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HSC85

K-Mack,

Thanks for addressing some of the confusing voting patterns in the Top 25.

gordonmann

#391
This was a very weird poll if you look at the margins.  Kean picks up 12 votes following a really nice win over TCNJ and last week's victory over Cortland State.  But Delaware Valley, who beat Kean at their place, loses nine votes.

PA_wesleyfan

 
I agree gordonmann. It appears that some voters are having trouble deciding which close teams should be above or below another and that  can shift points up or down a bit.. 
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Ryan Tipps

One interesting change this week: Another voter has picked UWW as the No. 1 team. That makes three people now.
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K-Mack

Quote from: Ryan Tipps on October 04, 2009, 10:56:48 PM
One interesting change this week: Another voter has picked UWW as the No. 1 team. That makes three people now.

Listen to the podcast. I have inside information that leads me to believe this will be a topic discussed.

Of course, some people I know don't have to switch their No. 1 votes because they already had UWW up top.
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Ryan Tipps

Quote from: K-Mack on October 05, 2009, 12:25:18 AM
Quote from: Ryan Tipps on October 04, 2009, 10:56:48 PM
One interesting change this week: Another voter has picked UWW as the No. 1 team. That makes three people now.

Listen to the podcast. I have inside information that leads me to believe this will be a topic discussed.

Of course, some people I know don't have to switch their No. 1 votes because they already had UWW up top.

How true that is :)
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redswarm81

Here's a thought:


  • No. 6 ranked 5-0 St. John's is 3 plays away from 2-3; while
  • 3-2 Bethel is only 2 plays away from 5-0.


If I were a voter who put St. John's and Wesley in the top ten, I'd have a heck of a time putting Bethel much lower than 11.
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HSC85

I agree redswarm81.

Ralph Turner

Week #6

North has 10 teams; West has 9.

South Region has 5 teams.  At #23, Del Valley is the only team out of the East.

HSC85

I am curious on any thoughts of ranking Centre over Hampden Sydney.  They have one common opponent in Sewanee and HSC beat them 51-7 in the rain on the road and Centre beat them 20 - 0 at home.  It seems that all the votes that Milsaps and Trinity were getting went to Centre. 

PA_wesleyfan

Quote from: HSC85 on October 11, 2009, 07:16:35 PM
I am curious on any thoughts of ranking Centre over Hampden Sydney.  They have one common opponent in Sewanee and HSC beat them 51-7 in the rain on the road and Centre beat them 20 - 0 at home.  It seems that all the votes that Milsaps and Trinity were getting went to Centre. 

HCS85

Depends on the voters. But conference strengths sway voters, owp and oowp will come into play once those stats are released. Pat or Keith would  be able to tell you how they go about the process. That's not to say other voters don't have other ideas on how they decide on teams strengths
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redswarm81

Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 11, 2009, 07:06:04 PM
Week #6

North has 10 teams; West has 9.

South Region has 5 teams.  At #23, Del Valley is the only team out of the East.

Ooh, I lost my bet on the East Region Fan Poll page.

Good thing nobody took me up on it.   :D
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Ralph Turner

Quote from: redswarm81 on October 11, 2009, 08:39:59 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 11, 2009, 07:06:04 PM
Week #6

North has 10 teams; West has 9.

South Region has 5 teams.  At #23, Del Valley is the only team out of the East.

Ooh, I lost my bet on the East Region Fan Poll page.

Good thing nobody took me up on it.   :D
Well, #23  Del Valley is only 25 votes above "26th".

K-Mack

Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on October 11, 2009, 08:11:03 PM
Quote from: HSC85 on October 11, 2009, 07:16:35 PM
I am curious on any thoughts of ranking Centre over Hampden Sydney.  They have one common opponent in Sewanee and HSC beat them 51-7 in the rain on the road and Centre beat them 20 - 0 at home.  It seems that all the votes that Milsaps and Trinity were getting went to Centre. 

HCS85

Depends on the voters. But conference strengths sway voters, owp and oowp will come into play once those stats are released. Pat or Keith would  be able to tell you how they go about the process. That's not to say other voters don't have other ideas on how they decide on teams strengths

With direct respect to Hampden-Sydney, I think I had them overranked the past few weeks and corrected for that. Still have them higher than Centre, but the correction was based on schedule to date.

Basically, Del Val has beaten 4-1 Johns Hopkins, 4-1 Kean and 4-1 Leb Val, with a loss to 5-0 Wesley. I was keeping Wabash, Case and W&J lower than most because they haven't played quite that challenging a schedule, but I'd let H-SC float up to 16 ... my judgement was that H-SC hadn't played nearly the schedule Del Val had, even adding E&H in there, and if they had, they might have a loss as well.

So I felt i had to rank Del Val ahead of the four teams I'd mentioned above, and that caused me to rearrange ... so even though H-SC and Case had maybe their best wins of the season, they didn't move up on my ballot because other resumes were looking better.

Other teams I had ranked, like Alfred, or not ranked, like Ithaca, I came away from Saturday looking okay. If Redlands would've finished it out, my poll would've held its ground well besides the Del Val rearrangement.
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redswarm81

Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 11, 2009, 09:26:10 PM
Quote from: redswarm81 on October 11, 2009, 08:39:59 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 11, 2009, 07:06:04 PM
Week #6

North has 10 teams; West has 9.

South Region has 5 teams.  At #23, Del Valley is the only team out of the East.

Ooh, I lost my bet on the East Region Fan Poll page.

Good thing nobody took me up on it.   :D
Well, #23  Del Valley is only 25 votes above "26th".

The bet I intended to make, but didn't make it to the window in time, went something like this:

Nos. 16, 19, 20, 21, and 22 lost.  I bet all will lose ground except no. 21 (Capital).

I didn't expect Capital to rise quite as many spots as it did, although I can see plenty of justification for its rise.  Here's a question to ponder, though: how many of nos. 2 through 15 could give Mount Union as good a game as Capital gave them?  (Cue Pat Coleman: "It's not who you lost to, . . . " :D )
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