FB: Region 3 fan poll

[jknezek]

I appreciate all our voters, but this region is fairly boring right now. Another week where the favorites hold serve. Hardin-Simmons gained a point from R-MC, breaking their tie.

Games to watch: Howard Payne visits Hardin-Simmons
RMC visits W&L (way more interesting before W&L decided to only play the 4th quarter against Hampden-Sydney)

Region 3 (South Atlantic-Ish) Fan Poll Week 7

Conferences: ASC, ODAC, SAA, USASAC

Rank			School			Points			Weekly Change			Voter Breakdown
1			UMHB (4)			46			0			2 , 2 , 1 , 1 , 1 , 2 , 1
2			Trinity (TX) (3)			44			0			1 , 1 , 2 , 3 , 2 , 1 , 2
3			Huntingdon			30			0			3 , 3 , 3 , 5 , 5 , 4 , 3
4			Hardin-Simmons			26			0			5 , 7 , 4 , 2 , 3 , 3 , 6
5			R-MC			24			-1			4 , 4 , 5 , 4 , 4 , 6 , 5
6			B-SC			17			0			6 , 6 , 6 , 6 , 6 , 5 , 4
7			Howard Payne			8			0			7 , 5 , 7 , 7 , 7 , 7

Also Receiving Votes:
Berry (1)

Newly Ranked: None
Dropped Out: None

1 = 1st Place Vote, 7 = 7th Place Vote in Voter Breakdown
Special Thanks to the Voters: Hawks88, BSCpanthers, Wild Horse Rider, Ralph Turner, ksclegal, Cowboy2, jknezek

[Ron Boerger]

I appreciate all our voters, but this region is fairly boring right now. Another week where the favorites hold serve. Hardin-Simmons gained a point from R-MC, breaking their tie.

Games to watch: Howard Payne visits Hardin-Simmons
RMC visits W&L (way more interesting before W&L decided to only play the 4th quarter against Hampden-Sydney)

Given their cardiac performances against B-SC and Berry the last three weeks, I'd suggest Trinity at Centre as another game to keep an eye on. 

[BSCpanthers]

I appreciate all our voters, but this region is fairly boring right now. Another week where the favorites hold serve. Hardin-Simmons gained a point from R-MC, breaking their tie.

Games to watch: Howard Payne visits Hardin-Simmons
RMC visits W&L (way more interesting before W&L decided to only play the 4th quarter against Hampden-Sydney)

Given their cardiac performances against B-SC and Berry the last three weeks, I'd suggest Trinity at Centre as another game to keep an eye on.

Trinity-Centre should be another good game.  Looking forward to the HSU-Howard Payne game.  Three weeks to go, the season always goes by to fast.

[Cowboy2]

Who voted HSU at 7?! 

Each to their own but....

[BSCpanthers]

Who voted HSU at 7?! 

Each to their own but....

That's me, I've been claiming my call for weeks.  Reason, they lost by 30 at home and Howard Payne is currently undefeated.  We will find out this weekend if I'm an idiot or a genius, my vote is idiot, but we will see.

[ksclegal]

Actually HPU lost to George Fox. Currently undefeated in conference.I have them 7th and HSU 3rd.

[Ron Boerger]

Actually HPU lost to George Fox. Currently undefeated in conference.I have them 7th and HSU 3rd.

For the last two seasons HPU has been the empty calorie team in the ASC.  They put points on the board but give up a lot.  It's fine against the lesser lights of the conference but if they gave up 45 to TLU and 42 to Sul Ross the outlook the next two weeks isn't very good.  That said, that Bachtel has done as well as he has is close to miraculous given the school doesn't even have 750 students attending - 738, according to the numbers Pat reports.  120 on the roster would mean that over a quarter, possibly even a third of the male attendance is on the football team.

[Etchglow]

Actually HPU lost to George Fox. Currently undefeated in conference.I have them 7th and HSU 3rd.

For the last two seasons HPU has been the empty calorie team in the ASC.  They put points on the board but give up a lot.  It's fine against the lesser lights of the conference but if they gave up 45 to TLU and 42 to Sul Ross the outlook the next two weeks isn't very good.  That said, that Bachtel has done as well as he has is close to miraculous given the school doesn't even have 750 students attending - 738, according to the numbers Pat reports.  120 on the roster would mean that over a quarter, possibly even a third of the male attendance is on the football team.

That 42 to Sul Ross is only 7 more than Hardin-Simmons gave up. 

[crufootball]

Actually HPU lost to George Fox. Currently undefeated in conference.I have them 7th and HSU 3rd.

For the last two seasons HPU has been the empty calorie team in the ASC.  They put points on the board but give up a lot.  It's fine against the lesser lights of the conference but if they gave up 45 to TLU and 42 to Sul Ross the outlook the next two weeks isn't very good.  That said, that Bachtel has done as well as he has is close to miraculous given the school doesn't even have 750 students attending - 738, according to the numbers Pat reports.  120 on the roster would mean that over a quarter, possibly even a third of the male attendance is on the football team.

That 42 to Sul Ross is only 7 more than Hardin-Simmons gave up.

I will say Sul Ross has to be one of the better 2-5 teams in the country, they have some serious weapons on offense.

[Ralph Turner]

Who voted HSU at 7?! 

Each to their own but....

That's me, I've been claiming my call for weeks.  Reason, they lost by 30 at home and Howard Payne is currently undefeated.  We will find out this weekend if I'm an idiot or a genius, my vote is idiot, but we will see.

I have a general question about your philosophy on grading outcomes.

In last year's Stagg, UMHB kicks a FG with no time remaining in the half to go ahead 19-17.
They take the 3Q kickoff and drive 81 yd in 12 plays, 26-17.
For NCC, the next 3 possessions are:
1) UMHB INT on the UMHB 2; 10 play 91 yd drive for TD, 33-17.
2) UMHB INT on the 2nd play: NCC holds; UMHB FG 36-17
3) UMHB INT; 5 plays 46 yds; TD UMHB 43 - 17
4) NCC 7 plays 71 yds; TD. UMHB up 43- 24

UMHB scores on 2 more drives to win 57-24.
UMHB never punted.

That is a 33-point win on a neutral field.


Is that the same total domination that we saw with UMHB HSU this year where, in the 2nd quarter we see:

2      04:36   Hardin-Simmons - Evans,Kevi 74 yd pass from Glynn,Gaylon. (Kick).
Drive: 2 plays, 75 yards in 00:57.   HSU pulls ahead 16-20

Then,
2   03:42   Mary Hardin-Baylor - Jordan, Brandon 4 yd pass from King,Kyle, after an 85-yd kickoff return
Drive: 2 plays, 3 yards in 00:54.   22 - 20

2   03:30   Mary Hardin-Baylor - Smith-Rider, Johnny 15 yd fumble recovery. (Kick).   29 - 20 "Scoop 6"

2   02:56   Mary Hardin-Baylor - Hill, Durand 33 yd fumble recovery. (Kick).   36 - 20 "Scoop 6"


In 2021, UMHB scored a TD with 1:56 left in the 4th quarter to edge Trinity 13-3 in the first round game. UMHB scores a TD with 6:06 left in the 4th Q to beat HSU 34-28 in Belton.

In the playoffs, UMHB beat BSC at 35 points, beat Linfield at 25 points, and UWW on the road by 17.

How do NCC, UMHB and Trinity stack up on your 2021 D3 Top 25 ballot?

Thanks.

[Toby Taff]

Actually HPU lost to George Fox. Currently undefeated in conference.I have them 7th and HSU 3rd.

For the last two seasons HPU has been the empty calorie team in the ASC.  They put points on the board but give up a lot.  It's fine against the lesser lights of the conference but if they gave up 45 to TLU and 42 to Sul Ross the outlook the next two weeks isn't very good.  That said, that Bachtel has done as well as he has is close to miraculous given the school doesn't even have 750 students attending - 738, according to the numbers Pat reports.  120 on the roster would mean that over a quarter, possibly even a third of the male attendance is on the football team.

That 42 to Sul Ross is only 7 more than Hardin-Simmons gave up.

I will say Sul Ross has to be one of the better 2-5 teams in the country, they have some serious weapons on offense.

Sul Ross does have good looking talent. The question is do they stay more than a year in Alpine. If you're a city kid, staying around is a hard sell.

[Cowboy2]

Actually HPU lost to George Fox. Currently undefeated in conference.I have them 7th and HSU 3rd.

For the last two seasons HPU has been the empty calorie team in the ASC.  They put points on the board but give up a lot.  It's fine against the lesser lights of the conference but if they gave up 45 to TLU and 42 to Sul Ross the outlook the next two weeks isn't very good.  That said, that Bachtel has done as well as he has is close to miraculous given the school doesn't even have 750 students attending - 738, according to the numbers Pat reports.  120 on the roster would mean that over a quarter, possibly even a third of the male attendance is on the football team.

That 42 to Sul Ross is only 7 more than Hardin-Simmons gave up.

I will say Sul Ross has to be one of the better 2-5 teams in the country, they have some serious weapons on offense.

Sul Ross does have good looking talent. The question is do they stay more than a year in Alpine. If you're a city kid, staying around is a hard sell.

Toby your very correct! They always have talent. It's keeping it during some down years as seemed to be problematic. I remember watching them week 1 because of all the transfers they fielded and I knew they would do some damage even though They lost. They're young team. Have a lot of first year players. Talent they have! They just need some experience and a chance to grow together. With all the talk about the Midwest teams playing close with D2 schools, SRS played AMK very close! And the Javelinas always have talent. 

[Toby Taff]

Actually HPU lost to George Fox. Currently undefeated in conference.I have them 7th and HSU 3rd.

For the last two seasons HPU has been the empty calorie team in the ASC.  They put points on the board but give up a lot.  It's fine against the lesser lights of the conference but if they gave up 45 to TLU and 42 to Sul Ross the outlook the next two weeks isn't very good.  That said, that Bachtel has done as well as he has is close to miraculous given the school doesn't even have 750 students attending - 738, according to the numbers Pat reports.  120 on the roster would mean that over a quarter, possibly even a third of the male attendance is on the football team.

That 42 to Sul Ross is only 7 more than Hardin-Simmons gave up.

I will say Sul Ross has to be one of the better 2-5 teams in the country, they have some serious weapons on offense.

Sul Ross does have good looking talent. The question is do they stay more than a year in Alpine. If you're a city kid, staying around is a hard sell.

Toby your very correct! They always have talent. It's keeping it during some down years as seemed to be problematic. I remember watching them week 1 because of all the transfers they fielded and I knew they would do some damage even though They lost. They're young team. Have a lot of first year players. Talent they have! They just need some experience and a chance to grow together. With all the talk about the Midwest teams playing close with D2 schools, SRS played AMK very close! And the Javelinas always have talent.

One of my students was recruited by SRSU last year.Loved the visit and the facilities, but ultimately chose ETBU, and he was a country boy from Sweetwater who works cows for his grandfather in South Dakota over Christmas Break. if it was a hard sale for him you better be able to seff ice water to an Inuit person in the dead of winter as a recruiter

[SW1]

Hardin- Simmons to Trinity and Huntingdon to UMHB or UMHB to RMC are some good game options for first rounds of the playoffs. Think the ASC wins both those games.

[jknezek]

Well there is nothing spooky at all about this poll. The top 3 spots all stay the same. RMC scratches out an extra point to break the tie with Hardin-Simmons. Belhaven reappears in the 7th spot, edging out Berry and dropping HPU following the game with Hardin-Simmons.

Games of the Week:
B-SC hosts Centre
Howard Payne hosts UMHB

Region 3 (South Atlantic-Ish) Fan Poll Week 8

Conferences: ASC, ODAC, SAA, USASAC

Rank			School			Points			Weekly Change			Voter Breakdown
1			UMHB (4)			46			0			2 , 2 , 1 , 1 , 1 , 2 , 1
2			Trinity (TX) (3)			44			0			1 , 1 , 2 , 3 , 2 , 1 , 2
3			Huntingdon			32			0			3 , 3 , 3 , 5 , 4 , 3 , 3
4			R-MC			25			1			4 , 4 , 5 , 4 , 3 , 6 , 5
5			Hardin-Simmons			24			-1			5 , 6 , 4 , 2 , 5 , 4 , 6
6			B-SC			18			0			6 , 5 , 6 , 6 , 6 , 5 , 4
7			Belhaven			4			---			7 , 7 , 7 , 7

Also Receiving Votes:
Berry (3)

Newly Ranked: Belhaven
Dropped Out: Howard Payne (Prev:7)

1 = 1st Place Vote, 7 = 7th Place Vote in Voter Breakdown
Special Thanks to the Voters: Hawks88, BSCpanthers, Wild Horse Rider, Ralph Turner, ksclegal, Cowboy2, jknezek