FB: Region 3 fan poll

[wesleydad]

Wesley being placed ahead of Millsaps makes their chances seem to be pretty good.  I am surprised by it, but ok if that gets Wesley in great.  Looks like Tex Luth, Wesley, and then Framingham or Millsaps.  If Millsaps loses than the other 3 seem to be a lock with these rankings.

[Bob.Gregg]

...the first regional rankings:
SOUTH
5   Thomas More   7-1   7-1
...
...
...
10   Washington and Jefferson   6-2   6-2

Here's the South question:  IF W&J runs the table, taking the AQ, and TMC knocks off Bethany and MSJ (I think that's who they play), can/does TMC get on the board for a Pool C?  The RR committee obviously thinks highly of the Saints....

[ExTartanPlayer]

...the first regional rankings:
SOUTH
5   Thomas More   7-1   7-1
...
...
...
10   Washington and Jefferson   6-2   6-2

Here's the South question:  IF W&J runs the table, taking the AQ, and TMC knocks off Bethany and MSJ (I think that's who they play), can/does TMC get on the board for a Pool C?  The RR committee obviously thinks highly of the Saints....

I think the Pool B selections will have something to do with this.  If Millsaps, TLU, and Wesley all get Pool B bids, my guess is that yes, TMC will get a Pool C bid because they'll be first up on the South board and hopefully after being discussed for a while, eventually they'll get in.  If somehow the Pool B selections go TLU, Framingham State, Wesley or some combination of that and one of the aforementioned trio remains on the Pool C board above TMC (which they would be if the RR's remain unchanged), then I think TMC will be left out.  I don't think the South will get two Pool C's with so many strong teams from the North and West likely to be on the Pool C board.

[Carl Menist]

The NCAA Web Site where the regional rankings are posted indicated the following -

"A Southern Athletic Association representative did not participate in this week's rankings"

How many folks vote - how do the numbers work - what could the effect of this be theoretically?

[narch]

I wasn't the Methodist vote

not shocking...i don't have a not shocking face to link to, but i'm making my not shocked face right now

Methodist more likely dropped out because they struggled with a lightly regarded Greensboro team while HSC murdered a common opponent.

if that were the case, guilford struggled with that same lightly regarded greensboro team (won by 3 on a td with 1:13 remaining), and they were previously ahead of mu (despite a loss to mu)...i think it had more to do with hsc hammering guilford, making the mu win vs. guilford look less impressive (or "very unimpressive", if you will )

i was shocked (hence the big shocked face) to see mu mentioned in the first place, and i think they are in their rightful place right now...

[jknezek]

I wasn't the Methodist vote

not shocking...i don't have a not shocking face to link to, but i'm making my not shocked face right now

Methodist more likely dropped out because they struggled with a lightly regarded Greensboro team while HSC murdered a common opponent.

if that were the case, guilford struggled with that same lightly regarded greensboro team (won by 3 on a td with 1:13 remaining), and they were previously ahead of mu (despite a loss to mu)...i think it had more to do with hsc hammering guilford, making the mu win vs. guilford look less impressive (or "very unimpressive", if you will )

i was shocked (hence the big shocked face) to see mu mentioned in the first place, and i think they are in their rightful place right now...

All of the above. That being said, if Methodist beats Huntingdon this weekend, a game that I may venture out to watch, they'll be real close to being on my SRFP ballot depending on other results. I am, however, rooting for Huntingdon, as weather permitting I would definitely venture out to watch Huntingdon and Maryville in a defacto conference championship game. If it happens, I'll even be dragging my dad to go see it after a round of golf in the Montgomery area...

[Ralph Turner]

For reference...the first regional rankings:

http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2013/11/06/first-2013-ncaa-regional-rankings/

SOUTH
1   Mary Hardin-Baylor   8-0   8-0
2   Johns Hopkins   8-0   8-0
3   Texas Lutheran   7-0   7-0
4   Wesley   6-2   6-2
5   Millsaps   8-0   8-0
5   Thomas More   7-1   7-1
7   Maryville (Tenn.)   7-1   7-1
8   Washington (Mo.)   6-2   6-2
9   Hampden-Sydney   6-2   6-2
10   Washington and Jefferson   6-2   6-2

Well, I guess the top 10 is even a consensus within the RR committee. Order is pretty darn close as well.

Which is why I am proud of the guys (PA_Wesleyan, Jknezek, roocru and Toby Taff)who help me do this...

The voters are serious fans who do their best to get the poll "right".

Their arguments for their ballots are cogent and well-considered.  They generate healthy discussions.

[PA_wesleyfan]

narch

Twas I !!! I have been wavering between a few teams from the lower half of my bracket. A win against Huntingdon will certainly change my mind!! Good luck . The over under should be 80 for that game too. 

As for the rest of the poll, I have a hard time putting Wesley ahead of any undefeated team that is in our poll. It has always been my contention that an undefeated team deserves to be above those who have lost. Unless the schedule is absolutely ridiculous.
I know there are exceptions .

[narch]

narch

Twas I !!!

'preciate the vote...not sure mu deserves it, but time will tell

[Ralph Turner]

I will post the week #10 poll later tonight.

[Ralph Turner]

Week #10

Team	Points	Ballots
1)   UMHB	50	1,1,1,1,1
2)   JHU	45	2,2,2,2,2
3)   Wesley	39	3,3,3,3,4
4)   Millsaps	35	3,4,4,4,5
5)   Maryville TN	26	5,5,5,7,7
.	.	.
6)   Wash U St L	19	5,6,6,8,x
7)   Wash & Jeff	17	6,6,7,8,x
8)  Thomas More	16	6,7,7,8,x
9)  Hampden-Sydney	13	4,8,8,9,x
10)  Texas Lutheran	6	9,9,9,x,x
.	.	.
RV    Methodist	3	10,10,10,x,x
RV    Randolph Macon	2	9,x,x,x,x
RV)   LaCollege	1	10,x,x,x,x
RV)   Muhlenberg	1	10,x,x,x,x

Corrections appreciated.

[Ralph Turner]

Bad internet connection.  There may be errors that I can correct this weekend.  Thanks.

[ExTartanPlayer]

RR's this week:

SOUTH            
1   Mary Hardin-Baylor   9-0   9-0   
2   Johns Hopkins   9-0   9-0   
3   Millsaps   8-0   9-0   
4   Wesley   4-2   7-2   
5   Thomas More   8-1   8-1   
6   Maryville (Tenn.)   8-1   8-1   
7   Texas Lutheran   7-1   7-1   
8   Washington-St. Louis   7-2   7-2   
9   Hampden-Sydney   7-2   7-2   
10   Washington and Jefferson   7-2   7-2

Millsaps is golden for a Pool B.  Wesley is probably golden for a Pool B.  WashU still being ranked behind TLU is a death knell for their hopes since they're the fourth B team on the board from this region alone.  TLU has to hope Framingham State loses this week, but I don't see them getting a B over Framingham.  TMC is undoubtedly the first Pool C on the board from the South unless W & J loses.  Whether they actually get in...that is an iffier proposition with so many strong teams from the North and West on the board.

[jknezek]

RR's this week:

SOUTH            
1   Mary Hardin-Baylor   9-0   9-0   
2   Johns Hopkins   9-0   9-0   
3   Millsaps   8-0   9-0   
4   Wesley   4-2   7-2   
5   Thomas More   8-1   8-1   
6   Maryville (Tenn.)   8-1   8-1   
7   Texas Lutheran   7-1   7-1   
8   Washington-St. Louis   7-2   7-2   
9   Hampden-Sydney   7-2   7-2   
10   Washington and Jefferson   7-2   7-2

Millsaps is golden for a Pool B.  Wesley is probably golden for a Pool B.  WashU still being ranked behind TLU is a death knell for their hopes since they're the fourth B team on the board from this region alone.  TLU has to hope Framingham State loses this week, but I don't see them getting a B over Framingham.  TMC is undoubtedly the first Pool C on the board from the South unless W & J loses.  Whether they actually get in...that is an iffier proposition with so many strong teams from the North and West on the board.

Millsaps and Wesley control their own destiny (as much as possible for a non-AQ). The committee seems to be giving TMC as much help as they can by ranking them as high as is defensible. Wash U needs TLU to lose, probably Framingham St. as well.

[jaybird44]

Well, let me just say that all the talk about SOS (besides Wesley, whose astronomical SOS and very good record cannot be ignored by even the most ignorant) is now moot.  It's a stat that needs to go away, because it apparently is considered and evaluated in a cavalier manner...if at all.

How Wash-U is not ahead of Texas Lutheran after last week is ridiculous.  If the roles were reversed in this situation, I'd be criticizing Wash-U's stance ahead of TLU. 

Team A with an SOS in the 200s, that got waxed to the tune of giving up 73 points to a sub-.500 team, and is only a half-game ahead of Team B in the won-loss column should not be still ahead of that team in the regional rankings.  Period.  If SOS carries the weight and respect that it is said to have among the regional ranking committee members.  I understand that Wash-U has an advantage of plugging in tough non-conference opponents because of the 4-team UAA...as opposed to TLU who isn't able to work in a Whitewater and a Coe in its non-conference schedule.  But, Wash-U shouldn't then be penalized for putting those two teams on the schedule...rather than looking for some weak struggling programs to pillage.

Unfortunately, the regional committees don't feel the need to reward programs who do seek to put tough teams on the schedule...to prepare them for the rigors of the playoffs should they get there.  The message is clear...find as many easy teams as possible to schedule, so you can roll to a 9-1 or 10-0 record with scant resistance and a playoff berth.

It will be interesting to see if that becomes a trend next year and beyond.