FB: Region 3 fan poll

[HSC85]

I believe that JHU is a South Region team.  Do you think that they would be moved to the East?

[Ralph Turner]

I believe that JHU is a South Region team.  Do you think that they would be moved to the East?

Yes.

If a move to the "East" bracket would help, especially if the committee wants to find 8 proximate teams for the east bracket, and not move Mount Union to the east, again, then I am sure that JHU would assist, including being bracketed in the East Region.

I am assuming that UMHB and TMC will be #1 and #2 in the South (Salisbury possibly being a #1/#2/#3 and moved to the East Bracket if they beat Wesley.)

[HSC85]

Is Salisbury a South team too?  I would expect them to be an East team since they play in the E8 now.

[jknezek]

Where a team is doesn't necessarily preclude where they will go in a bracket. I think it's very reasonable to assume Salisbury and the CC winner (presumably JHU) may move east and I wouldn't preclude Wesley from that grouping either. I know in 2006  W&L travelled north as the 8 seed in the East to face Wilkes. Last year Montclair made the trek to H-SC as a Pool C, so the NJAC has definitely been moved to the South when convenient as well. Last year Salisbury was also seeded in the East. The regions are primarily guidelines to be tampered with when convenient. How many times has UMU moved to headline the East allowing another strong team to have the North 1?

[K-Mack]

Four consecutive years now, I believe. I have a book with all this in it but it's at home and I am not.

When it comes to playoffs, it's probably best to dispense with four-region thinking entirely and look at a map.

Rather than East, South, West, North just think of the four No. 1 seeds and whether or not you can draw a 500-mile radius around them and fit most or all of the other playoff teams in it. The only reason the term "East" should come up is when you are talking about actual East Region teams and their lack of success in the playoffs or such things.

With the exception of Texas/Deep South and West Coast, the playoff brackets usually mostly fit within these 500 mile circles.

A school like Johns Hopkins is less than 500 miles from St. John Fisher, Mount Union, Endicott, Thomas More (right on the nose) ... Thomas More could go to Whitewater (471 miles)

The location of potential No. 1 seeds like UMU, UWW, Wesley and the CCIW, MIAC and E8 champs in a given year usually make for lots of flexibility.

[HSC85]

What region you are in is extremely important when the Pool C bids are determined.  I was asking about Salisbury because I did not know if a whole conference is always in one region.  They have been in the South Region for years but now Frostburg and Salisbury are in the E8.  Are they South Region teams or East Region teams?

[Toby Taff]

I'm probably wrong but I think they are now a east region team . For poll purposes we considered them south for the season, but it think they are actually in the east region. Guess well know for sure if they Are ranked in a week and a half.

[jknezek]

What region you are in is extremely important when the Pool C bids are determined.   I was asking about Salisbury because I did not know if a whole conference is always in one region.  They have been in the South Region for years but now Frostburg and Salisbury are in the E8.  Are they South Region teams or East Region teams?

I'm curious about this. Who got the AQ for the NJAC last year? There were tri-champs and Montclair came South to face H-SC. Were they the AQ and got moved, or were they a Pool C and got moved? If they were the Pool C and moved regions, that would lessen your statement about region being important for Pool C. I don't know the answer to this. I assumed they were a C last year, but now I'm not sure.

[HSC85]

Regions are only important when selecting Pool C members.  Each region puts one candidate on the table for consideration at a time.  A team can't be selected until they are on the table.  Some years a team that has a good resume does not make it to the table because the region is too strong.  The regional rankings are an indicator of how the Pool C candidates would stack up and in what order they would be considered.  Once the 32 teams are chosen the NCAA can set the bracket however they want.  The regions really only matter in selecting Pool C members.  My question is more for understanding how the NCAA is treating Salisbury and Frostburg since they have been South Region teams and now they play in the East Region.  It has no relation to how a bracket might be put together. 

The other important fact that is determined by which region a team is in is a team's in-region record.  That is a primary selection criteria.  There are many people on this board that know much more about this than me.  I was just curious as to what region those two teams were considered to be in.

[Ryan Tipps]

I was asking about Salisbury because I did not know if a whole conference is always in one region.

It's not a requirement, no. The one that comes to mind is the UAA, which has Wash U and Carnegie Mellon in the South Region and Case and Chicago in the North Region.

I'm probably wrong but I think they are now a east region team . For poll purposes we considered them south for the season, but it think they are actually in the east region.

This came up earlier in the season, and I believe Salisbury is still a South Region team.

[Ryan Tipps]

I'm curious about this. Who got the AQ for the NJAC last year? There were tri-champs and Montclair came South to face H-SC.

Cortland got the NJAC's AQ last year.

[Ralph Turner]

I need two more ballots.  I hope to have the poll posted tomorrow night.

[Ralph Turner]

Going with 5 ballots...

1)   UMHB        (5)       50     1,1,1,1,1
2)   Wesley                 42     2,2,2,3,4
3)   Thomas More         39     2,2,3,3,6
4T)  Salisbury              31      4,4,5,5,6
4T)  JHU                      31     3,4,4,6,7

6)   Centre                   15     6,6,8,9,x
7)    Louisiana Coll        14     3,7,10,10,x
8T)  B-SC                    13     8,8,8,8,10
8T)  Trinity                   13     5,7,9,10,x
10)   McMurry               12     5,5,x,x,x

RV)  W&L                      6    7,9,x,x,x
RV)  Huntingdon            5    9,9,10,x,x
RV)  W&J                      4    7,x,x,x,x

[jknezek]

Absolutely amazed that someone doesn't have Centre on their ballot and yet has B-SC ranked. For the life of me, that makes no sense. You have a recent, road win in a head to head and a one loss team versus and undefeated team. The game wasn't even that close even when you ignore the score. Total yards of 455 - 304, 2 punts versus 6 punts, 8 third down conversions to 3. Even if you ignore the last score on an interception return for a TD, it was still a 3 score game (37-20). What part of this game did B-SC win that the voter believes they are a better team?

I'd chalk it up to a B-SC homer but I haven't seen anyone on the boards that fits that description. And you can't even say it's someone who doesn't believe the SCAC is all that good because they are both in the same conference. Someone help me out here...

[wesleydad]

jk, voters are just that voters.  most go by what they hear or read.  very few get out and see enough games to get a clear understanding of how good teams are.  it is easy to disagree with anyone who votes, but they are at least voting.  open to criticism from anyone who wants to criticize.  i figure it is hard to come up with teams to vote for so most go with the team that they may have heard about.  i wonder why if they are voting that they at least dont take the time to see what you came up with.