TOP 25

smedindy · October 01, 2012, 03:49:14 PM

Way to dig this one out of the archives.

Pat, Keith and I tossed Otterbein vs. Heidelberg vs. B-W lightly around via Twitter and on the North Region Fan Poll. I'm more in on The 'Berg and less so Otterbein but that may be an over-reaction to my realization that I overvalued B-W greatly.

This season is going to take longer to settle down, I think.

Ralph Turner · October 01, 2012, 03:51:01 PM

Quote from: jknezek on October 01, 2012, 02:41:41 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 01, 2012, 02:03:04 PM
Trinity TX still receiving votes (2) is still weird They have two ugly losses.

I think we can consider those "historical respect" votes. I don't have any other way of rationalizing them.

My first historical respect vote goes to the Chicago Maroons, formerly coached by Amos Alonzo Stagg, and the team for Jay Berwanger, the Maroon running back who won the first Heisman.

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=jay+berwanger&view=detail&id=92ADA25F31D4C4658042612578E4D69F789C0F55&first=1

Ron Boerger · October 02, 2012, 02:43:48 PM

Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 01, 2012, 02:03:04 PM
Trinity TX still receiving votes (2) is still weird They have two ugly losses.

Even scarier was last week when the alma mater got 7 votes after the UMHB debacle.

Ralph Turner · December 16, 2012, 11:50:07 PM

What surprises me on the final Top25 is who gave UMHB a vote that was neither 2nd or 3rd?

At 587 points, UMHB can get 13 second place votes and 11 third place votes and one 4th place vote to reach 587 points. Also 14 seconds, 9 thirds and 2 fourths will give you 587 points.

Unbelievable!

For UST, 12 seconds, 11 thirds and 2 fourths will give you 585 points. I can see that line of reasoning as mentioned by Keith on the podcast. That lets you give two third-place votes to Wesley.

PA_wesleyfan · December 16, 2012, 11:59:16 PM

I have to agree with you Ralph. But voting has and always will be very subjective, as you well know. I can't say i disagree with the top 6 but after watching a number of games on the web this year I think the order may be not quite right.

Pat Coleman · December 17, 2012, 12:44:54 AM

Those are the combinations, Ralph. Someone voted MTU-UST-UWO-UMHB.

art76 · December 17, 2012, 08:20:44 AM

Pat and gang, I haven't been on the boards here that long - but does anyone do a post season analysis of all the teams in the nation? At the beginning of the year you guys do a pre-season analysis of all the teams, do you ever revisit those to list out movers and shakers? Just curious.

wesleydad · December 17, 2012, 10:14:40 AM

the final rankings look ok to me. did umhb play mount better? not sure, take away the 5 turnovers and how much does umhb score? st. thomas held mount to 28 points and played a pretty good game, but they did struggle on offense which umhb did not when given ops to score. having seen both teams play i think it would be a good game. I think any game between the top 6 would be good to see. Oshkosh beats Linfield so they should be ahead of them. Does wesley playing umhb tough put them above Linfield? It is all opinion and not hard to justify any of the placings to me. I am not sure North Central should be 7, think Elmhurst and Hobart showed better overall, but again just opinion. Nice thing is is that we got to see it play out on the field and it was very entertaining. looking forward to next year to see if those at the top will be able to stay there since there are some huge graduations on many of the teams.

Pat Coleman · December 17, 2012, 12:07:32 PM

North Central beat 8 on the road (with a flight included) and Elmhurst beat 10 on the road. Elmhurst played St. Thomas tougher than anyone who didn't win the national title. North Central beat Elmhurst handily in the regular season. That's the basic rundown of how they got in this order.

Desertraider · December 17, 2012, 01:05:11 PM

My question is with Widener. Sorry but getting it handed to you 72-17 (even by Mount) should drop you at least 5 in the polls. Not sure I get the slide down 1 spot to #10. As for Wesley - I figured they would be ahead of Linfield. 2 losses, sure but both close losses to UMHB.

Regardless - the poll looks good and hey thanks to a playoff at least we know who is #1. Great job guys.

02 Warhawk · December 17, 2012, 01:29:38 PM

I'm not sure what Whitewater did to deserve 9 votes. and I'm a UWW fan!!!!

Also, I'm glad to see MHB remain at the #2 spot. I don't think they did anything wrong in the tournament to be knocked down a spot or two.

Ralph Turner · December 17, 2012, 02:08:38 PM

Quote from: 02 Warhawk on December 17, 2012, 01:29:38 PM
I'm not sure what Whitewater did to deserve 9 votes. and I'm a UWW fan!!!!

Also, I'm glad to see MHB remain at the #2 spot. I don't think they did anything wrong in the tournament to be knocked down a spot or two.

WIAC bias! The same mindset that voted UWO ahead of UMHB!

02 Warhawk · December 17, 2012, 02:10:30 PM

Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2012, 02:08:38 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on December 17, 2012, 01:29:38 PM
I'm not sure what Whitewater did to deserve 9 votes. and I'm a UWW fan!!!!

Also, I'm glad to see MHB remain at the #2 spot. I don't think they did anything wrong in the tournament to be knocked down a spot or two.

WIAC bias! The same mindset that voted UWO ahead of UMHB!

That's just silliness

pumkinattack · December 17, 2012, 03:26:53 PM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 17, 2012, 12:07:32 PM
North Central beat 8 on the road (with a flight included) and Elmhurst beat 10 on the road. Elmhurst played St. Thomas tougher than anyone who didn't win the national title. North Central beat Elmhurst handily in the regular season. That's the basic rundown of how they got in this order.

But historically, early season games get discounted at the final pool from what I've seen. And the played them tougher argument also hasn't always held except vs. MUC (maybe UWW, but not a team that was predicted to lose by 2-3td's and did - good though they may have been).

In looking at seasons, I'd have a harder time with Bethel having jumped up as much as they have than some of the others. #7 to #10 or #11 you can move around generally behind the top 6. I would've probably bumped Platteville and Wittenberg up ahead of Bethel and Salisbury.

02 Warhawk · December 17, 2012, 03:33:53 PM

Quote from: pumkinattack on December 17, 2012, 03:26:53 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 17, 2012, 12:07:32 PM
North Central beat 8 on the road (with a flight included) and Elmhurst beat 10 on the road. Elmhurst played St. Thomas tougher than anyone who didn't win the national title. North Central beat Elmhurst handily in the regular season. That's the basic rundown of how they got in this order.

But historically, early season games get discounted at the final pool from what I've seen. And the played them tougher argument also hasn't always held except vs. MUC (maybe UWW, but not a team that was predicted to lose by 2-3td's and did - good though they may have been).

In looking at seasons, I'd have a harder time with Bethel having jumped up as much as they have than some of the others. #7 to #10 or #11 you can move around generally behind the top 6. I would've probably bumped Platteville and Wittenberg up ahead of Bethel and Salisbury.

My thoughts exactly on Bethel. I would definitely put Platteville ahead of them.

I know I'm in the minority here, but outside of St. Thomas, I didn't buy into the MIAC much this year.