FB: Region 3 fan poll

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Josh Bowerman

Couldn't agree more, Ron.  +1.
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SU Backer

 Wesleydad.....anyone that knows anything about D3 football knows Wesley is one of the elite in the south region....I'd be one that would like for you guys to be in the east region  ;), I know that Salisbury does not fear anyone on their schedule, but Wesley garners a heck of a lot of respect. I don't know much about why the in-region rankings are the way they are, but I don't being in the ACFC isn't hurting- SU is in the top 10 (unless you mean the difficulty in scheduling games caused by being in a 4 team conf.). I think it must be the out of region/non D3 games that kept Wesley out- it definitely isn't the quality of your team, 'cause y'all can play with anybody I've seen in this region, including the boys from Texas.

wesleydad

subacker, i agree, i think it is the other games that they had to play to have games.  the cnu game would have been a good one to have on the resume especially if it would have been a win.  always respected salisbury since my son started playing at wesley and i am looking forward to the game.  see you on saturday.

@d3jason

Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2008, 05:29:30 PM
The NCAA should just lose the regional distinction.  I've never been sure why it's more important to play a local team that a team outside the increasingly loosely defined 'region'.

If it's a D3 opponent, it should count (exception:  provisionals). 

I agree Ron, but its been like this for a while. The MAC ,the Centennial, the PAC, the ODAC, the USA South avoid playing Wesley and Salisbury like the plague for the most part. And its only going to get worse in the future. Widener would rather travel 4-5 hours across the state to play a PAC team then play Wesley who is an hour away.

These conferences all have a chance at an automatic bid but won't schedule a tough in region game non conference game. Lycoming and Wesle, had a contract was just about signed and in the mail to play next season. Then Lyco drops Wesley to play Rowan. If they don't want to play that's their choice. That's fine, but don't penalize good teams because others will not schedule them.

Based on how things are set up, a 10-0 Huntingdon team, and 8-2 LaGrange with one region loss but more regional wins could get in above a Wesley or Salisbury with one regional loss but fewer regional wins.

@d3jason

Well, I guess from looking a little more closely, that Huntingdon and LaGrange will only end up with a couple in region games because the teams in their conference aren't are not considered in region games. Huntingdon will have only three and LaGrange only two.

PA_wesleyfan

 The facts are that this happened to Wesley time and again. They have commitments and teams back out.  I understand that Del-Val had also committed and has expressed that they don't want to continue. I guess maybe the ACFC will have to play each other twice a year.
I know there are teams in the deep south and the north with open dates but how much can you spend on travel each year and how many long bus trips can you put your kids through??
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PA_wesleyfan

 And for those who keep telling us to join a conference. A year ago there was some talks that a conference was going to happen but the teams that had been  approached formed their own conference. But who knows what will happen when the E8 goes recuiting......The NJAC has been mentioned but with the roster restrictions it's not  a good fit.
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The Forgotten Man

Quote from: Conrad on October 29, 2008, 10:50:13 PM
Well, I guess from looking a little more closely, that Huntingdon and LaGrange will only end up with a couple in region games because the teams in their conference aren't are not considered in region games. Huntingdon will have only three and LaGrange only two.

Why don't the conference games count as "in-region" games?

According the FAQ on D3football.com they should.


Quote from: Conrad on October 29, 2008, 10:34:45 PM
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Based on how things are set up, a 10-0 Huntingdon team, and 8-2 LaGrange with one region loss but more regional wins could get in above a Wesley or Salisbury with one regional loss but fewer regional wins.

Let's not count LaGrange out just yet.  Oh and their only loss so far this year was a narrow one to a ranked NAIA team.
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AF4

nobody in montgomery is counting LaGrange out (or here in Waverly for that matter)...nobody i know

yall hung with a very good Shorter team (top 25 NAIA)...and have crushed everyone else

it would b nice for both SLIAC teams to get in

keep the faith
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The Forgotten Man

Quote from: AF4 on October 30, 2008, 10:07:35 AM
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it would b nice for both SLIAC teams to get in

keep the faith

It would be nice indeed. Both teams have come a long way in a short time. :)
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PA_wesleyfan

Conrad

Maybe we can get a long term contract with Bethany ;)
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Josh Bowerman

I know this is going to seem harsh, but...

You Wesley fans aren't going to get any sympathy from any of us in Texas.  I don't know what the reasons are that you seem to have trouble scheduling games (it's not because you're historically a powerhouse, because you really haven't been up until the last few years).  You're smack-dab in the middle of the biggest part of D-3 territory.  If you can't get games scheduled, how in the world do you think we in Texas get games scheduled?
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PA_wesleyfan

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Quote from: Josh Bowerman on October 30, 2008, 05:51:57 PM
I know this is going to seem harsh, but...

You Wesley fans aren't going to get any sympathy from any of us in Texas.  I don't know what the reasons are that you seem to have trouble scheduling games (it's not because you're historically a powerhouse, because you really haven't been up until the last few years).  You're smack-dab in the middle of the biggest part of D-3 territory.  If you can't get games scheduled, how in the world do you think we in Texas get games scheduled?

Josh

You are wrong!! Wesley has been beating on eastern and most of the Va. teams for a
number of years. Up until a few years ago if you didn't go undefeated you weren't a power. You have never had any respect for Wesley even after theyu beat your beloved  Texas team two years running.
And if you hgad read my previous posts you would  have read that I included Texas along with the western schools when I brought up scheduling problems for Wesley and Salisbury. Frostburg usually plays only nine games and they are beatable so teams opt for them i.e Ithaca this year..
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wesleydad

josh, you have my sympathy for not getting games.  pawesley is also correct, wesley has beaten plenty of teams in the area.  i have a general problem with teams that wont play other good teams when they have auto qualifiers.  i give all the credit in the world to cnu for taking the game with wesley, they at least are willing to play top level competition in non league games.  it is interesting to hear the join a conference charge, what conference would accept them, player limit aside, knowing that wesley would be a top contender right from the get go, taking the auto from lesser teams.

@d3jason

Quote from: Josh Bowerman on October 30, 2008, 05:51:57 PM
I know this is going to seem harsh, but...

You Wesley fans aren't going to get any sympathy from any of us in Texas.  I don't know what the reasons are that you seem to have trouble scheduling games (it's not because you're historically a powerhouse, because you really haven't been up until the last few years).  You're smack-dab in the middle of the biggest part of D-3 territory.  If you can't get games scheduled, how in the world do you think we in Texas get games scheduled?

Sounds like Wesley should be invited to play in the America Southwest.   :D :D  
(Maybe not a powerhouse, but Wesley has a similar winning percentage with Hardin-Simmons since 1991. 149-45 for HSU entering the season. Wesley 137-46. I know that they almost played to start the 2007 season.)

Your teams are in a conference with an automatic bid. Wesley & Salisbury are not. ASC teams have two non conference games to schedule. ACFC have to schedule seven.