FB: Region 3 fan poll

[Ralph Turner]

Perhaps, despite all the bashing that goes on, the Olympic's scoring/judging system has some good points to it:

Throw out the top score
Throw out the bottom score
Keep the rest.....

Like it.

Seeing the distribution is helpful for us fans to see how the ballots are cast.  Doing the Olympic thing does make sense.     Look at the spread among the Top 6 teams.  There is very little agreement as to who is how strong.  To put W&J at #8, you must slide Salisbury and Trinity above them.  If those two win this weekend, then that voter was prescient.  W&J's beating TMC, which may be their toughest opponent, will help shake out the South.  It would take a #8 vote switched to #3 to boost W&J's point total into a tie with HSU.

Team/First place votes	Pts	Votes	Spread
1)  Muhlenberg  (2)	44	.....1,1,2,3,4	....3
2)  UMHB  (1)	42	.....1,2,2,4,4	....3
3)  Millsaps (1)	41	.....1,2,3,3,5	....4
4)  Wesley  (1)	38	.....1,3,4,4,5	....4
5)  HSU	32	.....2,5,5,5,6	....4
6)  W&J	26	.....3,6,6,6,8	....5
7)  Salisbury	19	.....6,7,7,8,8	....2
8 )  Trinity	18	.....7,7,7,8,8	....1
9)  CNU	8	.....9,9,9,10,10	....1
10) Huntingdon	7	.....9,9,10,10,10	....1

[Bob.Gregg]

South Region Fan Poll  with Olympic scoring:


1)  Muhlenberg  1,1,2,3,4 -- Throw out 1, 4.  Leaves 27 pts.
T-2)  UMHB  1,2,2,4,4 -- Throw out 1, 4.  Leaves 25 pts.
T-2)  Millsaps 1,2,3,3,5 -- Throw out 1, 5.  Leaves 25 pts.
4)  Wesley  1,3,4,4,5 -- Throw out 1, 5.  Leaves 22 pts.
5)  HSU   2,5,5,5,6 -- Throw out 2, 6.  Leaves 18 pts.
6)  W&J  3,6,6,6,8 -- Throw out 3, 8.  Leaves 15 pts
T-7)  Salisbury 6,7,7,8,8 -- Throw out 6, 8.  Leaves 11 pts.
T-7)  Trinity 7,7,7,8,8 -- Throw out 7, 8.  Leaves 11 pts.
9)  CNU 9,9,9,10,10 -- Throw out 9, 10.  Leaves 5 pts.
10) Huntingdon 9,9,10,10,10 -- Throw out 9, 10.  4 pts.

[Ralph Turner]

+1 Bob!   

[SaintsFAN]

Perhaps, despite all the bashing that goes on, the Olympic's scoring/judging system has some good points to it:

Throw out the top score
Throw out the bottom score
Keep the rest.....

Like it.

Seeing the distribution is helpful for us fans to see how the ballots are cast.  Doing the Olympic thing does make sense.     Look at the spread among the Top 6 teams.  There is very little agreement as to who is how strong.  To put W&J at #8, you must slide Salisbury and Trinity above them.  If those two win this weekend, then that voter was prescient.  W&J's beating TMC, which may be their toughest opponent, will help shake out the South.  It would take a #8 vote switched to #3 to boost W&J's point total into a tie with HSU.

Team/First place votes	Pts	Votes	Spread
1)  Muhlenberg  (2)	44	.....1,1,2,3,4	....3
2)  UMHB  (1)	42	.....1,2,2,4,4	....3
3)  Millsaps (1)	41	.....1,2,3,3,5	....4
4)  Wesley  (1)	38	.....1,3,4,4,5	....4
5)  HSU	32	.....2,5,5,5,6	....4
6)  W&J	26	.....3,6,6,6,8	....5
7)  Salisbury	19	.....6,7,7,8,8	....2
8 )  Trinity	18	.....7,7,7,8,8	....1
9)  CNU	8	.....9,9,9,10,10	....1
10) Huntingdon	7	.....9,9,10,10,10	....1

Ralph,

Do you think W&J wins by a wide margin (like last year)?  It would be a big win for them and its also on the road... an overnight trip. 

I still think there are better teams out there with maybe 1 or 2 losses than Huntingdon.  No I'm not pushing for any team that I root for.  Thomas More needs to play their 600 lb Gorilla first in W&J this coming weekend.

[Ralph Turner]

Saints FAN,

Several points to address there...

This week's schedule sorts out many things.

TU-Millsaps -- the winner belongs in the top 3-4 of the Region;  the loser may be still stay in the Top10.

W&J -- A good win over TMC will help solidify them in the South.  W&J does well in the Pres AC, but poorly against teams from Texas and North Carolina.

Wesley/Salisbury splits that difference.

As for Huntingdon, I must give props to any team that is undefeated this late into the season.  Concede them a 9th or 10th place vote.

[SaintsFAN]

Ralph,

I agree.. this would be a good win for W&J... though I'm not ready to concede the PAC to them yet.  I think Thomas More is flying way under the radar (and prefer it that way). 

I can see your logic with the Huntingdon conversation... I just think they are going to be 'outed' in the next few weeks.  We're in week 7 and nary an opponent of theirs is over .500.  This will change with their final two weeks, however. 

[Ralph Turner]

Ralph,

I agree.. this would be a good win for W&J... though I'm not ready to concede the PAC to them yet.  I think Thomas More is flying way under the radar (and prefer it that way). 

I can see your logic with the Huntingdon conversation... I just think they are going to be 'outed' in the next few weeks.  We're in week 7 and nary an opponent of theirs is over .500.  This will change with their final two weeks, however. 

Huntingdon and LaGrange have beaten Maryville, and Maryville has a quality win over Centre which is in the middle of the SCAC.  Maryville should finish at 6-4/5-2.

Out on a limb...

I think that Huntingdon beats HSC.  HSC has not taken a road trip this far in modern history (as long as D3football.com has been around    ).  A Huntingdon/LaGrange game will have a mild "SEC type" flavor to the game for the SLIAC championship.  (SEC fans can transpose anything into a "big game".  Hmmm... I wonder about Huntingdon and LaGrange... where can they put something like "the swamp" or "between the hedges" on those 2 campuses.    )

[AF4]

Ralph Turner Said
A Huntingdon/LaGrange game will have a mild "SEC type" flavor to the game for the SLIAC championship.  (SEC fans can transpose anything into a "big game".  Hmmm...

that is true on so many levels...and it is already... last yr the LaGrange faithful had as big a tailgaitng as i have seen (and i went to the Stagg) a stage and bands

Huntingdon held up our end with tailgaiting also... a blast

SaintFAN said:
I can see your logic with the Huntingdon conversation... I just think they are going to be 'outed' in the next few weeks.  We're in week 7 and nary an opponent of theirs is over .500.  This will change with their final two weeks, however.

this is also true, LaGrange and Huntingdon have both gotten fat (to use a previous posters analogy) on the same teams,
they just accross the 'Hooch'... nice stadium...we are both in the SLIAC (football) and GSAC (all other sports)

HSC (not HSU per my previous mistake) beat Huntingdon fairly easily last yr (34-21) in Va.... we/Huntingdon will have to bring it all out to do the job

But Ralph... i like your prediction

yall keep the faith

[Pat Coleman]

HSC has not taken a road trip this far in modern history (as long as D3football.com has been around    ). 

Hampden-Sydney to Sewanee: 519 miles
Hampden-Sydney to Huntingdon: 632 miles

I think the extra two hours on top of the initial eight is probably not a big difference.

[AF4]

Pat Coleman

is that kinda like 1.7 decades vs 1 decade  ...uh.... of SCAC and Oglethorpe

keep the faith

[Bob.Gregg]

Regional Rankings vs. Fan Poll:

Regional Rankings--South
1. Muhlenberg 7-0 7-0
2. Millsaps 6-0 7-0
3. Washington and Jefferson 6-0 7-0
4. Trinity (Texas) 6-0 7-0
5. Mary Hardin-Baylor 5-0 6-1
6. Hardin-Simmons 7-1 7-1
7. Huntingdon 1-0 7-0
8. Catholic 5-1 6-1
9. Salisbury 2-0 7-1
10. Thomas More 6-1 6-1

Fan Poll--South
1)  Muhlenberg  (2)   44 .....1,1,2,3,4
2)  UMHB  (1)   42 .....1,2,2,4,4
3)  Millsaps (1)  41 .....1,2,3,3,5
4)  Wesley  (1)  38 .....1,3,4,4,5
5)  HSU   32 .....2,5,5,5,6
6)  W&J  26 .....3,6,6,6,8
7)  Salisbury 19 .....6,7,7,8,8
8 )  Trinity 18 .....7,7,7,8,8
9)  CNU 8 .....9,9,9,10,10
10) Huntingdon 7 .....9,9,10,10,10

Watch list:  Catholic, Ferrum, LaGrange

[wesleydad]

since i dont understand all the things that determine the ncaa regional rankings, how is wesley not in the top 10?  i am sure it has to do with the lack of games against regional d3 teams.  i hope that the canceled game at the start of the year against cnu does not stop them from making the playoffs.  they are certainly one of the top 15 teams in the country which would put them in the top 5 in the south, my guess.  this weekend will tell much against salisbury.

[SaintsFAN]

Thomas More's Regional record is wrong.  They lost to John Carroll University, an OAC Conference member from the North Region.

Unless I'm missing something.

[DPU3619]

Thomas More and John Carroll are in the same administrative region.  From Pat's FAQ about what denotes a regional game:

3) The teams are within the same NCAA administrative region. Those regions are defined below....

Region 3: Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, North Carolina, Ohio, Puerto Rico, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, West Virginia.

[Ron Boerger]

The NCAA should just lose the regional distinction.  I've never been sure why it's more important to play a local team that a team outside the increasingly loosely defined 'region'.

If it's a D3 opponent, it should count (exception:  provisionals).