FB: Region 3 fan poll

[Ralph Turner]

South Region Fan Poll -- Pre-season 2014

Team	Record	Points	Votes
1)   UMHB	0-0	49	1,1,1,1,2
2)   Wesley	0-0	46	1,2,2,2,2
3)   JHU	0-0	38	3,3,3,4,4
4)   H-SC	0-0	34	3,3,4,5,6
5)   Thomas More	0-0	31	4,4,4,4,5
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6)   Millsaps	0-0	19	6,6,6,9,9
7)   Wash & Jeff	0-0	15	6,7,8,8,x
8)   Louisiana Coll	0-0	14	4,7,8,x,x
9)   Muhlenberg	0-0	11	8,8,9,9,10
10)   Methodist	0-0	8	7,7,x,x,x
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RV   Maryville TN	0-0	4	7,x,x,x,x
RV  Trinity TX	0-0	4	9,10,10,x,x
RV  Texas Lutheran	0-0	1	10,x,x,x,x
RV   Wash U StL	0-0	1	10,x,x,x,x
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Thanks to Toby Taff and PA_wesleyfan for their participation last season. Their scheduling conflicts have prompted them to step down this season.  New pollsters for the 2014 season, hasanova and wesleydad, join jknezek, roocru and myself.

[PA_wesleyfan]

Ralph

Thank you for inviting me to participate in the poll a few years back. I enjoyed the interacting with the pollsters and the fans as well. I learned a lot about the teams in the south as well as the rest of the country.

To the new pollsters

Enjoy yourselves. Sometimes your intuitions work out and sometimes they don't. But in the end the better teams always rise and make it a bit easier to put them ion their deserving spots

Good luck to you all and to your home teams !!!
 

[Ralph Turner]

South Region Fan Poll -- Week #1

Team	Record	Points	Votes
1)   UMHB	1-0	49	1,1,1,1,2
2)   Wesley	1-0	46	1,2,2,2,2
3)   JHU	1-0	40	3,3,3,3,3
4)    Thomas More	0-1	27	4,5,5,6,8
5)    H-SC	0-1	24	4,4,5,8,10
.	.	.	.	.
6T)   Wash & Jeff	1-0	22	5,6,6,7,9
6T)   Louisiana Coll	1-0	22	4,5,7,8,9
8)   Muhlenberg	1-0	20	6,7,7,7,8
9)   Methodist	1-0	13	4,6,10,x,x
10T)   Maryville TN	1-0	3	8,x,x,x,x
10T)  Texas Lutheran	1-0	3	9,10,x,x,x
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RV  LaGrange	1-0	2	9,x,x,x,x
RV  Guilford	1-0	2	9,x,x,x,x
RV   Centre	1-0	1	10,x,x,x,x
RV)  Rhodes	1-0	1	10,x,x,x,x
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Corrections are appreciated!

[wesleydad]

can say I am baffled by this poll.  not sure how 2 teams that got beat rather handily are still that high, but that is why it is open to interpretation.

[Pat Coleman]

All Thomas More proved is it is not better than Wesley. And it's ranked behind Wesley so that isn't in conflict.

[roocru]

South Region Fan Poll -- Week #1

Team	Record	Points	Votes
1)   UMHB	1-0	49	1,1,1,1,2
2)   Wesley	1-0	46	1,2,2,2,2
3)   JHU	1-0	40	3,3,3,3,3
4)    Thomas More	0-1	27	4,5,5,6,8
5)    H-SC	0-1	24	4,4,5,8,10
.	.	.	.	.
6T)   Wash & Jeff	1-0	22	5,6,6,7,9
6T)   Louisiana Coll	1-0	22	4,5,7,8,9
8)   Muhlenberg	1-0	20	6,7,7,7,8
9)   Methodist	1-0	13	4,6,10,x,x
10T)   Maryville TN	1-0	3	8,x,x,x,x
10T)  Texas Lutheran	1-0	3	9,10,x,x,x
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RV  LaGrange	1-0	2	9,x,x,x,x
RV  Guilford	1-0	2	9,x,x,x,x
RV   Centre	1-0	1	10,x,x,x,x
RV)  Rhodes	1-0	1	10,x,x,x,x
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Corrections are appreciated!

I think LaGrange should have two points instead of four.


Thanks to roocru and hasanova.  I did not make my first error until the first weekend!   

[jknezek]

can say I am baffled by this poll.  not sure how 2 teams that got beat rather handily are still that high, but that is why it is open to interpretation.

Losing when you are expected to lose isn't a reason to drop. Now if the margin was unacceptable that could cause a drop. To be honest TMC did what I expected them to do at Wesley so why punish them?  HSC was mildly worse than expected but not sure anyone behind them in the poll would have done better at Wabash. More interested in LC who won a home squeaker against a lightly regarded team. That was a significantly worse result than expected but they didn't really move. With their schedule that win didn't do much to convince me they can stick in the poll.

[ExTartanPlayer]

All Thomas More proved is it is not better than Wesley. And it's ranked behind Wesley so that isn't in conflict.

Yup.

Polls aren't standings. Quality of results matters, not just W's and L's. Fairly competitive 2-TD losses to a pair of highly regarded opponents can be interpreted as better results than mediocre wins (especially after just one game). If a voter thought TMC was 4th entering the season, I don't see how a close-ish loss to the #2 team in this poll would merit dropping them unless someone else had notched a truly impressive result. I guess W & J blowing out Wooster might prove to be a good win if Wooster is the 2nd or 3rd best NCAC team as predicted, but we don't know that yet (and their vulnerability to the deep pass is something TMC and Wesley both have the dudes to exploit). If those teams don't deserve their ranking, we will know soon enough, but I'm not a fan of crushing a team in the polls for a loss to another ranked team unless the margin was way out of whack.

[hasanova]

All Thomas More proved is it is not better than Wesley. And it's ranked behind Wesley so that isn't in conflict.

Agree.  Both TMC and HSC were expected to lose and they weren't blown out by higher ranked teams.  Another question would be "do you expect TMC and HSC to normally beat the teams ranked 6-10 in the South Region Poll?"  For me, the answer would be yes.

[Ralph Turner]

How they fared...
South Region Fan Poll -- Week #1

Team	Record	Points	Votes
1)   UMHB	2-0	49	1,1,1,1,2	Beat Redlands 36-0
2)   Wesley	2-0	46	1,2,2,2,2	Beat Salisbury 43-5
3)   JHU	2-0	40	3,3,3,3,3	Beat Susquehanna 27-20
4)    Thomas More	1-1	27	4,5,5,6,8	Beat Hanover 45-16
5)    H-SC	1-1	24	4,4,5,8,10	Beat CNU 35-30
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6T)   Wash & Jeff	2-0	22	5,6,6,7,9	Beat Westminster PA 56-21
6T)   Louisiana Coll	1-1	22	4,5,7,8,9	Lost at D1FCS Alcorn St 52-10
8)   Muhlenberg	2-0	20	6,7,7,7,8	Beat Franklin & Marshal 42-7
9)   Methodist	1-0	13	4,6,10,x,x	Lost to Guilford 52-20
10T)   Maryville TN	1-1	3	8,x,x,x,x	Lost to Emory & Henry 14-13
10T)  Texas Lutheran	2-0	3	9,10,x,x,x	Beat Hardin-Simmons 37-14
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RV  LaGrange	2-0	2	9,x,x,x,x	Beat Berry 28-27 2OT
RV  Guilford	2-0	2	9,x,x,x,x	Beat Methodist 52-20
RV   Centre	2-0	1	10,x,x,x,x	Beat Defiance 34-7
RV)  Rhodes	2-0	1	10,x,x,x,x	beat Wash U 46-22
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Corrections are appreciated!

[Ralph Turner]

South Region Fan Poll -- Week #2

Team	Record	Points	Votes
1)   UMHB	2-0	48	1,1,1,2,2
2)   Wesley	2-0	47	1,1,2,2,2
3)   JHU	2-0	39	3,3,3,3,4
4)    Thomas More	1-1	31	3,4,5,5,6
5T)    Muhlenberg	2-0	27	4,5,5,7,7,
5T)   Wash & Jeff	2-0	27	4,6,6,6,6
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7)    H-SC	1-1	18	5,7,8,8,9
8)   Louisiana Coll	1-1	11	4,7,x,x,x
9)   Guilford	2-0	9	7,8,10,10,x
10)  Texas Lutheran	2-0	8	8,9,9,10,x
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RV   Centre	2-0	5	8,9,x,x,x
RV  LaGrange	2-0	2	9,x,x,x,x
RV)  Rhodes	2-0	2	10,10,x,x,x
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Corrections are appreciated!

[crufootball]

South Region Fan Poll -- Week #2

Team	Record	Points	Votes
1)   UMHB	2-0	48	1,1,1,2,2
2)   Wesley	2-0	47	1,1,2,2,2
3)   JHU	2-0	39	3,3,3,3,4
4)    Thomas More	1-1	31	3,4,5,5,6
5T)    Muhlenberg	2-0	27	4,5,5,7,7,
5T)   Wash & Jeff	2-0	27	4,6,6,6,6
.	.	.	.	.
7)    H-SC	1-1	18	5,7,8,8,9
8)   Louisiana Coll	1-1	11	4,7,x,x,x
9)   Guilford	2-0	9	7,8,10,10,x
10)  Texas Lutheran	2-0	8	8,9,9,10,x
.	.	.	.	.
RV   Centre	2-0	5	8,9,x,x,x
RV  LaGrange	2-0	2	9,x,x,x,x
RV)  Rhodes	2-0	2	10,10,x,x,x
.	.	.	.	.

Corrections are appreciated!

Interesting in the week that UMHB gains a #1 vote in the national poll, we lose one in this poll.

[jknezek]

Interesting in the week that UMHB gains a #1 vote in the national poll, we lose one in this poll.

I've consistently put UMHB 2 this year. Not sure who joined me. I just looked at who was coming back for UMHB and who was coming back for Wesley and made a choice. So far neither team has given me a reason to change. I've got TMC at 3 or 4 in my poll, so Wesley has a good win there. The blowout over Salisbury is also looking good. Similarly UMHB just creamed Redlands who isn't a bad team, so you could clearly make a very easy case for them, especially looking back at the last two years. Unfortunately we won't have the H2H we had the last two years to sort it out.

[wesleydad]

Interesting in the week that UMHB gains a #1 vote in the national poll, we lose one in this poll.

I've consistently put UMHB 2 this year. Not sure who joined me. I just looked at who was coming back for UMHB and who was coming back for Wesley and made a choice. So far neither team has given me a reason to change. I've got TMC at 3 or 4 in my poll, so Wesley has a good win there. The blowout over Salisbury is also looking good. Similarly UMHB just creamed Redlands who isn't a bad team, so you could clearly make a very easy case for them, especially looking back at the last two years. Unfortunately we won't have the H2H we had the last two years to sort it out.

JK, I joined you.  I changed based on what I have seen from Wesley, or the eye test, the first two games.  This is the best Wesley team I have seen.  The defense is really good and the offense will be hard to shut down with the receivers they put out on the field.  No disrespect to UMHB, but I thought the teams were close to start and after watching Wesley live and reading the minor grumblings of the UMHB fans on the ASC board I flipped them.  I would go 1 and 1A, but that doesn't add up well.  I also wish we had the head to head, but maybe if we are lucky they will be in different sides of the brackets and meet in the Stagg to find out.

[Ralph Turner]

South Region Fan Poll -- Week #3

Team	Record	Points	Votes
1)   UMHB	3-0	48	1,1,1,2,2
2)   Wesley	3-0	47	1,1,2,2,2
3)   JHU	3-0	37	3,3,3,3,6
4)    Thomas More	2-1	32	3,4,4,6,6
5)    Muhlenberg	3-0	31	4,4,5,5,6
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6)   Wash & Jeff	3-0	28	4,5,5,6,7
7T)    H-SC	2-1	17	7,7,7,8,9
7T)  Texas Lutheran	3-0	17	5,7,8,8,9
9T)   Guilford	3-0	7	8,9,10,10,x
9T)   Rhodes	3-0	7	8,9,10,10,x
.	.	.	.	.
RV   Centre	2-0	2	9,x,x,x,x
RV)   Louisiana Coll	1-2	1	10,x,x,x,x
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Corrections are appreciated!