FB: Region 3 fan poll

[HSCTiger74]

Slow start to the South Region Fan Poll, but here is the Pre-season Poll.

Team                      Votes    Balloting
1)   Wesley     (4)    49        1,1,1,1,2
2)   UMHB       (1)    46        1,2,2,2,2
3T) TMC                  37        3,3,3,4,5
3T) HSU                  37        3,3,4,4,4
5)   H-SC                17        5,5,8,9,*
6)   JHU                   15       5,6,9,9,*
7)   W&L                  14       5,6,8,*,*
8T)  Salisbury          11        4,7,*,*,*
8T)  W&J                 11        6,8,8,*,*
10T) McMurry            6        7,10,10,*,*
10T) Ursinus             6        7,9,*,*,*


Received votes   *   *

RV   Bridgewater        5       6,*,*,*,*
RV  Centre                5       6,*,*,*,*
RV   CNU                  4       8,10,*,*,*
RV   Muhlenberg        2       9,*,*,*,*
RV   Birmingham So   1       10,*,*,*,*
RV   DePauw              1       10,*,*,*,*

I have used the South Region Page as the source of South Region teams.  Salisbury is competing in the Empire 8, but is still listed in the South Region this season. DePauw is a "South Region" independent this season.

Because of the E-8 affiliation the East Region pollsters are also going to consider them when voting, so it will be interesting to compare the two polls. For the record, Salisbury is playing 6 East teams, 3 South teams, and NNA.

[HSC85]

Very interesting that only 4 teams appeared on all five ballots.  It also seems some real different perceptions about some teams.  Salisbury is a 4 on one ballot and does not appear on three others.

[Ron Boerger]

Very interesting that only 4 teams appeared on all five ballots.  It also seems some real different perceptions about some teams.  Salisbury is a 4 on one ballot and does not appear on three others.

Not unusual for a preseason poll, especially a fan poll ... voters just aren't that familiar with all the teams in the region.  It'll even out after a couple of weeks.

Re DePauw and still being in the south:  the team is in the NCAC in all other sports, and with it being in Indiana, can't really see the AA keeping it in the South for football unless they overlook the school's temporary independent status.

Oh, wait, we are talking about the NCAA.  Never mind.   

[Ralph Turner]

Here is the 2010 end-of-the-season week-by-week summary.  Lots of teams got a little bit of love.  Twenty-five schools got votes last year.

Here is a summary of the season to date.

Team	Pre	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	11	Final	*
Wesley	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	*	*
UMHB	2	2	2	2	2	2	2	2	2	2	2	2	.	.
Thomas More	3	3	4	4	3	3	3	3T	3	3T	3T	3	.	.
Hampden-Sydney	9T	8	6	5	5	6	6	5	5	5	9	4	.	.
Washington & Lee	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	RV	7	5	.	.
Hardin-Simmons	4	4	3	3	4	4	4	3T	4	3T	3T	6T	.	.
Salisbury	.	.	RV	RV	RV	9	9	8	8	7	8	6T	.	.
Muhlenberg	.	.	.	.	.	.	RV	10	10T	9	6	8	.	.
DePauw	.	RV	8	7	7	7	7	6	6	6	5	9	.	.
Louisiana College	9T	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	10	.	.
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Averett	RV	.	.	.	.	RV	10	.	RV	.	.	.	.	.
Bridgewater	.	.	.	.	.	RV	.	RV	.	.	.	.	.	.
Birmingham-Southern	.	.	.	.	RV	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.
Centre	8	RV	.	.	.	.	RV	.	.	.	.	.	.	.
Emory & Henry	.	.	.	.	RV	RV	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.
Franklin & Marshall	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	RV	.	.	.	.	.
Huntingdon	RV	RV	10T	10	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.
Johns Hopkins	6	7	10T	RV	9	RV	RV	.	.	.	.	.	.	.
Millsaps	RV	RV	.	.	.	9	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.
Mississippi College	5	5	5	8T	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.
NCWC	RV	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.
Randolph-Macon	RV	9	7	6	6	5	5	9	9	8	RV	.	.	.
Trinity	9T	RV	10T	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.	.
Ursinus	RV	10	9	8T	8	8	8	7	7	10	RV	RV	.	.
Washington & Jefferson	7	6	RV	RV	10	10	.	.	RV	RV	10	RV	.	.

[Ralph Turner]

I have 4 ballots, awaiting the 5th.   

[Ralph Turner]

South Region Fan Poll, Week #1

1)    Wesley  (4)  49     1,1,1,1,2
2)    UMHB    (1)  46     1,2,2,2,2
3)    HSU            39     3,3,3,4,4
4)    TMC             29     3,3,4,5,x
5)    H-SC            28     4,5,5,6,7
6T)    JHU             17      6,7,8,8,9
6T)    Salisbury     17       4,5,7,x,x
8)    W&J            14     5,6,8,x,x
9)    W&L           12     6,7,8,x,x
10)    LaCollege      6     9,9,9,x,x

RV   B'water VA     5      6,x,x,x,x
RV   CNU               5      7,10,x,x,x
RV   B-SC             3      8,x,x,x,x
RV   Centre           3      9,10,x,x,x
RV   MissColl         1      10,x,x,x,x
RV   NC Wesleyan  1      10,x,x,x,x
RV)  DPU               1      10,x,x,x,x 

Thanks to crufootball for the proofreading.  +1!   

And you, too, Ryan.   

[crufootball]

South Region Fan Poll, Week #1

1)    Wesley  (4)  49     1,1,1,1,2
2)    UMHB    (1)  46     1,2,2,2,2
3)    HSU            39     2,3,3,4,4
4)    TMC             29     3,3,4,5,x
5)    H-SC            28     4,5,5,6,7
6T)    JHU             17      6,7,8,8,9
6T)    Salisbury     17       4,5,7,x,x
8T)    W&J            12     6,7,8,x,x
8T)    W&L           12     6,7,8,x,x
10)    LaCollege      6     9,9,9,x,x

RV   B'water VA     5      6,x,x,x,x
RV   CNU               5      7,10,x,x,x
RV   B-SC             3      8,x,x,x,x
RV   Centre           3      9,10,x,x,x
RV   MissColl         1      10,x,x,x,x
RV   NC Wesleyan  1      10,x,x,x,x
RV)  DPU               1      10,x,x,x,x 
       

I know it doesn't matter but I am wrong that there is an extra 2nd place vote and a missing 3rd?

[Ryan Tipps]

And there's an extra 7 tho shy a 5.

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

Wow, someone dropped Thomas More out of their poll?

[Ralph Turner]

I will have this week's poll posted by noon Wednesday.  I am in the middle of 3 busy days on the road.

I have 4 of 5 ballots.  Thanks to all.

[SaintsFAN]

Wow, someone dropped Thomas More out of their poll?

Well, they didn't play that week... but they handled their business against Hanover.  The Panthers were overmatched physically.

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

I confess, I was the late ballot submission.

Should be an interesting poll. I struggled picking the order of #2-4, and the bottom two teams.

[Ralph Turner]

However Matt, this is the first chance that I have had to compile the poll!

1) UMHB  (5)    50    1,1,1,1,1
2) TMC            42    2,2,2,3,4
3)  HSU           40    2,2,3,3,5
4)  H-SC          32    4,4,4,5,6
5)  Wesley       30    3,4,5,5,8
6T) JHU           20    6,6,7,7,9
6T) Salisbury    20    3,7,7,7,x
8)  W&L           14    5,8,8,9,x
9)  W&J            8     6,8,x,x,x
10T) B'water     5     6,x,x,x,x
10T) McM         5     8,9,x,x,x

RV) LaCollege    4     9,10,10,x,x
RV) Centre        2     9,x,x,x,x
RV) DPU            1    10,x,x,x,x
RV) BSC            1    10,x,x,x,x
RV) TU              1    10,x,x,x,x

Corrections are appreciated.

[Ralph Turner]

As I look as this balloting, I see programs that have not fared well against other conferences and wonder why that is not considered in the balloting.

If one does not want to use the terms "owns", then Wesley matches very favorably against the ASC.  They may be down this year, but they are still a strong team.

The ODAC dominates the USA South.

Trinity beats the mid to bottom of the ASC, but hasn't played the Top 2 in years. Trinity let the contract with McMurry lapse after the 2009 game. (Howard Payne looks especially weak this year).  Millsaps versus LaCollege will be a fun one to watch this weekend.

My gut tells me that Salisbury will win the Empire 8 and be a #1/#2 seed because of the OWP/OOWP effect of playing the East Region schools.

The ASC contenders dominate the Pres AC.  I often wonder how many ASC schools are better than the top of the Pres AC.  The 69-7 UMHB drubbing of Thomas More just continued this historic trend.

IMHO, a "plane flight game" in D3 is worth 6-7 points in home field advantage, early in the season, and 5 points in post season.  That is why the UWSP 8-6 victory at Willamette looked about right, especially considering how hard it is adjust to the Willamette offense. (I assume that they still run "The Fly".)  HSU seems to be very strong.  The "new" coaching staff is not really that different in the spirit of HSU teams.  The "young blood" has brought new enthusiasm to Cowboy Football.

I don't know what to make of the UMHB-McMurry game this weekend.  The McMurry-Stephen F Austin game was baptismal fire.  I believe that I heard that the first 3 McM turnovers was caused by freshmen getting their first collegiate "hit", but deliverd by D1 players instead of D-III's.  The relative strengths of McMurry's "walk-ons" versus 2 recruiting classes at D1-FCS led by a coach who has the reputation of Coach Coker leaves question marks for us to resolve over the season.

[SaintsFAN]

The ASC contenders dominate the Pres AC.  I often wonder how many ASC schools are better than the top of the Pres AC.  The 69-7 UMHB drubbing of Thomas More just continued this historic trend.

Not that it matters much on who would've won --- Thomas More wasn't going to beat UMHB, but they had some issues with some key personel that day in Belton.  Their starting QB was out after a couple series and they had to play a true freshman backup.  Like I said, it wouldn't have changed who won... but losing him and the RB that day changed the complexion of the team and affected morale.  I would love to see how they stack up with the ASC with a full squad... outside of UMHB (which I still think is a measuring stick for the Saints)