FB: Region 3 fan poll

[ExTartanPlayer]

And now there are 16 different teams RV and only 5 teams named on all ballots.  Wow.  What a year in the South!

I think W & J is undervalued.  Their lone loss was a competitive game against a St. John Fisher team likely to contend for the East.  Only question is whether Bliss may be injured?  If he is healthy I would not expect Geneva to beat W & J in the PAC, although TMC might.

[jknezek]

And now there are 16 different teams RV and only 5 teams named on all ballots.  Wow.  What a year in the South!

I think W & J is undervalued.  Their lone loss was a competitive game against a St. John Fisher team likely to contend for the East.  Only question is whether Bliss may be injured?  If he is healthy I would not expect Geneva to beat W & J in the PAC, although TMC might.

Yep. And there are a few more teams that might be deserving. For examply, E&H was in the RV category last week, absolutely buried a 2-0 Methodist team, and didn't show up this week. Centre is now 3-0 and isn't getting love, but Millsaps and B-SC stand in the way. Neither of whom I would argue has a win the quality of W&L. So I think the South, 6-20 at least, is mix and match right now. And that list has gotten longer. But it will start back the other way very shortly. Silly season has mostly come to an end.

[ExTartanPlayer]

And now there are 16 different teams RV and only 5 teams named on all ballots.  Wow.  What a year in the South!

I think W & J is undervalued.  Their lone loss was a competitive game against a St. John Fisher team likely to contend for the East.  Only question is whether Bliss may be injured?  If he is healthy I would not expect Geneva to beat W & J in the PAC, although TMC might.

Yep. And there are a few more teams that might be deserving. For examply, E&H was in the RV category last week, absolutely buried a 2-0 Methodist team, and didn't show up this week. Centre is now 3-0 and isn't getting love, but Millsaps and B-SC stand in the way. Neither of whom I would argue has a win the quality of W&L. So I think the South, 6-20 at least, is mix and match right now. And that list has gotten longer. But it will start back the other way very shortly. Silly season has mostly come to an end.

E&H is still receiving a single 7th-place vote.  And is not named on any other ballot.  Just showing how insane it is right now.  You're right that in the next few weeks some H2H matchups will provide clarity.

[jknezek]

E&H is still receiving a single 7th-place vote.  And is not named on any other ballot.  Just showing how insane it is right now.  You're right that in the next few weeks some H2H matchups will provide clarity.

Hate when I make lazy errors. +K for pointing it out.

[Toby Taff]

And now there are 16 different teams RV and only 5 teams named on all ballots.  Wow.  What a year in the South!

I think W & J is undervalued.  Their lone loss was a competitive game against a St. John Fisher team likely to contend for the East.  Only question is whether Bliss may be injured?  If he is healthy I would not expect Geneva to beat W & J in the PAC, although TMC might.

Yep. And there are a few more teams that might be deserving. For examply, E&H was in the RV category last week, absolutely buried a 2-0 Methodist team, and didn't show up this week. Centre is now 3-0 and isn't getting love, but Millsaps and B-SC stand in the way. Neither of whom I would argue has a win the quality of W&L. So I think the South, 6-20 at least, is mix and match right now. And that list has gotten longer. But it will start back the other way very shortly. Silly season has mostly come to an end.

It really is silly season to a point. My numerical measuring stick has #s 9-17 within a point of each other. and #s 2-17 are within 2 points of each other right now. (UMHB has 2x the points of #2). The h2h match ups will start to change things, and once things are in conference the typical devouring of each other will likewise bring some normalcy to the poll.

[Ralph Turner]

Week #4

Team	Points	Ballots	Conference	Key games
1)   UMHB	50	1,1,1,1,1	ASC	LaCollege 10/19
2)   JHU	44	2,2,2,2,3	Centennial	Ursinus 11/02
3)   Wesley	41	2,3,3,3,3	Independent	Huntingdon 10/05, at ERFP #6 Rowan 10/19
4)   CNU	27	4,4,5,6,9	USA South	"Cakewalk"
5)   Thomas More	25	4,4,6,7,9	Pres AC	at W&J  10/12
.	.	.
6)   Huntingdon	23	5,5,5,7,10	USA South	at Wesley 10/05
7)   Bridgewater	19	4,6,7,8,x	ODAC	at H-SC  10/12; at E&H 11/02
8)   LaCollege	13	6,7,8,10,x	ASC	at UMHB 10/19; at TLU  11/02
9)  Millsaps	12	5,8,8,x,x	Southern AA	at B-SC 10/19
10)  Ursinus	7	6,10,10,x,x	Centennial	at JHU  11/02
.	.	.
RV)  Emory & Henry	4	7,x,x,x,x	ODAC	H-SC  10/19; Bridgewater 11/02
RV)  B-SC	4	9,9,x,x,x	Southern AA	Millsaps 10/19
RV)  Hampden-Sydney	3	8,x,x,x,x	ODAC	Bridgewater 10/12; at E&H 10/19
RV)  Texas Lutheran	2	9,x,x,x,x	SCAC	LaCollege 11/02
RV)  Wash & Jeff	1	10,x,x,x,x	Pres AC	TMC  10/12

Corrections appreciated.

Thanks to jknezek, PA_Wesleyan, roocru and Toby Taff.

(And trust me. There is no pattern of provincialism in the ballots.  Offline, the voters have communicated to me the criteria by which they have voted, and their reasoning is logical.)

[Toby Taff]

Week #4

Team	Points	Ballots	Conference
1)   UMHB	50	1,1,1,1,1	ASC
2)   JHU	44	2,2,2,2,3	Centennial
3)   Wesley	41	2,3,3,3,3	Independent
4)   CNU	27	4,4,5,6,9	USA South
5)   Thomas More	25	4,4,6,7,9	Pres AC
.	.	.
6)   Huntingdon	23	5,5,5,7,10	USA South
7)   Bridgewater	19	4,6,7,8,x	ODAC
8)   LaCollege	13	6,7,8,10,x	ASC
9)  Millsaps	12	5,8,8,x,x	Southern AA
10)  Ursinus	7	6,10,10,x,x	Centennial
.	.	.
RV)  Emory & Henry	4	7,x,x,x,x	ODAC
RV)  B-SC	4	9,9,x,x,x	Southern AA
RV)  Hampden-Sydney	3	8,x,x,x,x	ODAC
RV)  Texas Lutheran	2	9,x,x,x,x	SCAC
RV)  Wash & Jeff	1	10,x,x,x,x	Pres AC

Corrections appreciated.

Thanks to jknezek, PA_Wesleyan, roocru and Toby Taff.

(And trust me. There is no pattern of provincialism in the ballots.  Offline, the voters have communicated to me the criteria by which they have voted, and their reasoning is logical.)

looks like we're getting closer to a consensus of who the top 10 are...still some difference about where each belongs. I think the next 3 weeks shakes some of that out as well

[jknezek]

I find the balance pretty interesting right now. Of the 15 teams receiving votes, the poll represents at least 2 teams from every conference except the pint sized SCAC, which is showing 1.  In the top 10, 2 ASC, 2 CC, 2 USASC, 1 Indy, 1 PAC, 1 ODAC, 1 SAA. The conferences with 1 pick up the spares in the RV area, with 2 more from the ODAC, 1 PAC and 1 SAA, along with the 1 SCAC.

So all the tops of the conferences are represented pretty well, with a fairly good consensus on who those tops are. The ODAC being the main exception with 3 teams ranked 7 through RV. I think it's pretty clear we think we know who the best teams are not just in the region, but in every conference. We're just not real sure how the tops of the conferences stack up against each other (outside the top 3).

[roocru]

Week #4

Team	Points	Ballots	Conference
1)   UMHB	50	1,1,1,1,1	ASC
2)   JHU	44	2,2,2,2,3	Centennial
3)   Wesley	41	2,3,3,3,3	Independent
4)   CNU	27	4,4,5,6,9	USA South
5)   Thomas More	25	4,4,6,7,9	Pres AC
.	.	.
6)   Huntingdon	23	5,5,5,7,10	USA South
7)   Bridgewater	19	4,6,7,8,x	ODAC
8)   LaCollege	13	6,7,8,10,x	ASC
9)  Millsaps	12	5,8,8,x,x	Southern AA
10)  Ursinus	7	6,10,10,x,x	Centennial
.	.	.
RV)  Emory & Henry	4	7,x,x,x,x	ODAC
RV)  B-SC	4	9,9,x,x,x	Southern AA
RV)  Hampden-Sydney	3	8,x,x,x,x	ODAC
RV)  Texas Lutheran	2	9,x,x,x,x	SCAC
RV)  Wash & Jeff	1	10,x,x,x,x	Pres AC

Corrections appreciated.

Thanks to jknezek, PA_Wesleyan, roocru and Toby Taff.

(And trust me. There is no pattern of provincialism in the ballots.  Offline, the voters have communicated to me the criteria by which they have voted, and their reasoning is logical.)

looks like we're getting closer to a consensus of who the top 10 are...still some difference about where each belongs. I think the next 3 weeks shakes some of that out as well

The losses by CNU, Huntingdon, Birmingham Southern, Bridgewater, Emory and Henry and Washington and Jefferson, as well as who they lost to, has me scratching my head again!! 

Ursinus wins by only eight points to an 0-5 Moravian.  Louisiana College barely beats Howard Payne by three.  Hampden Sydney and Texas Lutheran appear to have the best quality wins of those who were receiving votes.

I need to put my thinking cap on or maybe throw darts to decide places 6-10 in my poll this week!!

[Ralph Turner]

Huntingdon drove 900 miles to play SR#3 Wesley.  Wesley came from behind to win.  IMHO, not a bad loss.

With CNU's loss, Huntingdon still has the chance to win the Pool A in the USA South.

[jknezek]

I didn't move Huntingdon at all. Losing to a team a few spots ahead of you in the poll, on the road, in a close game, is an expected result, yes? So how can you move them based on an expected result? Either they were what you thought before, or you had them wrong to begin with. For example, I moved Wesley after the UMHB game because it was a pretty good hammering, which I didn't expect. But if they had played within 10-14 points of UMHB I wouldn't have moved them. Huntingdon did what I expected based on where I had them relative to Wesley, so they could stay right where they were...

[PA_wesleyfan]

 The bottom of the poll is getting tougher to pick. I have to give Ursiinus a little love for being undefeated but I am not sure if
they can hang with many teams in the poll. Huntingdon should run the table in the USAS but they don't play CNU. Time will tell

[roocru]

I didn't move Huntingdon at all. Losing to a team a few spots ahead of you in the poll, on the road, in a close game, is an expected result, yes? So how can you move them based on an expected result? Either they were what you thought before, or you had them wrong to begin with. For example, I moved Wesley after the UMHB game because it was a pretty good hammering, which I didn't expect. But if they had played within 10-14 points of UMHB I wouldn't have moved them. Huntingdon did what I expected based on where I had them relative to Wesley, so they could stay right where they were...

Did not mean to imply that Huntingdon had a bad loss! Instead I meant that they were one of those you had to keep in mind who they lost to. I should have probably had them in a different paragraph.

I will turn in my rankings tomorrow.

[Ralph Turner]

Week #5

Team	Points	Ballots	Conference	Key games
1)   UMHB	50	1,1,1,1,1	ASC	LaCollege 10/19
2)   JHU	43	2,2,2,3,3	Centennial	Ursinus 11/02
3)   Wesley	42	2,2,3,3,3	Independent	at ERFP #5 Rowan 10/19
4)   Thomas More	35	4,4,4,4,4	Pres AC	at W&J  10/12
5)   Huntingdon	26	5,5,5,6,8	USA South	Maryville 11/16
.	.	.
6)  Texas Lutheran	18	6,7,7,8,9	SCAC	LaCollege 11/02
7T)  Millsaps	16	5,6,7,10,x	Southern AA	at B-SC 10/19
7T)  Ursinus	16	5,8,8,9,9	Centennial	at JHU  11/02
9)   LaCollege	12	6,7,8,x,x	ASC	at UMHB 10/19; at TLU  11/02
10)  Hampden-Sydney	6	7,10,10,x,x	ODAC	Bridgewater 10/12; at Randy Mac 11/16
.	.	.
RV)  Randy Mac	5	6,x,x,x,x	ODAC	at Bridgewater 11/09, H-SC  11/16
RV)  CNU	4	9,9,x,x,x	USA South	Maryville 10/19
RV)  Bridgewater	1	10,x,x,x,x	ODAC	at H-SC  10/12; Randy Mac 11/09
RV)  Maryville TN	1	10,x,x,x,x	USA South AC	at CNU 10/19; at Huntingdon 11/16

Corrections appreciated.

[Scots13]

IF THE MARYVILLE VOTE NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED...DON'T SAY ANYTHING. I BEG YOU. 

Hopefully we'll grow on the other voters within the next few weeks. First things first. Beat LaGrange!