FB: Region 3 fan poll

[HSC85]

How much shake-up will there be in the poll?

[PA_wesleyfan]

 There certainly will be some movement. The question is how far does UMHB fall and how high does Miss College go?
  I think this loss for UMHB does not bode well for other southern teams come playoff time. If Welsey and Huntingdon take pool B bids how many pool C's can the south get? 

[Ralph Turner]

There certainly will be some movement. The question is how far does UMHB fall and how high does Miss College go?
  I think this loss for UMHB does not bode well for other southern teams come playoff time. If Welsey and Huntingdon take pool B bids how many pool C's can the south get? 

Pool C bids are not restricted by region...only 6 Pool C bids will be awarded.

[PA_wesleyfan]

There certainly will be some movement. The question is how far does UMHB fall and how high does Miss College go?
  I think this loss for UMHB does not bode well for other southern teams come playoff time. If Welsey and Huntingdon take pool B bids how many pool C's can the south get? 

Pool C bids are not restricted by region...only 6 Pool C bids will be awarded.

I understand that Ralph. Do you think the south can get more than 2 C's? With 6 automatic bids and most likely 2 b's, 3 c's would put three teams in other regions.

[DPU3619]

I think there's probably only 2 deserving C's in the South where we stand right now. 

Probably UMHB and a 2nd place one loss SCAC team if it shakes out that way.  E&H and JHU both took themselves out with a loss today.  Maybe the W&J/Thomas More loser, I guess.  My feeling is that W&J wins that game and then Thomas More is in trouble with a roadtrip to Mount St Joseph to end their season.  MSJ is either going to be 9-0 or 8-1 depending on this Saturday's Franklin result.

[HSC85]

UMHB losing is similar to UWW not getting the AQ last year.  They are immediately the strongest pool C in a region.  Does anyone think that the strength of schedule for UMHB is a concern in consideration?

[Ralph Turner]

UMHB losing is similar to UWW not getting the AQ last year.  They are immediately the strongest pool C in a region.  Does anyone think that the strength of schedule for UMHB is a concern in consideration?

UMHB's strength of schedule does not match the criteria that the Handbook outlines.

http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/champ_handbooks/football/2009/09_3_football.pdf

IMHO, they get very little help there.

[SaintsFAN]

FYI - Thomas More and W&J match up very well with one another.. You are talking like they've already lost to W&J and Mount St Joe..

Thomas More won't lose to MSJ.  Who knows what happens at W&J in two weeks, but if their season comes down the Bridge Bowl, you'll see them make the playoffs as a Pool C team. 

Ironically, the defending PAC Champs are rated below the Presidents on every poll based on past years dominance of a league which was very weak, outside of W&J. 

Glad they get a chance to play this out on the field..

[PA_wesleyfan]

SaintsFAN

I don't think anything can be assumed at this point. There are  a number of head to head match-ups that will detemine A bids. 

[SaintsFAN]

PA-

You're right.. And Thomas More is very excited for the stretch run.  They have to earn respect on the field and luckily they've set themselves up for the end of the season to matter.  The Bridge Bowl will just be icing on the cake.

[DPU3619]

FYI - Thomas More and W&J match up very well with one another.. You are talking like they've already lost to W&J and Mount St Joe..

You see, that's why I led that sentence with the phrase my feeling.  See how that works?  I provided an opinion for the approval of the group.  Your attempt to set me straight is certainly appreciated, however.

[Ralph Turner]

Team.........................	Points	Votes
1) Wesley	50	1,1,1,1,1
2) Miss Coll	42	2,2,3,3,3
3) W&J	41	2,2,2,4,4
4) UMHB	36	3,3,4,4,5
5) HSC	29	4,5,5,5,7
6) Thomas More	26	5,6,6,6,6
7) Centre	19	7,7,7,7,8
8 ) DePauw	14	8,8,8,8,9
9)  Huntingdon	11	6,9,9,10,10
10) Dickinson	4	9,9,10
*	*	*
RV) Johns Hopkins	2	9,x,x,x,x
RV) NCWC	1	10,x,x,x,x

[HSC85]

Thank you voters for placing Mississippi College above UMHB. 

It drives me crazy to look at the D III top 25 and see UMHB ranked above MC and Wabash above Wittenburg.  There is always talk about head to head results.  Well we have those results in two cases and the D III poll did not appear to take them into account. 

[Ralph Turner]

One thing that may not be readily discernible is what the voters think would happen if UMHB and Miss College played 10 games on a neutral field.

We ASC fans are very aware of the marked variation of home field advantages, vis-a-vis the various pairings that occur in the ASC.

UMHB to Miss College is more than 500 miles.


EDIT:  UMHB to Miss College is under 500 miles.  Pat Coleman found the TES calcuator, and it is 480 miles.

[crufootball]

Definitely got to give credit to MC for creating that homefield advantage, according to the stats there were more people at that game than at the Backyard Brawl.

However in both of the big upsets, you have to wonder if anything would be different if Quincy Daniels for UMHB or Matt Hudson for Wabash were playing in the game?