[PA_wesleyfan]

Ron

All you have to do is look at the pool week after week over the last few years to see my point...

[Ralph Turner]

The more interesting question, at least in my mind, Ralph, is does UMHB get considered for a Pool C if they lose to HSU (or whomever the eventual conference champ happens to be)?

My prediction on September 16th...

If UMHB loses to HSU in the conference, I believe that HSU will be the #1 seed in the region.  (If HSU goes 10-0, then they will be no worse than the #2 seed.

Right now, my bracket for the south (Projected in-region records are listed) is:


#1 Muhlenburg (CC)  10-0   #4 Seed, 9-1, hosting Wesley
#2 UMHB (ASC) 8-0      #2 Seed 8-0, hosting HSU
#3 Trinity (SCAC) 9-0             Lost to Millsaps and Centre
#4 W&J  (PresAC) 8-0        Pool C, 7-1, #5 Seed, hosting CNU
#5 Salisbury 6-0 (Predicting a win over Wesley)  Pool B  4-2, Lost to Wesley and Del Valley.  Plays Moravian in ECAC
#6 Wash StL 6-0 (How they do in the NCAC games is a real question.  Not well)  Pool B 3-3, CWRU won the UAA and earned a Pool B
#7 HSU 9-1  Pool C #3 Seed, playing at #2 UMHB
#8 CNU (USASouth)  7-1  #6 Seed, playing at #5 W&J

#9 Millsaps  7-1    8-0 #1 Seed hosting #8 LaGrange which beat Huntingdon
#10 HSC (ODAC) 8-1  7-2 Lost to RMC
#11 Wesley 3-2  Pool B  4-1 Pool B #7 seed playing at #4 Muhlenberg
#12 Huntingdon 9-1 (Waiting to see if the committee actually rates a 9-1 Huntingdon over a 3-2 Wesley, if we ever know). 7-2 Pool B

and two get shipped out, which were Randolph-Macon (ODAC Pool A) and TMC (PresAC Pool A).

Pool A bids are in bold.  HSU and then Millsaps will be the first two Pool C bids on the board.

(Records are in-region.)

[Ralph Turner]

Building the year-in-review South Region Fan Poll...

Under construction -- Rankings are listed for the Pre-season and weekly polls until the final poll in week 16.  (Teams are listed by the ranking in the Week #11 Poll.)

Team..........................	P...	1....	2....	3....	4....	5....	6....	7....	8....	9....	10...	11...	16...
1)  Millsaps	7	4	3	4	4	2	3	3	3	1	1	1	*
2)  UMHB	2	2	1	1	1	1	1	1	2	3	3	2	*
3)  HSU	8	7	5	5	5	5	5	5	5	5	5	3	*
4)  Wesley	1	1	4	3	3	4	4	4	4	4	4	4	*
5)  Muhlenberg	3T	3	2	2	2	3	2	2	1	2	2	5	*
6)  CNU	RV	-	10	-	-	10T	10	10	9	6	6	6	*
7)  W&J	5	6	7	7	6	6	6	6	6	RV	9	7	*
8 ) LaGrange	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	RV	10	8	*
9)  Thomas More	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	7	RV	9	*
10T) DePauw	-	-	-	RV	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	10T	*
10T) Randolph-Macon	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	10T	*

Teams which have received votes...in alphabetical order.

Team..........................	P...	1....	2....	3....	4....	5....	6....	7....	8....	9....	10...	11...	16...
Catholic	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	RV	7	-	*
ETBU	-	-	-	-	-	10T	-	-	-	-	-	-	*
Ferrum	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	RV	-	-	*
Hampden-Sydney	10	10	9	9	9	9	9	9	-	-	-	RV	*
Huntingdon	-	-	-	-	-	-	RV	RV	RV	10	8	-	*
Mississippi Coll	9	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	*
Moravian	RV	RV	RV	RV	10T	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	*
NCWC	RV	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	*
Salisbury	3T	5	6	6	8	8	8	8	6	10	8	RV	*
Trinity	6	8	8	8	7	7	7	7	8	9	-	-	*
Washington U StL	-	-	RV	10	10T	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	*
Waynesburg	RV	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	*

[Ralph Turner]

Week #11 South Region Fan Poll

Team.........................	Points	Votes.........	Outcome in the post-season
1.  Millsaps (5)	50	1,1,1,1,1	Beat #8 seed LaGrange 51-26; lost to #5 seed W&J 20-35
2.  UMHB	45	2,2,2,2,2	Beat #3 seed HSU 38-35; beat #4 seed Wesley 46-14, beat #5 seed W&J 63-7
3.  HSU	39	3,3,3,3,4	Lost at #2 seed UMHB 38-35
4.  Wesley	33	3,4,4,4,7	Won at #4 seed Muhlenberg 20-0; lost at #2 seed UMHB 14-46
5.  Muhlenberg	31	4,5,5,5,5	Lost to #7 seed Wesley 0-20
6.  CNU	24	6,6,6,6,7	Lost at #5 seed W&J 29-35
7.  W&J	23	5,6,7,7,7	Beat #6 seed CNU 35-29; beat #1 seed Millsaps 35-20; lost to #2 seed UMHB 7-63
8.  LaGrange	13	8,8,8,9,9	Lost at #1 seed Millsaps 26-51
9.  Thomas More	7	8,9,9,-,-	Lost at #1 seed North Central 23-44
10T. Randolph-Macon	4	8,10,-,-,-	Lost at #1 seed MUC 0-56
10T.  DePauw	4	9,10,10,-,-	Season over
RV  Salisbury	2	10,10,-,-,-	Won at Moravian (ECAC) 21-17

Other post-season games involving South Region teams...
Catholic 18,  at JHU 17 (ECAC)

Corrections appreciated...  Thanks to Josh Bowerman, Wes Anderson, Hasanova and Llamaguy for their assistance.  Final poll after the playoffs.

[Ralph Turner]

Final South Region Fan Poll

Team (1st Place Votes)....	Record.....	Points.....	Votes............	Last Game
1)  UMHB  (5)	12-1	50	1,1,1,1,1	Playoffs
2)  HSU	9-2	43	2,2,2,2,4	Lost at UMHB 35-38, 1st round NCAA
3)  Wesley	9-2	39	3,3,3,3,4	Lost at UMHB 16-46, 2nd round NCAA
4)  W&J	11-2	35	3,4,4,4,5	Lost at UMHB 7-63, Qtrfinals NCAA
5)  Millsaps	11-1	32	2,5,5,5,6	Lost to W&J 20-35, 2nd round NCAA
6)  CNU	8-2	28	5,6,6,7,8	Lost at W&J 29-35, 1st round NCAA
7)  Muhlenberg	9-2	20	6,7,7,7,8	Lost to Wesley 0-20, 1st round NCAA
8 ) Salisbury	9-2	14	6,7,8,9,-	Won at Moravian 21-17, ECAC
T9) LaGrange	9-2	7	8,9,10,10,-	Lost at Millsaps 26-51, 1st round NCAA
T9  Thomas More	8-3	7	8,9,10,10,-	Lost at North Central 23-44, 1st round NCAA
RV)  DePauw	8-2	3	9,10,-,-,-	Won at Wabash 36-14, Game #10 regular season
RV)  Catholic	9-2	2	9,-,-,-,-	Won at Johns Hopkins 18-17, ECAC

Thanks to Wes Anderson, Josh Bowerman, hasanova and Llamaguy for their assistance.  (They were prompt in returning their ballots each week, and we received acknowledgment from the East Region Fan Poll administrator for how quickly our guys got their ballots in.)

[DPU3619]

Guess I missed the memo on knocking the Majors down a peg or 4.      Tough for me do that because of one result in the second round, particularly after their early season successes against DePauw, Trinity, and Miss Coll.  Everybody elevated Hardin-Simmons for a first round loss because of who their opponent was in that game and what that opponent as gone on to do, I presume.  In hindsight, I think I should have voted Hardin-Simmons higher, as well. 

I guess I just don't know.  Probably a pretty poor effort from me.

[Ralph Turner]

Guess I missed the memo on knocking the Majors down a peg or 4.      Tough for me do that because of one result in the second round, particularly after their early season successes against DePauw, Trinity, and Miss Coll.  Everybody elevated Hardin-Simmons for a first round loss because of who their opponent was in that game and what that opponent as gone on to do, I presume.  In hindsight, I think I should have voted Hardin-Simmons higher, as well. 

I guess I just don't know.  Probably a pretty poor effort from me.

Those are good points.  Millsaps was in that game until the last couple of minutes.

I like the way that our voters considered Salisbury and DePauw.