FB: Region 3 fan poll

[Ralph Turner]

Man have I become the outlier. I'm the only one giving votes to Moravian and Westminster, I'm the only one not giving a vote to Huntingdon, and one of two not give a vote to W&J! Feeling lonely on this island...

When I tabulated the votes, I asked myself the question,  "Is Moravian the next best team after Hendrix?"

I think that is still a good question.

[jknezek]

Man have I become the outlier. I'm the only one giving votes to Moravian and Westminster, I'm the only one not giving a vote to Huntingdon, and one of two not give a vote to W&J! Feeling lonely on this island...

When I tabulated the votes, I asked myself the question,  "Is Moravian the next best team after Hendrix?"

I think that is still a good question.

Well Ralph, you get my notes when I send in my votes. It's how I keep track of what I'm doing! But I'll put it this way. Moravian had a one score loss to the number 2 team in the poll, on the road. Other than that, they are undefeated. Is that enough to put them ahead of undefeated RMC and Case? It is to me. Neither of those teams have played anyone substantial. Who is Case's best game? St. Vincent? Who is RMC's? Shenandoah? Bridgewater? Not really thinking these teams have proved much other than they are better than average and played worse than average schedules.

Moravian may not have played anyone but JHU, but they took the #2 SRFP team to the wire, on the road. That's a darn good result that no one else in the bottom half of the poll can match.

I don't get the high votes for Huntingdon or any for Guilford. Huntingdon lost to NC Wes, and it wasn't that close. But NC Wes is 2-3 right now. Good losses to strong Stevenson and UMU, and a mediocre loss to Maryville. Hard to put Huntingdon all that high on the back of a single win over LC, who got pasted by the #3 team in the SRFP.

W&J got pasted by the #4 SRFP team. Absolutely pasted. How is that better than losing by 1 score on the road to the #2 team? For that matter, how is it better than Westminster? The Titans made it a game at TMC, something W&J didn't come close to doing.

Fortunately some of these teams will play this out. Westminster hosts W&J 10/22. RMC and Guilford play. Case plays Wash U and Westminster. Moravian has F&M and Muhlenberg ahead. But right now? I find this poll interesting.

[Bob.Gregg]

W&J got pasted by the #4 SRFP team. Absolutely pasted. How is that better than losing by 1 score on the road to the #2 team? For that matter, how is it better than Westminster? The Titans made it a game at TMC, something W&J didn't come close to doing.

For the record:
TMC led W&J 7-3 at intermission at home.  W&J was dominated in the second half, completely and totally.  Saints outgained Presidents 2.5 to 1.0.  W&J turned over three times, TMC once.  It was a game, though not for long after intermission.

TMC, playing AT Westminster, led 28-15 at the break and won 45-35.  Both end of half scores were dressed up by points in final minutes by WC, FG at half, TD with 2:05 to play in game to get to within 10.  Saints out-gained Titans 3-to-2, but committed 3 turnovers to 1 by WC.  It was a game, though mostly played at arms length.  To the Titans' credit, they twice got back to within a touchdown.

[Ralph Turner]

Man have I become the outlier. I'm the only one giving votes to Moravian and Westminster, I'm the only one not giving a vote to Huntingdon, and one of two not give a vote to W&J! Feeling lonely on this island...

When I tabulated the votes, I asked myself the question,  "Is Moravian the next best team after Hendrix?"

I think that is still a good question.

Well Ralph, you get my notes when I send in my votes. It's how I keep track of what I'm doing! But I'll put it this way. Moravian had a one score loss to the number 2 team in the poll, on the road. Other than that, they are undefeated. Is that enough to put them ahead of undefeated RMC and Case? It is to me. Neither of those teams have played anyone substantial. Who is Case's best game? St. Vincent? Who is RMC's? Shenandoah? Bridgewater? Not really thinking these teams have proved much other than they are better than average and played worse than average schedules.

Moravian may not have played anyone but JHU, but they took the #2 SRFP team to the wire, on the road. That's a darn good result that no one else in the bottom half of the poll can match.

I don't get the high votes for Huntingdon or any for Guilford. Huntingdon lost to NC Wes, and it wasn't that close. But NC Wes is 2-3 right now. Good losses to strong Stevenson and UMU, and a mediocre loss to Maryville. Hard to put Huntingdon all that high on the back of a single win over LC, who got pasted by the #3 team in the SRFP.

W&J got pasted by the #4 SRFP team. Absolutely pasted. How is that better than losing by 1 score on the road to the #2 team? For that matter, how is it better than Westminster? The Titans made it a game at TMC, something W&J didn't come close to doing.

Fortunately some of these teams will play this out. Westminster hosts W&J 10/22. RMC and Guilford play. Case plays Wash U and Westminster. Moravian has F&M and Muhlenberg ahead. But right now? I find this poll interesting.

Thanks for the post. +1!

(jk sends me his commentaries every week and I can follow his line of reasoning very easily. I will maintain confidentiality for my voters and let them share their opinions in their own words on this forum. Thanks to the voters.  Feel free for others to post their own Top 10 for comments.  I think that a poll must have internal consistency from the same voters each week for it to have long term relevance when we look back on a season. Five voters is a nice round number.  )

[Ralph Turner]

ETBU must stay within 21 points of UMHB and 14 of HSU for me to keep them there.

[SaintsFAN]

W&J got pasted by the #4 SRFP team. Absolutely pasted. How is that better than losing by 1 score on the road to the #2 team? For that matter, how is it better than Westminster? The Titans made it a game at TMC, something W&J didn't come close to doing.

For the record:
TMC led W&J 7-3 at intermission at home.  W&J was dominated in the second half, completely and totally.  Saints outgained Presidents 2.5 to 1.0.  W&J turned over three times, TMC once.  It was a game, though not for long after intermission.

TMC, playing AT Westminster, led 28-15 at the break and won 45-35.  Both end of half scores were dressed up by points in final minutes by WC, FG at half, TD with 2:05 to play in game to get to within 10.  Saints out-gained Titans 3-to-2, but committed 3 turnovers to 1 by WC.  It was a game, though mostly played at arms length.  To the Titans' credit, they twice got back to within a touchdown.

Westminster needs to develop a more consistent and efficient passing game if they want to compete with W&J and TMC for PAC Titles.  Their QB was something like 6-21 at one point in that game against TMC. 

Also, I've never seen TMC thoroughly dominate W&J like they did; I don't count the game after the loss of the W&J RB. 

[Scots13]

And so begins the weekly bottom 5 shuffling...

[jknezek]

And so begins the weekly bottom 5 shuffling...

Yeah. Moravian apparently was not a good call. My bad...

[Scots13]

And so begins the weekly bottom 5 shuffling...

Yeah. Moravian apparently was not a good call. My bad...

You might be on to something with Westminster though.

There's going to be a team on my ballot that's probably a no brainer to rank at this point,but the position probably will be a head scratcher. We didn't get any favors this week.

[jknezek]

What to do with half the SAA schools? Berry, Centre, Wash U, Hendrix. Totally reshuffled the bottom 5, and despite their blasting, I didn't move ETBU. I can't think anyone I have beneath them that is going to do better against UMHB.

[Scots13]

The SAA and ODAC are causes of concern for me. 4 way tie in the SAA and typical ODAC play doesn't help.
Games against JHU have become a bar of sorts for some teams on my ballot this week.

[jknezek]

The SAA and ODAC are causes of concern for me. 4 way tie in the SAA and typical ODAC play doesn't help.
Games against JHU have become a bar of sorts for some teams on my ballot this week.

Yeah. I have no ODAC or USAC teams in my poll right now. Have 3 ASC teams, 2 CC teams, 4 PAC, 1 SAA. The PAC thing looks odd to me, but TMC, Case, Westminster and W&J. Westminster and W&J play this week and Case and Westminster play 11/5, so some of that will get sorted. W&J sits at 10. Their last two games haven't really been overwhelming, but they have one loss to TMC. My next couple teams up, Berry, Hendrix, Centre, Huntingdon all have losses that are significantly less appealing.

[Scots13]

A TMC/CWRU game would help iron everything out, that's for sure.

[Ralph Turner]

A TMC/CWRU game would help iron everything out, that's for sure.

Definitely.

[SaintsFAN]

A TMC/CWRU game would help iron everything out, that's for sure.

Definitely.

I'd prefer that too... though, selfishly so the Saints don't have to share the PAC Title with anyone else.