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BSCpanthers

Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 10, 2023, 04:49:19 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on December 10, 2023, 04:46:45 PM
I have never said R-MC was a better team and would beat Trinity.
it is my opinion that R-MC should be ranked above Trinity in the final poll.

Tell me you don't understand polls without saying you don't understand D-III polls.

Attack me all you want, call me an idiot, I don't really care. But tell me why I'm wrong for putting R-MC ahead of Trinity. None of you have giving me a reason other then "you don't understand". I e giving you my reasons why I put R-MC there, none of you have given me a reason why Trinity should be ahead of them except because that's where someone else ranked them there, someone else's opinion. What makes theirs better than mine???

Pat Coleman

Ranking someone ahead of someone else is literally saying that team would beat the other team.
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BSCpanthers

Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 10, 2023, 04:57:46 PM
Ranking someone ahead of someone else is literally saying that team would beat the other team.

And I think it would be a great game, but I don't know who would win. And guess what, neither do you. You have your guess on who would win, but that is all it is. So for the end of season ranking, I'm going with who had the better season. And that would be R-MC.

tigerguy

Quote from: BSCpanthers on December 10, 2023, 05:29:24 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 10, 2023, 04:57:46 PM
Ranking someone ahead of someone else is literally saying that team would beat the other team.

And I think it would be a great game, but I don't know who would win. And guess what, neither do you. You have your guess on who would win, but that is all it is. So for the end of season ranking, I'm going with who had the better season. And that would be R-MC.

You didn't answer my question so I'll make it more direct. In a poll of the top 25 teams in the nation, based on your "better season" criteria, you'd put R-MC in a tie with Wartburg, and ahead of UWL - correct?

BSCpanthers

I would probably put Wartburg ahead of R-MC, but I would put R-MC ahead of UWL, after all, they did lose at home to Hardin Simmons.

D3Navy

Quote from: BSCpanthers on December 10, 2023, 04:53:10 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 10, 2023, 04:49:19 PM
Quote from: BSCpanthers on December 10, 2023, 04:46:45 PM
I have never said R-MC was a better team and would beat Trinity.
it is my opinion that R-MC should be ranked above Trinity in the final poll.

Tell me you don't understand polls without saying you don't understand D-III polls.

Attack me all you want, call me an idiot, I don't really care. But tell me why I'm wrong for putting R-MC ahead of Trinity. None of you have giving me a reason other then "you don't understand". I e giving you my reasons why I put R-MC there, none of you have given me a reason why Trinity should be ahead of them except because that's where someone else ranked them there, someone else's opinion. What makes theirs better than mine???

I did.

Wild Horse Rider

I know it is unrelated to the pole but I just wanted to give a shout out to the big boys from Region 3.  The AFCA All American team came out this week and of the 5 first team OL three were from teams in our geographic neck of the woods.  Boatman from Belhaven, Valdez from Hardin-Simmons, and Hale from Randolph Macon.  I don't know if that is a record but I honestly don't care.  Congratulations to them and their teams.  For an individual offensive lineman to be recognized it would not be possible without the other 4 around them and the offense as a whole.  Great work!

And as far as settling the debate between Trinity and Randolph Macon I say each team selects one representative for a cage match.  Winner's team is the best in the region.  In either case I believe Friday night should be a fun one.

BSCpanthers

Hell of a ballgame, Courtland wins the championship 38-37.  Congrats to them on the win.

Now for local business, y'all tell me again what makes Trinity be voted ahead of R-MC.  ;D

tigerguy

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My man....

For (hopefully) the last time this season: I don't think a single soul in this thread has had an issue with your subjective belief that RMC is better than Trinity. I don't even think some people would disagree with you. However, since the beginning of the season you've preached that record matters over all, and you continued that mantra into the playoffs. But Im sorry, nobody (or perhaps only a few) find that credible in this D3 landscape. Congrats, after tonight you (maybe) finally have a data point of comparison to support your ultimate position; yet, tonight still does nothing to bolster the position you've taken for weeks that record matters above all else. Or how far a team makes it in the playoffs. I do commend you on finally realizing that your better strategy is to ask others why Trinity is better than RMC -  rather than relying on your own arguments for why RMC is better, though.

BSCpanthers

Quote from: tigerguy on December 15, 2023, 11:12:09 PM
My man....

For (hopefully) the last time this season: I don't think a single soul in this thread has had an issue with your subjective belief that RMC is better than Trinity. I don't even think some people would disagree with you. However, since the beginning of the season you've preached that record matters over all, and you continued that mantra into the playoffs. But Im sorry, nobody (or perhaps only a few) find that credible in this D3 landscape. Congrats, after tonight you (maybe) finally have a data point of comparison to support your ultimate position; yet, tonight still does nothing to bolster the position you've taken for weeks that record matters above all else. Or how far a team makes it in the playoffs. I do commend you on finally realizing that your better strategy is to ask others why Trinity is better than RMC -  rather than relying on your own arguments for why RMC is better, though.

Once again, I'm claiming you didn't comprehend what I said.  Either I did a terrible job explaining it, or you did a horrible job of reading it.  I never claimed R-MC was better because of their record.  I had Trinity ranked ahead of R-MC to end the season.  I said R-MC had a better season and deserved to be ranked ahead of Trinity after the playoffs.  I've also called for someone to tell me why Trinity should be ranked higher for over a week, and no one has.  They just told me how wrong I was for my take on it.  I asked for them to give me a reason, and that's when the thread went silent for a week. 

It is what it is, and now the seasons over.  The long wait begins for spring practice, signing days and finally fall camp.  For BSC, my confidence is once again climbing that we will still exist and have another season, but with all that has been going on, we have a huge hill to climb to get back to where we were the last few years. 

D3Navy

Quote from: BSCpanthers on December 16, 2023, 11:12:39 AM
Quote from: tigerguy on December 15, 2023, 11:12:09 PM
My man....

For (hopefully) the last time this season: I don't think a single soul in this thread has had an issue with your subjective belief that RMC is better than Trinity. I don't even think some people would disagree with you. However, since the beginning of the season you've preached that record matters over all, and you continued that mantra into the playoffs. But Im sorry, nobody (or perhaps only a few) find that credible in this D3 landscape. Congrats, after tonight you (maybe) finally have a data point of comparison to support your ultimate position; yet, tonight still does nothing to bolster the position you've taken for weeks that record matters above all else. Or how far a team makes it in the playoffs. I do commend you on finally realizing that your better strategy is to ask others why Trinity is better than RMC -  rather than relying on your own arguments for why RMC is better, though.

Once again, I'm claiming you didn't comprehend what I said.  Either I did a terrible job explaining it, or you did a horrible job of reading it.  I never claimed R-MC was better because of their record.  I had Trinity ranked ahead of R-MC to end the season.  I said R-MC had a better season and deserved to be ranked ahead of Trinity after the playoffs.  I've also called for someone to tell me why Trinity should be ranked higher for over a week, and no one has.  They just told me how wrong I was for my take on it.  I asked for them to give me a reason, and that's when the thread went silent for a week. 

It is what it is, and now the seasons over.  The long wait begins for spring practice, signing days and finally fall camp.  For BSC, my confidence is once again climbing that we will still exist and have another season, but with all that has been going on, we have a huge hill to climb to get back to where we were the last few years. 

You today: "I've also called for someone to tell me why Trinity should be ranked higher for over a week, and no one has."

Me on December 10th: "Admitted Trinity fan here, but I'd contend that Trinity would limit RMC's running game in a matchup enough to win a notional matchup."

Cortland was barely in the top 100 and stopped the RMC running game.  Trinity was 23rd.  Stop the RMC running game and you win.

That's my reason.  Again.


BSCpanthers

You believe that would happen, and it may.  But you don't know that for fact, because it didn't happen.  I think it would be a fun game, if we could have seen it. 

Remember, this isn't an argument over who is better and would win the game, because we don't know that answer.  The conversation is about who is ranked higher at the end of the season?

D3Navy

Quote from: BSCpanthers on December 16, 2023, 01:31:11 PM
You believe that would happen, and it may.  But you don't know that for fact, because it didn't happen.  I think it would be a fun game, if we could have seen it. 

Remember, this isn't an argument over who is better and would win the game, because we don't know that answer.  The conversation is about who is ranked higher at the end of the season?


Thanks.  I get that. 

I would rank Trinity higher at the end of the season given their demonstrated ability during the 2023 season to stop the run, RMCs strong point.

Your logic would tell us that we will never know if Millsaps would win a notional game against UWW.  Based on the performance of the teams in 2023, I would rank UWW higher.

The entire process is subjective.

I gave you a reason why Trinity should be ranked higher.

jknezek

I really don't care about this argument but I think it's very easy to argue either team at this point. Personally, given how the tournament played out, I'd put R-MC ahead. But I could easily see a 10 game split being 5-5. Cortland had to play darn near a perfect game to beat NCC and they played as close to one, offensively, as I can imagine. The QB was ridiculous, the running game was enough. Do I think Cortland wins 5/10 from NCC? No. But they won the one that mattered.

Cortland beat RMC pretty easy, but NCC destroyed Trinity. That's enough for me to give the nod.

Congratulations to Cortland. Heck of an accomplishment. This argument is irrelevant but both Trinity and RMC had excellent seasons to be proud of.

Cowboy2

Quote from: Wild Horse Rider on December 13, 2023, 01:55:58 PM

And as far as settling the debate between Trinity and Randolph Macon I say each team selects one representative for a cage match.  Winner's team is the best in the region.  In either case I believe Friday night should be a fun one.

I'd just throw Harmel or Munoz out there like they did with Achilles back in the day. Would be quick and swift! Lol  ;D