FB: Region 3 fan poll

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HSC85

Thanks for the discussion guys.  All of the posts make good points.  The good thing about the season is that each team gets a chance to sink or swim on their own merits.  And the great thing about D3 is that this division gets to crown a champion based on performance on the field. 

One point of clarification, CNU would have been a playoff team last year regardless of the Wesley game because they won the USA South with a 7-0 record. 

PA_wesleyfan

Wow

Lots happening early today.... And still  a few games later . Could be a big shift in the poll this week
Football !!! The ultimate team sport. Anyone who plays DIII football is a winner...

Ralph Turner

#242
Week #1 South Region Fan Poll

RankTeamPointsVotesSaturday 9/12
1UMHB501,1,1,1,1at Southern Nazarene
2HSU432,2,2,3,3at Linfield
3Wesley422,2,3,3,3at North Greenville
4W&J344,4,4,4,5at Frostburg St
5Salisbury274,5,6,6,7Lost to NCWC 17-24
6DePauw265,5,5,6,8Anderson
7Miss Coll166,7,8,9,9vs. U Cumberlands KY
8Trinity127,7,9,10,10at TLU
9CNU86,8,*,*,*Open date
10Hampden-Sydney68,9,10,*,*Beat Gettysburg 46-43 OT
******
RVMillsaps47,*,*,*,*Plays Belahven
RVBridgewater48,10,*,*,*at Shenandoah
RVDickinson29,*,*,*,*Beat Hobart 26-3
RVThomas More110,*,*,*,*Open Date



Ralph Turner

I will post the poll this pm.

Fifteen teams received votes.

Ralph Turner

#244
Week #2 South Region Fan Poll


Rank/Team..............RecordVotesBallots.........Next Foe
1 UMHB1-0501,1,1,1,1at Texas Lutheran
2 Wesley2-0452,2,2,2,2at Del Valley
3 W&J2-0403,3,3,3,3Thiel
4 Depauw1-0334,4,4,5,5Centre
5 HSU1-1294,4,5,6,7Louisiana Coll
6 Dickinson2-0145,5,9,x,xat F&M
7 Hampden-Sydney2-0137,7,8,9,xat Sewanee
8 Trinity TX2-0126,6,9,x,xat Rhodes
9T Bridgewater2-096,8,10,x,xat Ferrum
9T CNU0-196,7,x,x,xSalisbury
*****
RV Salisbury1-178,8,10,x,xat CNU
RV Huntingdon2-058,9,x,x,xUW-Oshkosh
RV Mississippi Coll1-157,10,x,x,xat McMurry
RV Millsaps1-129,x,x,x,xat Austin Coll
RV Thomas More2-0210,10,x,x,xWaynesburg

Waynesburg is on one voter's watch list.  Waynesburg plays at TMC.



Corrections appreciated... :)

DPU3619

Really wasn't too pleased with the bottom of my ballot this week.  Put teams 8-10 about 9 times before I settled.  I'm THAT GUY that still doesn't have Hampden-Sydney in.  The way I reckon, somebody's going to lose that CNU/Salibury game and I'll put HSC in their place.

Ralph Turner

Quote from: Wes Anderson on September 15, 2009, 12:21:05 AM
Really wasn't too pleased with the bottom of my ballot this week.  Put teams 8-10 about 9 times before I settled.  I'm THAT GUY that still doesn't have Hampden-Sydney in.  The way I reckon, somebody's going to lose that CNU/Salibury game and I'll put HSC in their place.
I have my outliers, too.

HSU has QB Feaster and RB Zavious Robbins in the injured list.

Which is the best team in the USA South?  CNU?  NCWC?

How good is the ODAC this year? 

I listened to Dickinson beat Hobart last weekend.  They are my favorite to earn the CC's AQ.  That ought to be good for a slot in the Top 10.

Did we sort out the Millsaps/MissColl mess?

Trinity has struggled against ASC bottom division teams, McMurry and TLU.

Salisbury has a must-win game on its hands.  (I think that there will only be 3 Pool B bids this year.)

Huntingdon's game against UW-O is non-region.

TMore and Waynesburg play this week.

There are lots of questions in that poll!

HSC85

Mr. Anderson,

I appreciate your honesty about the struggles that you have with teams 8-10.  It is still early in the season and after more games things will be easier to sort out.  My only question is how do you consider the fact that HSC has beaten NCW 55-23 and NCW beats Salisbury loses to NCW?  There are not many areas of common opponents this early in the season but when you have one and ignore it that is really hard to understand.  Thank you for participating in the poll.   It gives us something to discuss between Saturdays.  I am just trying to understand some of  the logic in the poll.  It seems that some teams are penalized much more for a loss than others in this poll.

DPU3619

#248
Honestly, because I don't believe the transitive property applies to the game of football.  If Team A beats Team B on Day X, then Team B beats Team C on Day Y, in my mind, that doesn't necessarily mean that Team A beats Team C on Day Z.  There are a lot of other factors involved. 

EDIT: Not to say that I ignore that completely, but I'm not changing my opinion on Salisbury because of the HSC/NCW result.  The loss to NCW is just that, a loss to NCW.

Yes, HSC beat NCW, and did so pretty soundly to boot.  But, look at that result compared with the NCW/Salisbury result.  What that tells me is that either A) NCW was flatter than flat when they played Hampden-Sydney, or B) we're all wrong and HSC is light years ahead of any other team in the Northern part of this region exluding Wesley.  Maybe it is B, but I'm not sold on that yet.  Because I'm not sold on that, they aren't in my poll right now.

I understand you're a HSC fan, and you just want to see your team promoted around these parts, but to me, beating a team that beat somebody else and beating a team that is 16-15 the last three years team in overtime on your home field doesn't get you IN the poll if you're not in.  Here's the thing, flat out - right now, I still think Bridgewater is going win the ODAC.  If they lose to HSC on 10/3, then I've been wrong all along and I'll be willing to accept that and put them in the poll.  I also still think Salisbury is a better team than HSC regardless of the common opponent.  If Salisbury loses to CNU this Saturday, I probably won't think that anymore.  I already said HSC going in my poll next week as it is.

golden_dome

Couple questions on DePauw and Trinity this year.

Not questioning whether DePauw should be that high or not because honestly I just don't know that much about them, but what is different this year that puts them in elite status in the South? I noticed they have never beaten Trinity (0-9) and are 0-3 against Millsaps since Mike Dubose took over with the average score about 40-12.

Also, Trinity seems to be down. They've eeked out two wins against ASC teams who combined to go 4-16 a year ago.

Until somebody beats them, I have to think that Millsaps is the team to beat in the SCAC again.

HSC85

Thank you for your response.  I really don't think HSC is one of the top 10 teams in the South Region.  I would not put them in a top 10 poll. They have much more to prove before they earn any recognition.  The result last week really raised some questions about how consistent they will play from week to week.  I was just questioning how other teams that have lost are treated.  It seems that "some" teams lose and it does not affect their standing much and other teams lose and they drop off the face of the earth.  Some of the regard comes from pre-season position and I understand that.  I just think that pre-season polls and rankings are nice but once the season starts we only have the results from the games played not what we "think" a team should or should not do.  I was more surprised that Salisbury is still getting votes and NCW is not getting any votes after they just beat them last Saturday.  By the way, I am not worried about who is ranked higher between HSC and Salisbury because they play on November 7.  The great thing about Division III football is that every team has a chance to take care of their own business on the field.   As I said in my previous post, thank you for participating in this poll.  

Jeremybozz

Quote from: HSC85 on September 15, 2009, 12:04:42 PM
Thank you for your response.  I really don't think HSC is one of the top 10 teams in the South Region.  I would not put them in a top 10 poll. They have much more to prove before they earn any recognition.  The result last week really raised some questions about how consistent they will play from week to week.  I was just questioning how other teams that have lost are treated.  It seems that "some" teams lose and it does not affect their standing much and other teams lose and they drop off the face of the earth.  Some of the regard comes from pre-season position and I understand that.  I just think that pre-season polls and rankings are nice but once the season starts we only have the results from the games played not what we "think" a team should or should not do.  I was more surprised that Salisbury is still getting votes and NCW is not getting any votes after they just beat them last Saturday.  By the way, I am not worried about who is ranked higher between HSC and Salisbury because they play on November 7.  The great thing about Division III football is that every team has a chance to take care of their own business on the field.   As I said in my previous post, thank you for participating in this poll.  

Indeed. I realize HSC is coming off an OT win but the win over NC Wesleyan is much more impressive now. I don't see how Hampden Sydney stayed at 11 voting points in the D3Football.com Top 25 poll.
We won't know if Bridgewater is truly back until after the next 2 games with Ferrum and Lycoming, although the Lycoming loss to Rowan at home hurt them a bit.

DPU3619

I'll answer you about DePauw, Chris.  I like that offensive system a lot.  Spud Dick is the most prolific passer in school history and just might have the best set of recievers in the South region.  I don't know if Alex Koors is the best reciever in the region, but from 1-4 + TE, I think DePauw is deeper than anybody. 

Plus, I think a lot of people are drinking the Kool-Aid after what DePauw did to the #3 team in the country in the Monon Bell game last year.  That was a complete dismantling of one of the best defenses in the country, and they made the nation's 3rd most efficient passer look completely lost.  This week they took care of Anderson the way they were supposed to, and set a heap of school records in the process. 

We may know more after they play Centre this week.  We may not.  We may not figure anything out Millsaps comes in on 10/3.  They haven't had a lot of success against Millsaps, but I think a lot of that was due to Juan Joseph more than anything.  Also, 2 out of the last 3 years DPU has played that game without the #1 RB on their depth chart.  That's not an excuse, but it certainly doesn't help anything, either.

golden_dome

Quote from: Wes Anderson on September 15, 2009, 01:18:56 PM
I'll answer you about DePauw, Chris.  I like that offensive system a lot.  Spud Dick is the most prolific passer in school history and just might have the best set of recievers in the South region.  I don't know if Alex Koors is the best reciever in the region, but from 1-4 + TE, I think DePauw is deeper than anybody. 

Plus, I think a lot of people are drinking the Kool-Aid after what DePauw did to the #3 team in the country in the Monon Bell game last year.  That was a complete dismantling of one of the best defenses in the country, and they made the nation's 3rd most efficient passer look completely lost.  This week they took care of Anderson the way they were supposed to, and set a heap of school records in the process. 

We may know more after they play Centre this week.  We may not.  We may not figure anything out Millsaps comes in on 10/3.  They haven't had a lot of success against Millsaps, but I think a lot of that was due to Juan Joseph more than anything.  Also, 2 out of the last 3 years DPU has played that game without the #1 RB on their depth chart.  That's not an excuse, but it certainly doesn't help anything, either.

Thanks for the info. That explains a lot, I've just been a bit surprised to see so many people put them over Trinity and Millsaps considering how little success they've had the last few years. Maybe this is their year.

I think Millsaps is still very good from what I saw, but there's no question they miss Juan Joseph. I know we had a hard time just getting him on the ground. The new quarterbacks throw the ball well, but they aren't mobile and don't have the awareness that Joseph had.

Ralph Turner

#254
Week #3 Fan Poll



Team....................VotesRecordBallotsNext foe
1) UMHB502-01,1,1,1,1McMurry
2) Wesley453-02,2,2,2,2at LaGrange
3) W&J403-03,3,3,3,3at Grove City
4) HSC283-04,4,5,7,7at Guilford
5)  Dickinson203-04,5,7,8,xMcDaniel
6)  Trinity193-04,5,6,10,xat Millsaps
7)   Mississippi Coll.172-15,6,7,9,xHardin-Simmons
8 )  CNU151-15,6,9,9,xat Wilkes
9)   TMC123-06,8,8,10,xat Westminster PA
10)  La Coll72-04,x,x,x,xat Huntingdon
*****
RV)  DPU51-18,10,10,x,xat Sewanee
RV)  Millsaps52-16,x,x,x,xTrinity
RV)  Centre43-07,x,x,x,xAustin
RV)  E&H33-09,10,x,x,xat Methodist
RV)  Huntingdon32-18,x,x,x,xWesley
RV)  HSU22-19,x,x,x,xat Miss Coll



Corrections appreciated