FB: Region 3 fan poll

[D3Navy]

"I also think Trinity fans were on the bandwagon for Berry to get a Pool C just like they all were the last couple of years for BSC getting in the discussion."

Yup.  Pulled hard for both.

[BSCpanthers]

Trinity ended the season with 2 losses, one to North Central to who everyone is losing this year.  The other to a non-playoff team in St Johns.  R-MC has destroyed everyone up until today, and finally proved they can win a game when it gets tough.  To me, R-MC now has a better resume then Trinity ended with.  Trinity's best win was against Berry, who didn't even get a sniff as a Pool C, even though I thought they should have.  Everyone here was quick to tell me nope, wasn't going to happen.  All you Trinity folks needed to get on the Vikings bandwagon and get them into that Pool C slot.

R-MC is my Region 3 #1 team.

Well RMC is playing good ball that's for sure!

However, until it's over and there is a common opponent, not at a neutral field, I'll still have Trinity at #1. I mean Trinity did beat HSU who beat UWL. They had a bad game against NCC. It happens, but that team is legit.

Your take is about like Trinity losing to UMHB in the first round (3-13) the year they won a natty and BSC losing to them the second round. So was BSC better than Trinity that year because they beat Huntingdon the first round and Trinity lost?

Each game has different game plans. Some players are healthy. Some teams match up better. I also think Trinity fans were on the bandwagon for Berry to get a Pool C just like they all were the last couple of years for BSC getting in the discussion.

No, because unfortunately, we all saw Trinity beat BSC on the last play of the game both years.  Once with defense the other on offense.  Also, those UMHB games were back to back and Trinity had a much better showing then we did, we got run off the field in the rain. 

I'm saying R-MC is now 13-0 and still playing while Trinity is 10-2 and sitting at home.  R-MC boat raced everyone during the regular season, and won their second round 46-0.  I'm not saying Trinity isn't a very good team, I'm just saying that I'd put R-MC as the #1 team in Region 3 for the final poll.

[crufootball]

Trinity ended the season with 2 losses, one to North Central to who everyone is losing this year.  The other to a non-playoff team in St Johns.  R-MC has destroyed everyone up until today, and finally proved they can win a game when it gets tough.  To me, R-MC now has a better resume then Trinity ended with.  Trinity's best win was against Berry, who didn't even get a sniff as a Pool C, even though I thought they should have.  Everyone here was quick to tell me nope, wasn't going to happen.  All you Trinity folks needed to get on the Vikings bandwagon and get them into that Pool C slot.

R-MC is my Region 3 #1 team.

Well RMC is playing good ball that's for sure!

However, until it's over and there is a common opponent, not at a neutral field, I'll still have Trinity at #1. I mean Trinity did beat HSU who beat UWL. They had a bad game against NCC. It happens, but that team is legit.

Your take is about like Trinity losing to UMHB in the first round (3-13) the year they won a natty and BSC losing to them the second round. So was BSC better than Trinity that year because they beat Huntingdon the first round and Trinity lost?

Each game has different game plans. Some players are healthy. Some teams match up better. I also think Trinity fans were on the bandwagon for Berry to get a Pool C just like they all were the last couple of years for BSC getting in the discussion.

No, because unfortunately, we all saw Trinity beat BSC on the last play of the game both years.  Once with defense the other on offense.  Also, those UMHB games were back to back and Trinity had a much better showing then we did, we got run off the field in the rain. 

I'm saying R-MC is now 13-0 and still playing while Trinity is 10-2 and sitting at home.  R-MC boat raced everyone during the regular season, and won their second round 46-0.  I'm not saying Trinity isn't a very good team, I'm just saying that I'd put R-MC as the #1 team in Region 3 for the final poll.

Maybe this is implied by your ranking but do you think RMC beats Trinity more often than not if they played this year

[jknezek]

Trinity ended the season with 2 losses, one to North Central to who everyone is losing this year.  The other to a non-playoff team in St Johns.  R-MC has destroyed everyone up until today, and finally proved they can win a game when it gets tough.  To me, R-MC now has a better resume then Trinity ended with.  Trinity's best win was against Berry, who didn't even get a sniff as a Pool C, even though I thought they should have.  Everyone here was quick to tell me nope, wasn't going to happen.  All you Trinity folks needed to get on the Vikings bandwagon and get them into that Pool C slot.

R-MC is my Region 3 #1 team.

Well RMC is playing good ball that's for sure!

However, until it's over and there is a common opponent, not at a neutral field, I'll still have Trinity at #1. I mean Trinity did beat HSU who beat UWL. They had a bad game against NCC. It happens, but that team is legit.

Your take is about like Trinity losing to UMHB in the first round (3-13) the year they won a natty and BSC losing to them the second round. So was BSC better than Trinity that year because they beat Huntingdon the first round and Trinity lost?

Each game has different game plans. Some players are healthy. Some teams match up better. I also think Trinity fans were on the bandwagon for Berry to get a Pool C just like they all were the last couple of years for BSC getting in the discussion.

No, because unfortunately, we all saw Trinity beat BSC on the last play of the game both years.  Once with defense the other on offense.  Also, those UMHB games were back to back and Trinity had a much better showing then we did, we got run off the field in the rain. 

I'm saying R-MC is now 13-0 and still playing while Trinity is 10-2 and sitting at home.  R-MC boat raced everyone during the regular season, and won their second round 46-0.  I'm not saying Trinity isn't a very good team, I'm just saying that I'd put R-MC as the #1 team in Region 3 for the final poll.

Maybe this is implied by your ranking but do you think RMC beats Trinity more often than not if they played this year

A few weeks ago I'd say Trinity would have won 8 of 10. Now I'm not so sure. We don't have a very good comparison, and I'm not sure NCC will be one if it comes to that as Stagg Bowls have added pressure second round games don't.

Here's the thing, Endicott boat-raced Hardin-Simmons, much to my surprise. Cortland St squeezed past Endicott. Trinity securely beat Hardin-Simmons. We will see how R-MC does against Cortland St, but at this point, I'd have to say R-MC and Trinity would end up somewhere around splitting games.

You can go back and look at my post from Trinity at B-SC. I was pretty clear Trinity didn't look like the dominant South Region teams I've seen in the past. UMHB and Wesley when I saw them in person looked on a different level than D3 teams. Trinity didn't to me. They looked very good, but not like an different level national title contender. What NCC did to them kind of proves that out. NCC is that dominant level, and we can clearly see what a team that is really National Championship worthy did to Trinity. It wasn't pretty.

I don't imagine NCC would beat R-MC any worse, which would still make for a pretty crappy Stagg if it comes to it. But I hope we will get a chance to find out.

[Ron Boerger]

After today the RMC > Trinity equation (which I would have supported) is not so certain.  Getting dumped 49-14 on your home field says a lot.

[BSCpanthers]

After today the RMC > Trinity equation (which I would have supported) is not so certain.  Getting dumped 49-14 on your home field says a lot.

And Trinity gave up 71 to North Central. 

R-MC had a better season, stop trying to fight it so hard. 

[Ralph Turner]

After today the RMC > Trinity equation (which I would have supported) is not so certain.  Getting dumped 49-14 on your home field says a lot.

I believe that NCC got "re-focused" today. I have NCC as a 2-TD favorite over Cortland.

[tigerguy]

After today the RMC > Trinity equation (which I would have supported) is not so certain.  Getting dumped 49-14 on your home field says a lot.

And Trinity gave up 71 to North Central. 

R-MC had a better season, stop trying to fight it so hard.

You sure have had some questionable takes this season.

[D3Navy]

After today the RMC > Trinity equation (which I would have supported) is not so certain.  Getting dumped 49-14 on your home field says a lot.

I believe that NCC got "re-focused" today. I have NCC as a 2-TD favorite over Cortland.

Great football weather predicted for Salem on Friday.  NCC will churn out their usual tally of big plays.  NCC 56 - Cortland 21.

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Admitted Trinity fan here, but I'd contend that Trinity would limit RMC's running game in a matchup enough to win a notional matchup.  28 points despite four turnovers against NCC is meaningful.

[BSCpanthers]

After today the RMC > Trinity equation (which I would have supported) is not so certain.  Getting dumped 49-14 on your home field says a lot.

And Trinity gave up 71 to North Central. 

R-MC had a better season, stop trying to fight it so hard.

You sure have had some questionable takes this season.

Exactly what is questionable about what I said???  Trinity did give up 71 to NC, R-MC did have a better season.

Unfortunately we will not get a matchup, so we can only go off of the fact that Trinity ended the season 10-2 and R-MC went 13-1. Trinity got knocked out to the playoffs in the second round, R-MC went to the semis.

If Cortland wins next week, does that make a difference in your mind???

[Pat Coleman]

Trinity got knocked out to the playoffs in the second round, R-MC went to the semis.

Tell me you don't understand D-III playoffs without saying you don't understand D-III playoffs.

[tigerguy]

Exactly what is questionable about what I said???  Trinity did give up 71 to NC, R-MC did have a better season.

Unfortunately we will not get a matchup, so we can only go off of the fact that Trinity ended the season 10-2 and R-MC went 13-1. Trinity got knocked out to the playoffs in the second round, R-MC went to the semis.

If Cortland wins next week, does that make a difference in your mind???

You seem to be in the same camp of the "record matters above all else" people that have been bashing the D3 voters all year. The notion that Team A is better than Team B simply because Team A had more wins/less losses is nonsensical unless they played the exact same schedule. So too is the notion that Team A is better than Team B simply because Team A went further in a playoff bracket that (especially this year) is never set up to be competitively balanced. Using your metrics, RMC is just as good as Wartburg - yes? And, you'd say RMC is definitely better than UW-Lacrosse, not only because UWL lost during the regular season, but also because UWL lost in the quarters and RMC made it to the Semis - right?

Again, I don't have an issue with you thinking RMC is better than Trinity. But using the two metrics you're suggesting get you to that conclusion ignores common sense.

[Ralph Turner]

After today the RMC > Trinity equation (which I would have supported) is not so certain.  Getting dumped 49-14 on your home field says a lot.

And Trinity gave up 71 to North Central. 

R-MC had a better season, stop trying to fight it so hard.

You sure have had some questionable takes this season.

Exactly what is questionable about what I said???  Trinity did give up 71 to NC, R-MC did have a better season.

Unfortunately we will not get a matchup, so we can only go off of the fact that Trinity ended the season 10-2 and R-MC went 13-1. Trinity got knocked out to the playoffs in the second round, R-MC went to the semis.

If Cortland wins next week, does that make a difference in your mind???

There has not been a finalist from the "East" in this millennium. Rowan appeared in 1999 and Ithaca won the Stagg in 1991, the last time a "Purple" was not in the Semi-finals. (I consider the Landmark, MAC and the Centennial conferences as "Mid-Atlantic" where good representatives have shown well in the playoffs.) The "East" champion frequently was strongly dispatched by UMU when that the winner of that eastern most bracket advanced. Cortland has a strong resume.

My assessment of RMC will be evaluated from the perspective of Cortland's play against NCC.

[BSCpanthers]

You guys don't comprehend very well. I have never said R-MC was a better team and would beat Trinity. I have said they had a better season. Because this poll is subjective, it is my opinion that R-MC should be ranked above Trinity in the final poll. That's where I would put them. I'm not sure why that's so offensive to some of you, or why it ruins your day so much.

[Pat Coleman]

I have never said R-MC was a better team and would beat Trinity.
it is my opinion that R-MC should be ranked above Trinity in the final poll.

Tell me you don't understand polls without saying you don't understand D-III polls.